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What are you talking about? I was there when Imran Hosein gave bayyah to Dr. Israr Ahmad. You can even open those tanzeemi lectures today in YouTube and find them. He joined Tanzeem and published books through them and they put him in charge of masjid and programs. One of his books is "Why Tanzeem e Islami?" Don't lie through your teeth.

I was there in Karachi as well, and yes he did give Bai'yah to Dr. Israr Ahmed. And yes at the time he believed that Tanzeem-e-Islami had something to offer when it came to him learning more from Dr. Israr Ahmed. And yes he did write a book on Tanzeem-e-Islami. But then, that's public knowledge, and I am not lying about him or anything else.

I knew Imran N Hosein personally for many years and if he saw me, he would tell you the same. I also remember when he refused to do Hifz and learn the basics of Islamic fiqh, as Dr. Israr wanted for him, and then he parted ways with him.

Imran Hosein studied at Aleemiyah Institute for Islamic Studies founded by his mentor, Dr. Fazlur Rahman Ansari. It was his mentor, a Pakistani Muslim Scholar, who made invited Imran Hosein to come to Karachi, Pakistan to study Islam. At Aleemiyah Institute, he studied Fiqh, and all the basics of Islam. It was Dr. Fazlur Rahman Ansari, not Dr. Israr Ahmed, who gave Imran Hosein the guidance and tools with which to understand the Holy Book. Imran Hosein is just a man, and like any man, he too changed his mind about being part of Tanzeem-e-Islami.

I respected this man and read all his books, then somehow around mid 2000s he became unstable and started making takfir against Pakistan and Turkey. I lost all respect for this charlatan.

You can talk all you want, hate all you want, but the fact still remains, Imran Hosein is just a man. The fact that he has dedicated his life for Islam, sacrificed everything for Islam, doesn't make him any less of a true scholar of Islam in the eyes of a true Muslim. Imran Hosein taught, what Dr. Fazlur Rahman Ansari has taught, that allegiance is only to Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah, not any group, kingdom, country or cult. I personally don't care what you think about Imran Hosein, but I will set the records straight, that Imran Hosein does NOT hate Pakistan. His wife, his children ARE Pakistani and he has enormous amount of love for Pakistan. His anger is toward the sell-outs who worship "Green Card" and are hand picked to lead Pakistan. As the world and Pakistanis have witnessed, these leaders have only lined their pockets and destroyed Pakistan.

You are, just like your teacher, severely misguided. Ignoring all the violence done against innocent Syrians and Iraqis by Iranian proxies, Shia regime in Iraq, and Assad death squads.

What planet have you been living on? The Sunni-Shia conflict has been raging for over a thousand years. Have no intellect to understand that it is this Sunni-Shia divide that the Zionists have exploited time and again. The Saba'een of Baghdad, Khaibar tribe that resided near Yathrib in the Rashidun period, and that was in the blessed days of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam. In the last 150 years, the Zionists have exploited the Sunni-Shia divide in the Hejaz, in Iran with Pahlavi, in Afghanistan with the Northern Alliance (Shia), in Iraq where the power was held by Sunni Minority in a Shia majority population, in Syria where power is held by Shia minority in a Sunni majority population.

Please don't give me this kindergarten, childish cry about death squads. Because if there are Assad death squads, then there is also the psychotic Nusra Front terrorist murderers whom your beloved Turkey protects. As a Muslim Pakistani, I don't give a r@ts-@$$ about your benevolent Turkey. What I do care about is Islam and my Pakistan. And I will most certainly will call out those jackals in sheep skins, to make Pakistan aware of the dirty game they play. I will most certainly tell Pakistanis that Syria, Iran's Zealot Mullahs, Turkey Ottomania, Saudi regime are all in it for their own vested interest. They are all jackals, they are all misguided. Because if they were even 1% true Muslims, then they would know that the true enemy is israel.

To you these open villains, rapists, and murderers are heroes, while you are spouting venom against only Turkey.

I am beginning to doubt that you're even Pakistani. If you are so in love with Turkey, then go live there and leave us Pakistanis alone. The only one here who is obsessed Imran Hosein and Turkey, spewing utter garbage, is you.

We all know the cancer starts at the source, it is Imran N Hosein, who has become a deviant and a puppet of Russia and India. So strongly does he believe that apologizing and giving up Muslim land to these Kuffar will appease them. Tell me, are Kashmiris fine with Indian rule?

Pardon me? I was correct, you are living on a different planet. A puppet of India you say, eh? Trinidad (where Imran Hosein lives) has a dominant Indian origin presence (indentured labor brought to the Caribbean Island by india's master, Britain, over a 100 years ago). This dominant indian origin population of Trinidad is has brought a predominantly hindu government in the country. Both of whom, hate Imran Hosein and have tried (unsuccessfully) to prosecute him on made up charges. If Imran Hosein was such an Indian puppet, he wouldn't have had fight countless court battles to defend himself.

As for "apologizing", tell me, what is one of the fundamental principles of the Holy Prophet Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam? Isn't it humility, being humble? Isn't it being just? Isn't it forgiving your enemies and standing for the truth?

And then there is your ridiculous comment about "appeasement". In the context of Islam, what the Ottomans did was not Islamic and not the Sunnah of Nabi Alahi Salaat-u-Wassalam. Ottomans turned Hagia Sofia, which is the center and symbol of Orthodox Christianity. Hazrat Umar Radi-Allah ta'aalah anho did not even pray in the Christian Church on invitation of the Patriarch in Jerusalem, in caution of some future Muslim Caliph converting the Church into a Masjid just because Hazrat Umar Radi-Allah ta'aalah anho prayed there. That's the difference between a real Muslim (Hazrat Umar Radi-Allah ta'aalah anho) and misguided fools like the Ottomans.

Also look no further than Afghanistan to see the proxy wars which Iran is doing against them and Pakistan, promoting Ghani and Abdullah 2. Attacking Pakistani border installations in cohesion, following Indian designs. Before Chahbahar and Kulbushan Yadav, even before Feb 27, I could give Iran a break, but no more. These are bloodthirsty enemies of Islam

Spare me your nonsensical, incoherent blabber, please. This "Iran did this" or "Shias did that" or "Death Squad" blah, blah, blah. Scaremongering is the trait of a coward and a weasel. Anyone with any sense at all knows what Iran did and is still doing. But people like you spin it to further your own agenda. Makes you no different than Iran. It's what Saudis did when they planted Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan to spread the venom of Wahhabi-Salafi lunatics. Turns out, Osama was trained and handled by the CIA. And look at what that brought us? Today Turkey does the same in Syria, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out comes next. And then the buffoons want Pakistan to go join Turkey in Syria? The same buffoons wanted Pakistan to go join Saudi regime's war in Yemen. The hilarity of this is how misguided and utter fools some people really are. With their obsession, whether it be the saudis with Iran, or ottomaniac turks with Syria, it's all the same bull$hit recycled over and over again.

I tell Pakistani Muslims that Pakistan should not involve itself with any wars perpetrated by Iran, Turkey, Syria, Saudi-Regime, Egypt or Culandia for that matter. I tell Pakistani Muslims that Pakistan's only war ought to be the liberation of the Holy Land and that the real enemy is israel. I tell Pakistanis that these jackals in Riyadh, Abu Dhabi, Doha, Tehran, Cairo and Ankara are only serving their own interests and like a bunch of confounded j@ck@$$es, they knowingly or inadvertently, benefit israel with their baboon equivalent foreign policies and wars against each other.

The whole of your countrymen and Turks also have disowned this dangerous puppet of Kuffar (and his mu'mineen orthodox christians and mujahideen of Russia/Constantinople, lol.) Time you learn to have some patriotism for your state and some loyalty for Muslims throughout the world.

You know, I find it amusing, how easy it is to read right through your gibberish. But, no thank you, you can keep your absurd yet hilarious tirade to yourself. Where as I would do as any sane, sensible Muslim ought to do, study the Qur'an and follow my beloved Nabi, Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam. Patriotism brought you thinking other than a nation which licks the ground that bollywood celebrities walk on. And loyalty is only to Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah, not Turkey, not Imran Hosein and most certainly not to your parroted tirade of "Turkiye 'stan"!!!!
 
Turkish army has only been doing the latter for decades and hasn't got the experience of a proper war.
Funny as this was said many times.

- Like when Turkey entered the Korean war, people were saying Turkey had no experience since the WW1.
- When Turkey invaded Cyprus, people were saying Turkey had no experience since the Korean war and have no experience for an overseas invasion since centuries.
- After the coup people were saying TuAF become useless since the pilot purges.

All proven wrong, but there will be always some random people in the internet who will say "Turkey is weak and have no experience".
 
Funny as this was said many times.

- Like when Turkey entered the Korean war, people were saying Turkey had no experience since the WW1.
- When Turkey invaded Cyprus, people were saying Turkey had no experience since the Korean war and have no experience for an overseas invasion since centuries.
- After the coup people were saying TuAF become useless since the pilot purges.

All proven wrong, but there will be always some random people in the internet who will say "Turkey is weak and have no experience".

I suspect fighting the Russians & Iranians might be more of a challenge than taking on the Cypriots and their pea shooters.

So far Turkey has proven to be completely inept in tactics. Plenty of nice toys, but nothing to show for it other than a few videos of snackbars by militia who won the great victory of capturing a bombed out house.

The fact that Erdogan is desperately trying to get a meeting with Putin and Putin hasn't even responded, tells us all we need to know about who is in control and who is panicking.
 
I suspect fighting the Russians & Iranians might be more of a challenge than taking on the Cypriots and their pea shooters.
First of all i doubt, you know anything about the Greek Cypriot Forces in 1970s and the complexity of an Amphibious assault. So, i will leave a nice video for educational purpose.

So far Turkey has proven to be completely inept in tactics. Plenty of nice toys, but nothing to show for it other than a few videos of snackbars by militia who won the great victory of capturing a bombed out house.
It's not called tactics but strategy. Current strategy of Erdogan is (i generally prefer saying Erdogan instead of Turkey as whole decision making relies on Erdogan nowadays) to make SAA forces retreat without a confrontation with Russian forces. We have still not seen Turkish army in action.

The fact that Erdogan is desperately trying to get a meeting with Putin and Putin hasn't even responded, tells us all we need to know about who is in control and who is panicking.
No need dramatize the current situation. As, i said earlier Erdogan tries not to get in a confrontation with Russia.

*** I'm not defending Erdogan's actions or anything like that. Just giving my opinion.
 
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Russia should get the f**k out of Syria, Turkey restoring order to Syria is the best thing for Syrian people, these commie pigs and persian terrorists have already spilled rivers of blood there.
 


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No Pakistani but a sectarian whore of Iran will support Russio/Iranian terrorism rather than Turkey, a nation that has always stood by us.
 
Wow. Russia has basically told Turkey it's either all out war or Turkey retreats.

Putin earlier ignored Erdogan's calls for a meeting. This was Putin's response. Devastating.

RIP to the Turkish soldiers. I can't believe Russia went this far.
 

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