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Huawei founder: US crackdown will cost the company $30 billion, 40% drop in overseas smartphone sale

He also said the company would fully recover by 2021.
The crackdown on Huawei by the United States is bad for Huawei in the short term and good in the long run.
Ren said a lot, but the US media only selected a very small part of what he said.

In addition, no one seems to care that Samsung's profit fell 60.2% in the first quarter of this year.

This trade war is about the emergence and independence of China. Either way, China wins. China will never forgive or forget that sheer hatred of the Chinese people by Washington thugs and criminals.
 
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China is not yet in a position to fight back! It is a premature fight from Chinese viewpoint

You would be wise to ease off tensions with US, find a solution. Trump has already said that he'll ease off sanctions on Huawei as part of a deal.
Trying to bluff Eh?

Here is something for you to ponder,

Doomsday is for certain people of Abrahmic believe,

China is the phoenix that always rise from the ashes.
 
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This is price of freedom.I think huawei should drop prices of its product even if they are required to sale it for cost incurred without taking any profit.This will damage u.s products demand which have high price and huawei will get greater market share

Agree!

Especially since they want to popularized their new OS.

P30 for usd 500.

Folded phone for usd 800.
 
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In the short term, the trade war will damage Huawei's telecom business. However, in the long run the move will damage Alphabet (particularly Google) and other US companies more, once Huawei introduces homegrown OS with apps that cater to the larger Chinese market. In addition, if Huawei OS is good enough and supports Android apps with Google/Badeui maps etc., Huawei will recover very quickly.

Why would Google put its apps on Huawei's OS ? Google does not have access to Chinese market anyway

The CEO, Ren said he is surprise by US taking such extreme measure against Huawei.

I think it is a surprise to everyone that a powerful gov't would go to such length to punish a private company, while wasn't even able to clearly articulate and proven what said private company did wrong.

A Goliath acting like a bully, it is conduct unbecoming of a superpower.

Anyway, below is what Ren said.

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Key quotes from the discussion with Huawei CEO and U.S. tech gurus
By Zhou Minxi, Yu Jing

In a wide-ranging discussion held at the company’s Shenzhen headquarters, Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei, together with two American technical gurus, George Gilder and Nicholas Negroponte, addressed some of the most pressing issues facing Huawei and society.

Below are some of the key quotes from the discussion. The three discussed issues ranging from how Huawei will deal with the U.S. trade ban to security concerns about Huawei’s 5G network. The two technological gurus also provided their insights on what society will look like in the age of AI and blockchain technology.

On disruption to Huawei's supply chain:

Ren Zhengfei:

"It didn't occur to us that the U.S. government is so determined to take extreme measures against Huawei. It didn't occur to us that they would take such a wide range of measures to restrict Huawei. But we believe these restrictive measures would not stop our way."

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Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei, screenshot from CGTN Live

On Huawei's future:

Ren Zhengfei:

"In the next two years, we will reduce our capacity. Our revenue will be down by about 30 billion U.S. dollars. So our sales revenue this year and next will be about 100 billion dollars. By 2020 we may regain our growth momentum to contribute more to human society."

"In the next five years, we are going to invest 100 billion U.S. dollars to reshape the network architecture so that the network will be simpler, faster, and most trustworthy."

"If we have some financial challenge, we would not reduce our research and development investment. We would reinvent ourselves to contribute to human society."

"We would not have spinoff or sale. We might shrink our size. And we can reallocate our people from non-core business to core business. Huawei would not reduce our headcount substantially, but business consolidation has been ongoing."

On Huawei's 'Sputnik moment':

Nicholas Negroponte:

"As a teenager I experienced Sputnik. It's very interesting because Sputnik caused the United States to do things that it wasn't already doing, so this is your Sputnik moment. What the United States has done created Huawei's Sputnik. You are going to wake up and do things and there is no going back."

"I saw again in the 1980s with Japan. There was a whole period when Japan was this enemy, and we were not supposed to collaborate. Now we are going through a Japan moment in China. And I hope that plays itself out."

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Nicholas Negroponte, co-founder of MIT Media Lab, screenshot from CGTN Live

On backdoors:

Nicholas Negropronte:

"Our president has said publicly that he would reconsider Huawei if we can make a trade deal, so clearly it is not about national security, because we don't trade national security."

Ren Zhengfei:

"[There is] 100 percent no backdoor in Huawei equipment. We can sign no backdoor agreements with all governments that are willing to enter into this. Why don't they sign with Huawei first? They can take Huawei as an example of negotiating with others (equipment providers)."

On technological Cold War and China-U.S. decoupling:

George Gilder:

"It's the United States that will suffer from any efforts to "decouple"… What we see here in historic terms, is merely the incumbent established technology power, the United States, challenged by an ascendant power, China. And we are trying to beat them back. That's a terrible, suicidal mistake for the U.S. to make. So I'm being pro-American when I say, America has got to deal with Huawei and with the existence of challengers around the world."

"It's false [to think] that the U.S. is in an impregnable position that it doesn't have to collaborate with China and other countries around the world. It is an illusion from years gone by. And we have to get over it if we are going to accept the challenges of the future and accomplish the goals we have."

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Futurist and economist George Gilder, screenshot from CGTN Live

Nicholas Negropronte:

"If you look at the media lab, it's 60 percent foreign students. So when people say, wait a minute, you are training our competition. No. We are elevating the whole world."

"It is so old-fashioned to think that when you have something then I don't. Unfortunately President Trump thinks that way. He doesn't think in a way that we can both have it, and we can elevate it and go up."

Huawei is always been in the cross hairs. I never knew why

Huawei has a checkered history
https://www.lightreading.com/ethernet-ip/huawei-cisco-code-is-gone/d/d-id/590745
 
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Huawei is always been in the cross hairs. I never knew why

Huawei has a checkered history
https://www.lightreading.com/ethernet-ip/huawei-cisco-code-is-gone/d/d-id/590745
I think every single high technology firm of note in the world, would be considered to have a checkered history, if involvement in IP dispute is a requirement.

And if you are suggesting US gov't punish Huawei because of a decade old case that has been settled in a court of law, then I think US gov't has violated what is called "rule of law".
 
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I think every single high technology firm of note in the world, would be considered to have a checkered history, if involvement in IP dispute is a requirement.

And if you are suggesting US gov't punish Huawei because of a decade old case that has been settled in a court of law, then I think US gov't has violated what is called "rule of law".

stealing source code is not something a lot of firms do
 
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This is just he beginning. Actual loss is >$100B he is just trying to appease investors.

Worst part is that if Trump really put the pressure, all EU 5G contracts will be cancelled, no one want to have any business with Huawei, under these circumstances. This is literally the death of Huawei.
Huawei is a private company. Who do it need to please? It is free to make long term decision rather than short term short sighted moves that promise dividend only for that year.

Google have almost nothing in CN market, where Google only ''Trace'' is Android.

You forgot Huawei exported hundred million of smartphone worldwide using Android OS. Google is losing that money from the ban. The worst is Hongmeng OS is also tested by Chinese rival smartphone marker like Oppo, xiaomi. The world smartphone market is dominated by Chinese marker. No doubt about that. If they all migrated to HongMeng OS and Google loses the loyalty fee for their. How much will Google lose? On top of that, they create a monster competitor.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-estimates-google-lost-revenue-huawei-ban-2019-5/?IR=T

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdof...ting-huaweis-faster-android-os-report-claims/
 
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All these incomprehensive comments about miss forecast sales of $30 billion growth as if Huawei's sale will drop by $30 billion is hilarious.

Fact is: The CEO meant is that Huawei will miss the $30 billion FORECAST REVENUE GROWTH.

in 2018 Huawei's revenue was $105 billion. They forecasted sales for 2019 and 2020 will grow to $130 billion.

So with the expected loss of $30 billion revenue growth, Huawei's expected revenue will be remained as at 2018 level, i.e. about $100 billion each year for 2019 and 2020. In short no net growth is expected.

On the other side of the Pacific, we will see similar forecast in many tech companies. And many will have NEGATIVE GROWTH instead of simply NO GROWTH in revenue.
 
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Why would Google put its apps on Huawei's OS ? Google does not have access to Chinese market anyway

Because otherwise they lose the business. China is one of the largest emerging markets and Google would not want to lose business there, and this is just in regards to Google services such as Google maps. This can be replaced with Beidou, which may be painful in the beginning but it is China and the app will get better and better.

As for the rest of the android apps, all the apps which are NOT developed by Google itself can be hosted on both the Google App Store and Huawei App Store. It will be up to the developers to decide whether they want business from both sides or just from Google App Store users.
 
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Huawei is a private company. Who do it need to please? It is free to make long term decision rather than short term short sighted moves that promise dividend only for that year.



You forgot Huawei exported hundred million of smartphone worldwide using Android OS. Google is losing that money from the ban. The worst is Hongmeng OS is also tested by Chinese rival smartphone marker like Oppo, xiaomi. The world smartphone market is dominated by Chinese marker. No doubt about that. If they all migrated to HongMeng OS and Google loses the loyalty fee for their. How much will Google lose? On top of that, they create a monster competitor.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-estimates-google-lost-revenue-huawei-ban-2019-5/?IR=T

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdof...ting-huaweis-faster-android-os-report-claims/

You have to understand that Android WITH Google is NOT ONLY an OS...
It's a Fully autonomous Ecosystem that HAS NO RIVAL except APPLE Ecosystem... and Both of them are US based corpo...

Even if Samsung decide to make his own Android alike OS... They will mostly fail ( not by creating an OS... But sustaining it's integration before they lose too much money to either go back on android or shut their mobile division...)... and They are way ahead of Any Smartphone manufacturers... Whatever in their vertical integration/manufacturing or their reach in the market...

Even Google is working on moving out of Android era... with a cross platform/universal OS aka Fuschia... That will lock the market even more than today with Android...

Android is free to install for manufacturers... only Google suites come with a fee ( Gmail and such) something CN phone makers don't use therefore don't pay for CN market...
 
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JUNE 18, 2019 / 6:01 AM / UPDATED 5 HOURS AGO
Senator Rubio targets Huawei over patents - Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Marco Rubio filed legislation on Monday that would prevent Huawei Technologies Co Ltd from seeking damages in U.S. patent courts, after the Chinese firm demanded that Verizon Communications Inc pay $1 billion to license the rights to patented technology.

Under the amendment - seen by Reuters - companies on certain U.S. government watch lists, which would include Huawei, would not be allowed to seek relief under U.S. law with respect to U.S. patents, including bringing legal action over patent infringement.

On June 12, a person briefed on the matter said Huawei had told Verizon that it should pay licensing fees for more than 230 of the Chinese telecoms equipment maker’s patents and in aggregate is seeking more than $1 billion.

It appeared to be a new strategy in Huawei’s ongoing battle with the U.S. government. National security experts worry that “back doors” in routers, switches and other Huawei equipment could allow China to spy on U.S. communications. Huawei has denied that it would help China spy.

Rubio, one of the Republican party’s leading foreign policy voices, filed the measure as an amendment to the annual National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, a massive bill setting policy for spending by the Department of Defense.

While the measure is several steps from becoming law, lawmakers have successfully used the NDAA in past years to crack down on the Chinese firm.

Reporting by Patricia Zengerle; Editing by Leslie Adler
 
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JUNE 18, 2019 / 6:01 AM / UPDATED 5 HOURS AGO
Senator Rubio targets Huawei over patents - Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Marco Rubio filed legislation on Monday that would prevent Huawei Technologies Co Ltd from seeking damages in U.S. patent courts, after the Chinese firm demanded that Verizon Communications Inc pay $1 billion to license the rights to patented technology.

Under the amendment - seen by Reuters - companies on certain U.S. government watch lists, which would include Huawei, would not be allowed to seek relief under U.S. law with respect to U.S. patents, including bringing legal action over patent infringement.

On June 12, a person briefed on the matter said Huawei had told Verizon that it should pay licensing fees for more than 230 of the Chinese telecoms equipment maker’s patents and in aggregate is seeking more than $1 billion.

It appeared to be a new strategy in Huawei’s ongoing battle with the U.S. government. National security experts worry that “back doors” in routers, switches and other Huawei equipment could allow China to spy on U.S. communications. Huawei has denied that it would help China spy.

Rubio, one of the Republican party’s leading foreign policy voices, filed the measure as an amendment to the annual National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, a massive bill setting policy for spending by the Department of Defense.

While the measure is several steps from becoming law, lawmakers have successfully used the NDAA in past years to crack down on the Chinese firm.

Reporting by Patricia Zengerle; Editing by Leslie Adler
Looks like US legalise stealing. Talking about thieves, US is sure one.

You have to understand that Android WITH Google is NOT ONLY an OS...
It's a Fully autonomous Ecosystem that HAS NO RIVAL except APPLE Ecosystem... and Both of them are US based corpo...

Even if Samsung decide to make his own Android alike OS... They will mostly fail ( not by creating an OS... But sustaining it's integration before they lose too much money to either go back on android or shut their mobile division...)... and They are way ahead of Any Smartphone manufacturers... Whatever in their vertical integration/manufacturing or their reach in the market...

Even Google is working on moving out of Android era... with a cross platform/universal OS aka Fuschia... That will lock the market even more than today with Android...

Android is free to install for manufacturers... only Google suites come with a fee ( Gmail and such) something CN phone makers don't use therefore don't pay for CN market...
Pls dont compare SK Samsung to China. China smartphone market is doing well without Goggle. So I do not know how the OS will not survive? China is the biggest smartphone market for all Chinese smartphone maker. Huawei OS will survive even it will not achieve much success overboard. In fact, it is an undersatement.

While that cant be say for SK Samsung. They need to export to survive. That is why their OS failed. China is a different ball game. It has huge market to dictate market trend.
 
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You have to understand that Android WITH Google is NOT ONLY an OS...
It's a Fully autonomous Ecosystem that HAS NO RIVAL except APPLE Ecosystem... and Both of them are US based corpo...

Even if Samsung decide to make his own Android alike OS... They will mostly fail ( not by creating an OS... But sustaining it's integration before they lose too much money to either go back on android or shut their mobile division...)... and They are way ahead of Any Smartphone manufacturers... Whatever in their vertical integration/manufacturing or their reach in the market...

Even Google is working on moving out of Android era... with a cross platform/universal OS aka Fuschia... That will lock the market even more than today with Android...

Android is free to install for manufacturers... only Google suites come with a fee ( Gmail and such) something CN phone makers don't use therefore don't pay for CN market...

Samsung failed because of Korea's small population base. China with 700 million smart phone users (that is twice the population of USA), and 1.4 billion populations is a huge base where the Huawei OS environment will thrive.

And the 3 nations in BRIC (China, India and Russia) have more than 1.2 billion smartphone users.

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