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Dear all you guys base your argument on A370 but still cant say pros and cons of same for kashmiris ?
can i get ans ple
The thing is most Kashmiri either dont want it to scrape or not want to be part of Mainstream Indian State Until their is no solution to Kashmir issue according to UN.

Kashmir would become Better Economically but their would be influx of Indian people from other States inside Kashmir which Kashmiris dont want in Kashmir because this will going to kill any chance of UN Convention to be implemented there.
 
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all hail nationalist forces of Bharatiye Jumla Party for succesfully installing a Nationalist govt in Kashmir
 
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Of course...althought I do not like to hear from an Indian CM, but the fact is that Pakistan Gov is facilitating India and the peace in Kashmir since last 10 year..This is not happening because Pakistan would like to do it, rather Pakistan is just messed up with his own affair so much that it can not really afford to engage in another front war for at least another 15 year...So technically Mufti is right but the reason behind this support of Pakistan and his agent is to be told too...

BTW, i still feel that Hurriyat team expect that old guy Geelani is still a proxy created by RAW to just divide and rule in the Kahsmir insurgency team....So i do not even mind if GOI speaks to them....
Eat this.

No option other than talks with Pakistan: Mufti on Kashmir

Just like though pakistani like you have faith in pak army, still peshawar like incidents happen?
Likewise one could argue that Indian females are not safe travelling late night in the buses since Indians like you are incompetent to comprehend that it's not the job of the army to provide security to all the civilian establishments,
 
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Likewise one could argue that Indian females are not safe travelling late night in the buses since Indians like you are incompetent to comprehend that it's not the job of the army to provide security to all the civilian establishments,

Only if army is not tasked for so. Kashmir elections were tasked to army.
 
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Good, he has acknowledged the concerned parties with a stake in IOK.
He looks like a sympathetic towards Hurriyat and Pakistan. Maybe BJP Blackmailed him against Article 9 in J&K(Maybe) to lure him into alliance so that they can keep him in check but if he falls away from their hands then this might be biggest setback India can suffer in Kashmir Currentlys


Well he is trolling the Kashmiris.PDP talked a lot against BJP during the election campaign.Poor Kashmiris trusted him and voted for him.Now after the election he convinently forgot his promises to Kashmiris and shared power with BJP.
All these walkie talkues are a facing saving exercise of Mufti.
People having common sense can understand his politics.

If Kashmiris become part of India after plebiscite then no one will have problem, in fact you guys can also keep Pakistan kashmir if they want to become part of India. Pakistanis in ki taraf tukhe ghe bhi nai agher ye India ke pas jana chate hai. We are not like Indians. But problem remains that even pahari hindus in Jammy do not want to remove article 370.


But dardic people are under our Supreme Court and Parliament authority.So Pahari is not issue in there . :D
And a lot of mainland Indians already in there.

The thing is most Kashmiri either dont want it to scrape or not want to be part of Mainstream Indian State Until their is no solution to Kashmir issue according to UN.

Kashmir would become Better Economically but their would be influx of Indian people from other States inside Kashmir which Kashmiris dont want in Kashmir because this will going to kill any chance of UN Convention to be implemented there.


You already did that by allowing Pak Punjabis in Azad Kashmir .Right?So how can you question us in the name of UN.
 
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Well he is trolling the Kashmiris.PDP talked a lot against BJP during the election campaign.Poor Kashmiris trusted him and voted for him.Now after the election he convinently forgot his promises to Kashmiris and shared power with BJP.
All these walkie talkues are a facing saving exercise of Mufti.
People having common sense can understand his politics.
There is a comprise there and that Compromise is that BJP wont speak of scraping Article 370 in return they would form Govt. with BJP because BJP had won Majority in Jammu District which is majority Hindu part of Kashmir so their mandate is still there. Kashmiris understands that and they also voted PDP against BJP's wish to scrape Article 370 because they believe that India would try to change Kashmir Demographics if it Scrapes Article 370.

You already did that by allowing Pak Punjabis in Azad Kashmir .Right?So how can you question us in the name of UN.
If you are talking about Mirpuris then Mirpure was part of Kashmir Dogra Raj since 1843 I think. It was handed over by British through an agreement and its same as Jammu in Indian Controlled Kashmir even Kashur Speaking population doesnt make majority in Jammu as well which is happen to be Hindu Majority region there and their Punjabi is the Major Language so first get some Knowledge of your own Kashmir before making Excuses. On the other hand Pakistan Issue different CNIC Cards for Kashmir region then its other parts so they can be easily traced by CNICs.
 
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There is a comprise there and that Compromise is that BJP wont speak of scraping Article 370 in return they would form Govt. with BJP because BJP had won Majority in Jammu District which is majority Hindu part of Kashmir so their mandate is still there. Kashmiris understands that and they also voted PDP against BJP's wish to scrape Article 370 because they believe that India would try to change Kashmir Demographics if it Scrapes Article 370.

You should congratulate us for our decency .At least we still respect their intention to remain as limited independent .And we wont allow our Punjabis or others in there.Can you day same about Pak Punjabis in Azad Kashmir?
That is my friend the real difference between India and Pakistan.You simply encroached Kashmiris lands in the name of freedom and all ow overwhelming Pak Punjabis and others in there.

Kashmiris will came forus to remove the 370.
They cant remove 370 and we cant remove AFSPA .Fair deal.

There is a comprise there and that Compromise is that BJP wont speak of scraping Article 370 in return they would form Govt. with BJP because BJP had won Majority in Jammu District which is majority Hindu part of Kashmir so their mandate is still there. Kashmiris understands that and they also voted PDP against BJP's wish to scrape Article 370 because they believe that India would try to change Kashmir Demographics if it Scrapes Article 370.

If you are talking about Mirpuris then Mirpure was part of Kashmir Dogra Raj since 1843 I think. It was handed over by British through an agreement and its same as Jammu in Indian Controlled Kashmir even Kashur Speaking population doesnt make majority in Jammu as well which is happen to be Hindu Majority region there and their Punjabi is the Major Language so first get some Knowledge of your own Kashmir before making Excuses. On the other hand Pakistan Issue different CNIC Cards for Kashmir region then its other parts so they can be easily traced by CNICs.


So you are absolutely sure that there is no non kashmiris in Azad Kashmir ?Right?
 
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You should congratulate us for our decency .At least we still respect their intention to remain as limited independent .And we wont allow our Punjabis or others in there.Can you day same about Pak Punjabis in Azad Kashmir?
That is my friend the real difference between India and Pakistan.You simply encroached Kashmiris lands in the name of freedom and all ow overwhelming Pak Punjabis and others in there.

Kashmiris will came forus to remove the 370.
They cant remove 370 and we cant remove AFSPA .Fair deal.
There is no need of Congratulate India because their is a UN Convention which Binds India not Decency. The whole Indian projecting Soft Power Image of theirs to gain UNSC membership is all what India is interested in instead of Kashmiris and their wishes because this could create problem for India so spare me from that lesson and talking about not allowing Punjabis then they are already there in Jammu in Majority and Kashur Speaking Kashmiris are minority in Jammu so dont think that people are clueless of Indian Controlled Kashmir.
Yes there is difference between India and Pakistan and that difference is that Pakistan is committed to UN Resolution while India Makes Excuses to prevent it. Pakistani Punjabis never Encroached Kashmiri Lands they were there for long time ago. It was Dogra Raj that Encroached Mirpure land by agreement with British beck in 1843 I think. So They had been Party to this conflict for the long time just like Jammu People, Ladakhis, Gilgities and Balties along with Kashurs.

So you are absolutely sure that there is no non kashmiris in Azad Kashmir ?Right?
Kashur Speakers are in the North of AJK while Punjabis are in the South of AJK and since areas were part of Princely Kashmir State so they are Party to it just like Hindu Majority of Jammu which arent even Kashur Speaking instead Punjabis speaking like Mirpuris.
 
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There is no need of Congratulate India because their is a UN Convention which Binds India not Decency. The whole Indian projecting Soft Power Image of theirs to gain UNSC membership is all what India is interested in instead of Kashmiris and their wishes because this could create problem for India so spare me from that lesson and talking about not allowing Punjabis then they are already there in Jammu in Majority and Kashur Speaking Kashmiris are minority in Jammu so dont think that people are clueless of Indian Controlled Kashmir.
Yes there is difference between India and Pakistan and that difference is that Pakistan is committed to UN Resolution while India Makes Excuses to prevent it. Pakistani Punjabis never Encroached Kashmiri Lands they were there for long time ago. It was Dogra Raj that Encroached Mirpure land by agreement with British beck in 1843 I think. So They had been Party to this conflict for the long time just like Jammu People, Ladakhis, Gilgities and Balties along with Kashurs.

Kashur Speakers are in the North of AJK while Punjabis are in the South of AJK and since areas were part of Princely Kashmir State so they are Party to it just like Hindu Majority of Jammu which arent even Kashur Speaking instead Punjabis speaking like Mirpuris.


So who gaves the authority to Kashmiri Sunni Muslims to torture poor Pandits and other minorities in there?
And you gave a convinent excuse to circumvent my point.
But in Pak Punjabis are in AJK.So I am right .
We dont need and wont allow UN resolution .Not any more .
For us it will be Shimla Agreement .
 
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So who gaves the authority to Kashmiri Sunni Muslims to torture poor Pandits and other minorities in there?
And you gave a convinent excuse to circumvent my point.
But in Pak Punjabis are in AJK.So I am right .
We dont need and wont allow UN resolution .Not any more .
For us it will be Shimla Agreement .
Indian Govt. by Alleged Rigging in 1988 Election. That was the Fallout of Election Rigging in 1988 if you know the history clearly before that Kashmir was rather Peaceful and those Kashmiri Pundits were made Victims of something that Indian Govt. tried to do in Kashmir. Even many of those Kashmiri Pundits settled in Jammu Districts so they are still inside the Disputed Territory.
In Pakistan those Punjabis refereed as Mirpuris and in Indian Kashmir they are referred by people from Jammu and both areas are part of Disputed Territory like Ladakh and Gilgit. Even those Mirpuris were REMOVED from that Areas in 1960s due to Mangla Dam so now they dont even Reside there but are mostly in Britain.
If India wont allow it then Pakistan would use this issue against Indian UNSC Membership try to use its Influence against allowing India UNSC Membership. So all options are open for Pakistan its India which is not in Bargaining Position as Pakistan can Partner with China as well in Supporting their Arnuchal Pardesh claims in return for Chinese Supporting our Kashmir Claims.
 
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Well he is trolling the Kashmiris.PDP talked a lot against BJP during the election campaign.Poor Kashmiris trusted him and voted for him.Now after the election he convinently forgot his promises to Kashmiris and shared power with BJP.
All these walkie talkues are a facing saving exercise of Mufti.
People having common sense can understand his politics.

But dardickpeople are under our Supreme Court and Parliament authority.So Pahari is not issue in there . :D
And a lot of mainland Indians already in there.

You already did that by allowing Pak Punjabis in Azad Kashmir .Right?So how can you question us in the name of UN.

But they don't want shiva tong worshipping mallus like you in IoK, they want to remain Kashmiri muslims majority state :D
 
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But they don't want shiva tong worshipping mallus like you in IoK, they want to remain Kashmiri muslims majority state :D

Sorry.dude .It was dardic not dardick :D.
By the way who is this Pahari ?Harikiris brother :sarcastic:

Indian Govt. by Alleged Rigging in 1988 Election. That was the Fallout of Election Rigging in 1988 if you know the history clearly before that Kashmir was rather Peaceful and those Kashmiri Pundits were made Victims of something that Indian Govt. tried to do in Kashmir. Even many of those Kashmiri Pundits settled in Jammu Districts so they are still inside the Disputed Territory.
In Pakistan those Punjabis refereed as Mirpuris and in Indian Kashmir they are referred by people from Jammu and both areas are part of Disputed Territory like Ladakh and Gilgit. Even those Mirpuris were REMOVED from that Areas in 1960s due to Mangla Dam so now they dont even Reside there but are mostly in Britain.
If India wont allow it then Pakistan would use this issue against Indian UNSC Membership try to use its Influence against allowing India UNSC Membership. So all options are open for Pakistan its India which is not in Bargaining Position as Pakistan can Partner with China as well in Supporting their Arnuchal Pardesh claims in return for Chinese Supporting our Kashmir Claims.


You have a lot of lame excuses to justify their atrocities against Poor Pundits.
Do you actually you are in a position to stand against us internationally?This is not black and white world,this is not 70 and 80s.World has moved on.But Pakistanis is still in time warp.
FYI entire P5 already agreed with our membership in UNSC.It wont take any longer time.Your officials regularly visited US and other west nations and also UN in the name of Kashmir .What did they got? .Your PM cried about Kashmir in UN assembly and our PM didnt even mentioned about it.

Take it from here.You dont have any option against us .Even China would stay neutral if we strengthen our voice about our sovreignity.Just a symbolic visit of US President create a lot of concern in China.They did some tricks during UPA time.But now they are totally silent with zero tent making after our measures.
 
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You have a lot of lame excuses to justify their atrocities against Poor Pundits.
Do you actually you are in a position to stand against us internationally?This is not black and white world,this is not 70 and 80s.World has moved on.But Pakistanis is still in time warp.
FYI entire P5 already agreed with our membership in UNSC.It wont take any longer time.Your officials regularly visited US and other west nations and also UN in the name of Kashmir .What did they got? .Your PM cried about Kashmir in UN assembly and our PM didnt even mentioned about it.

Take it from here.You dont have any option against us .Even China would stay neutral if we strengthen our voice about our sovreignity.Just a symbolic visit of US President create a lot of concern in China.They did some tricks during UPA time.But now they are totally silent with zero tent making after our measures.
You asked me about Reason for Hardship of Kashmiri Pundits and I told you the reason. If you think its an excuse then Prove me otherwise because this whole Insurgency became a monster in 1988 and Kashmiri Pundits also faced Atrocities during this period as well.
There is a big difference between Agreement and Diplomatic Speeches that leaders give. If they were fully Agreed then this matter would have came to UN by now but the reality is P5 doesnt even want to Accommodate another member because there would be more Countries in the line who are even better then India would ask the same incentives for themselves. Our PM REMINDED the General Assembly about UN resolution and that was the purpose so that when your PM comes out and speak about India's UNSC membership prospect the UN Resolution would be there in Leader's mind before making any such Commitment.

If this is so then lets see want happen when Indian leader Say Tibet. India doesnt have any sovereignty over Kashmir because it is Internationally Recognized DISPUTE and even if India Strengthen their voice for their Sovereignty still wont going to effect because it is Internationally Recognized Conflict rather then Bilateral one. China is Far Ahead of India in terms of Defending themselves and India cant catch up China even if USA got involved because misrepresented Indian growth Figure doesnt make them capable of competing China.
 
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You asked me about Reason for Hardship of Kashmiri Pundits and I told you the reason. If you think its an excuse then Prove me otherwise because this whole Insurgency became a monster in 1988 and Kashmiri Pundits also faced Atrocities during this period as well.
There is a big difference between Agreement and Diplomatic Speeches that leaders give. If they were fully Agreed then this matter would have came to UN by now but the reality is P5 doesnt even want to Accommodate another member because there would be more Countries in the line who are even better then India would ask the same incentives for themselves. Our PM REMINDED the General Assembly about UN resolution and that was the purpose so that when your PM comes out and speak about India's UNSC membership prospect the UN Resolution would be there in Leader's mind before making any such Commitment.

If this is so then lets see want happen when Indian leader Say Tibet. India doesnt have any sovereignty over Kashmir because it is Internationally Recognized DISPUTE and even if India Strengthen their voice for their Sovereignty still wont going to effect because it is Internationally Recognized Conflict rather then Bilateral one. China is Far Ahead of India in terms of Defending themselves and India cant catch up China even if USA got involved because misrepresented Indian growth Figure doesnt make them capable of competing China.
Kashmiris Sunni muslims under the influence of jobless Mujahideens sponsored by you driven out Pundits from there own land @SarthakGanguly

Shall I post the self consolation articles of Chinese Think tanks andmedias in here?:D.
Dont know about other nation.But India is the only nation that were agreed by all P 5 for UNSC.A veto is not a big deal for us.But they will come here like they did for NSG waiver .We didnt ask it they came.

Dont be emotional.like this.Just wait and see how we will enter in the UNSC like we did during NSG waiver.China is far better than us.But they cant sacrifice their hard earned efforts by challenging us.
Take it from.here buddy.Pakistan is not a candidate to challenge us .Your illegalky acquired nukes are the only concern to us .Except that you are nothing.:D
 
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