Huawei founder: US crackdown will cost the company $30 billion, 40% drop in overseas smartphone sale

[nahtanbob]

Looks like US legalise stealing. Talking about thieves, US is sure one.


Pls dont compare SK Samsung to China. China smartphone market is doing well without Goggle. So I do not know how the OS will not survive? China is the biggest smartphone market for all Chinese smartphone maker. Huawei OS will survive even it will not achieve much success overboard. In fact, it is an undersatement.

While that cant be say for SK Samsung. They need to export to survive. That is why their OS failed. China is a different ball game. It has huge market to dictate market trend.

Look what is talking about stealing

Regardless, it is up to a court of law to decide whether Huawei did steal or not and what the punishment should be if guilty.

Imagine if all the world company go to their gov't for punishment on IP dispute, it would be chaos!!

Anyway, I google and found this,

Qualcomm says it has evidence Apple stole its source code, gave it to Intel - 9to5Mac​

Qualcomm gave its source code to Apple
Cisco never gave its source code to Huawei

you would not know the difference

 

[JSCh]

Qualcomm gave its source code to Apple
Cisco never gave its source code to Huawei

you would not know the difference

Well, then maybe you should convince Qualcomm on behalf of Apple, then Qualcomm might believe you LOL. Apparently stealing for you mean different thing from the rest of the world.

Qualcomm's statement publicly called it stealing and more, from the article,

Although discovery is ongoing, it is clear that Apple’s conduct went far beyond simply breaching the contract originally sued on. Indeed, it is now apparent Apple engaged in a years-long campaign of false promises, stealth and subterfuge designed to steal Qualcomm’s confidential information and trade secrets for the purpose of improving the performance of lower-quality modem chipsets, with the ultimate goal of eliminating Qualcomm’s Apple-based business.​

 

[nahtanbob]

Well, then maybe you should convince Qualcomm on behalf of Apple, then Qualcomm might believe you LOL. Apparently stealing for you mean different thing from the rest of the world.

Qualcomm's statement publicly called it stealing and more, from the article,

Although discovery is ongoing, it is clear that Apple’s conduct went far beyond simply breaching the contract originally sued on. Indeed, it is now apparent Apple engaged in a years-long campaign of false promises, stealth and subterfuge designed to steal Qualcomm’s confidential information and trade secrets for the purpose of improving the performance of lower-quality modem chipsets, with the ultimate goal of eliminating Qualcomm’s Apple-based business.​

The only way Apple has Qualcomm source code is that Qualcomm gave it to them

 

[My-Analogous]

China is one of the largest smartphone markets and this is where Apple/Samsung will lose big. Not just that, Google can block Huawei access to Play Store, however if the Huawei OS is compatible with Android, as it is said to be, Huawei can simply allow Android App Developers to host their Apps on Huawei Play Store.........and the developers would gladly do that. At the end of the day, it is trade that loses and many many American companies, not just Huawei. Worst for the US, if Huawei is able to pull off a coup and establish a fully functional alternative to Google Play Store then it would be game over for US blackmail.

US is no longer trust able and if Samsung switch from google to Chinese OS then end of android

 

[lcloo]

Android's rise to popularity was from 2010. Before that IOS, Symbian and Blackberry OS were the main OS for hand phones. Incidentally, Android's rise was in parallel with explosive increase in smartphone users in China, therefore Chinese smartphone users contributed much to Android's rise.

Today nearly a third of world's smartphone users are in China, and majority of them used Android and less than 10% (Quarter 1 2019 iPhone sale in China is 7.4%) are using IOS. Thus the worry by Google on a new competition from Oak OS is very real, if 40% of global Android OS users (i.e. Chinese users) switch to Oak OS, Google's bottom line will get hit badly.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Looks like US legalise stealing. Talking about thieves, US is sure one.


Pls dont compare SK Samsung to China. China smartphone market is doing well without Goggle. So I do not know how the OS will not survive? China is the biggest smartphone market for all Chinese smartphone maker. Huawei OS will survive even it will not achieve much success overboard. In fact, it is an undersatement.

While that cant be say for SK Samsung. They need to export to survive. That is why their OS failed. China is a different ball game. It has huge market to dictate market trend.

Never said, it will not work in CN market... But if it's how you wish to expend a brand by keeping it only/ mostly inside the country is... in my opinion... not the right Biz plan...
And will end up irrelevant in that specific division (phones) and will be overtaken by other Local brands like 1+ or Huawei (who are staying Global)

 

[TheTruth]

China is not yet in a position to fight back! It is a premature fight from Chinese viewpoint

You would be wise to ease off tensions with US, find a solution. Trump has already said that he'll ease off sanctions on Huawei as part of a deal.

I don't think so street shitter. China could drop Apple's revenue to ZERO tomorrow.

 

[Globenim]

biz practice is a universal code... that EVERY country do... Including the US and CHINA...

Exercising political pressure and blackmailing bystanding countries to join a gang of bullies, harrassing innocent companies on obviously fradulent pretenses, is absolutely not something "every" country does.
Running vicious slander campaigns to harrass and harm innocent foreign individuals, companies and entire industries with endless repetition and fabrication of the most blatant lies, the most absurd hoaxes and onesided tales pumped out on an industrial scale from top to bottom of all government to "non-government" institutions, leaving not one opportunity and moment spared to push the agenda in decades, raining down propaganda faster than anyone could even stomache the number of their corrections and retractions no one ever reads alone or ever fully dissect and question, all while crying victim over fictional barricades and imbalances only projecting over real ones they themself have been broadly and arbitrarily enforcing for decades and every minor lawful barrier that prevents their predatory practices still paling compared to their own, are absolutely not something every country does.

In fact there are hardly any countries that even possess all the infrastructure and the culture to employ such an industrial scaled lying aperatus for archaic bullying tactics, never mind the biggest espionage and information theft network in the world, leave alone are willing to do it like the U.S.A. China certainly not one of them, where even mouthpieces like the Washington Post are still naively treated as legitimate but just illinformed jounalists.

Now, Apple and Google have little chance to fall in the coming future, let's be honest with both of us...

As "little chance" as Apple sales tanking and Google financially stagnating for more than a year, right? Oh wait... guess the lack of sour grapes spamming 50 threads with hyperbolic headlines about it on a daily basis, quickly memoryholed that one. Blurting out reality detached and unsubstantiatable wishfull thinking like some informed opinions, may be honest from you, but that makes it not one bit true.

But I guess we both know there is a good chance for Apple to continue bleeding in the smartphone business, Huawei stuttering under an foreign attack or not, and that is actually something absolutely not difficult to believe with Apple so transparently falling out of fashion.

and as of Apple, compared to the World CN is a small part

Its kind of hillarious though to see losing as much as a fifth of its market quickly turns into a "small" non-issue when we are talking about an American company, but just ceasing to grow at that rate for a year or another spells disaster for any Chinese company and puts its survival into "question". Can you be any more transparent?

Google have almost nothing in CN market, where Google only ''Trace'' is Android.

Now lets not go full fantasy land. This "Android ecosystem" isn't something that just somethting Googles penned up and it doesnt just stand there like some ountouchable metaphorical achievement they just had to work hard for once. Google has to maintain the same kind of "ecosystem" that bitter grapes parotting onsided talking points keeps blurping on about, as Huawei will have to create.

And guess what? China as a whole is the second biggest contributor to that very legally "Google owned" but not Google only sustained ecosystem you keep blurting on about. From enduser, software developer, to Huwaei itself becoming the largest promoter of the platform in the upper price segment over its competition (namely Apple OS today and Huawei itself tomorrow) only after Samsung and simultaneously pushing it ahead on new lower segment markets Huawei is pioneering and, it goes on, directly massively contributing into its maintenance and improvements. Thats a very substantial "almost nothing" their "ecosystem" might lose out on.

Sure. in rethoric fantasy land, its always Company China that relies on Company America and one wink from America and Company China alone has to hopelessly weather all consequences. One step closer to reality it is Google that relies on Huaweis leadership and penetration of new markets for a significant share of its global relevance on a macro scale and even availability and quality of their services on a smaller. And yet even that is still just playing out in another vaccum where the Chinese government never counters the interference of the U.S.. Kinda like this "easy tradewar" played out after years of similar rethoric.

At the end the entire "ecosystem" talking point is nothing but thinly veiled and thinly threaded bad faith argueing with hardly as much substance behind it as is implied. Huawei has to create its own "ecosytem"? Well yes captain obvious, and? Anyone can argue away the plausibility of the success of TicToc, Android and Google itself with that. Guess what else?A brand known for the best available premium smartphones in the world. Its really just a vapid and pretentious point to make.
A healthy "ecosystem" is a goal or premise of sustained success. What does that say about the challenges an enterpreneur has to deal with and the enterpreneur himself? That is vital. Huawei has its own and very unique situation to deal with, with all benefits and constraints. Huawei is an established giant and their smartphones not some niche products. Huawei has the economics of scale on its side trough with its core market alone. Huawei's core market is protected from the same political motivated favourism that other foreign companies wasted their efforts on in the U.S.. Huawei is well connected with some of biggest App developers in the world and their cooperation unbarred. Huawei never even relied on customers from the biggest market for those services that may become less convenient to access which the U.S. media is fueling panic about. Huawei is a big player on a market that has sans the Google Store and Android itself hardly any penetration by these "missing" Google Services since Google abondoned the market for what we can only speculate to be pressure from the U.S. homeland. Huawei is the company who doesnt even calculate with declining revenues but only temporarily impeeded growth after all these attacks. Not all these "challenges" will even hinder, but benefit the efforts. Huawei wont have to decide between the readily available Android OS and benefits of a proprietary OS like iOS anymore. Their lower management wont have to press upper management for every penny and pile up risk assessments to justify an alternative OS project on skelleton budget and lower priority while their executives only have eyes for "that readily available solution" if they want to stay in the smartphone business or deal with treatment as some flavour of the month PR gag to . We could go on but the picture is clear. To even utter Blackberry or Microsoft

 

[j20blackdragon]

Gmail, Google Maps and YouTube (or any other website) can be accessed through a web browser. You don't need the apps.

Facebook isn't blocking Huawei users from using its apps, it's only preventing Huawei from pre-installing the apps on new phones. Download Instagram and WhatsApp yourself from Huawei's AppGallery.

This Huawei ban became toothless the moment TSMC and Samsung refused to participate.

 

[JSCh]

The only way Apple has Qualcomm source code is that Qualcomm gave it to them

You speak as though you know that for sure. But reading what Qualcomm said, about "years-long campaign of false promises, stealth and subterfuge designed to steal", I would not be so sure. Anyway, it is still stealing !!