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Huawei enters the photonic chip, the Netherlands claims that the blockade of lithography machines is meaningless, Russia: underestimated China's stren

As leading analysts in the semiconductors industries put it, China's third-generation semiconductor technology is poised to set the country ahead of others in the race.

Breakthroughs such as carbon-based semiconductors research and industrialization last year is just one of the indispensable part of this program.
Breakthrough in photonic chip is yet another one.
 
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We have 3 trillion of hard earned dollars...using it for industrial ventures and infrastructure is better than gambling it on wallstreet. No idea what happened to han bao bao, but you can just keep on dismissing us, over and over again we were supposed to collapse, fail and explode. Just keep counting on it, we will just keep on marching and marching and marching. I have seen how my motherland grew powerful in 20 years. You should visit China one day and understand how India is a shithole.

Let me tell you the story about the first Chinese dsp which was faked, the guy was jailed and punished, but did we give up? No we continued and if we listened to naysayers like you that trying to work hard towards tech independenve is useless, we wouldn't be a threat to US today, there won't be the whole ecosystem of chips designed by us today. Now it's not about whether we can design chips, it's about we can make the most advanced chips. One thing you should have learnt by now is never underestimate China, the reason we became number 2 today is because we were always dismissed as inferior. Lolol

The Chinese have been trying to assimilate western barbarian technology from the time of the Qing Dynasty. Even when it became abundantly clear that replicating the technology was the easy part. The not so easy part of naturing a creative society still eludes China.
 
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The article has been written in too flowery language to be taken seriously.
 
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The Chinese have been trying to assimilate western barbarian technology from the time of the Qing Dynasty. Even when it became abundantly clear that replicating the technology was the easy part. The not so easy part of naturing a creative society still eludes China.
Yup it failed mate, look at the mess which is China today. Lolol. The HSR, the HTG reactors, the plasma tech, the optical comms tech, the 7 axis cnc machine, the ultra precise GPS which US don't even have, the domestic supercomputer which was the fastest in the world at one point, the port machineries, the nuclear scanner for airports, the grapehen tech, the tunnel boring machine, the largest capacity permanent magnet wind turbine, the h class has turbine, the single crystal blade tech, the laser cutters for that blade which Germany wanted to buy, the ceramic precision bearings, the 2nm table for lithography, the 22nm euv machine, the 7nm chemicals, uhv grid, smart grid, blade batteries, ultra strength steel..... We failed mate, we failed. Lololol

Comparing half starving illiterate Qing dynasty to today's China which is the 2nd most powerful country on earth is so impartial. All Chinese should listen to you and just give up and be a poodle like India or Vietnam or whatever country you are from because resistance is futile. 20 years ago China had NO HOPE of ever catching up, DID WE GIVE UP!!! WE NEVER GIVE Up! Bash us, kick us, ridicule us, laugh, we will still march and march and march until the last Chinese is standing. Understand?

I have seen China dismissed as a brown water navy for 20 years. I have seen how Deng went to Kenya in the 80s and remarked how advanced KENYA was compared to China. I have seen him taking the HSR in Japan when trains in China was crawling at 60kmhr and not punctual. We came out from the cultural revolution fcked up and starving..... Did we give up?
 
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Yup it failed mate, look at the mess which is China today. Lolol. The HSR, the HTG reactors, the plasma tech, the optical comms tech, the 7 axis cnc machine, the ultra precise GPS which US don't even have, the domestic supercomputer which was the fastest in the world at one point, the port machineries, the nuclear scanner for airports, the grapehen tech, the tunnel boring machine, the largest capacity permanent magnet wind turbine, the h class has turbine, the single crystal blade tech, the laser cutters for that blade which Germany wanted to buy, the ceramic precision bearings, the 2nm table for lithography, the 22nm euv machine...... We failed mate, we failed. Lololol

Yes agreed you failed..
 
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Yup it failed mate, look at the mess which is China today. Lolol. The HSR, the HTG reactors, the plasma tech, the optical comms tech, the 7 axis cnc machine, the ultra precise GPS which US don't even have, the domestic supercomputer which was the fastest in the world at one point, the port machineries, the nuclear scanner for airports, the grapehen tech, the tunnel boring machine, the largest capacity permanent magnet wind turbine, the h class has turbine, the single crystal blade tech, the laser cutters for that blade which Germany wanted to buy, the ceramic precision bearings, the 2nm table for lithography, the 22nm euv machine, the 7nm chemicals, uhv grid, smart grid, blade batteries, ultra strength steel..... We failed mate, we failed. Lololol

Comparing half starving illiterate Qing dynasty to today's China which is the 2nd most powerful country on earth is so impartial. All Chinese should listen to you and just give up and be a poodle like India or Vietnam or whatever country you are from because resistance is futile. 20 years ago China had NO HOPE of ever catching up, DID WE GIVE UP!!! WE NEVER GIVE Up! Bash us, kick us, ridicule us, laugh, we will still march and march and march until the last Chinese is standing. Understand?

I have seen China dismissed as a brown water navy for 20 years. I have seen how Deng went to Kenya in the 80s and remarked how advanced KENYA was compared to China. I have seen him taking the HSR in Japan when trains in China was crawling at 60kmhr and not punctual. We came out from the cultural revolution fcked up and starving..... Did we give up?
Most new technologies now comes from East Asia (65% in 2020)any ways,the so called US's r& D and innovations are heavily dependent on chinese people for survival; so the notion that US can subvert China by those punitive measures makes US looks so petty. East Asia is much much better in innovation unlike what the western media try to potray,what west really excels is in decimating competition in leading technologies through procured leverage using threats & coercion ,doing so the west(mostly US ) has greatly damaged the development of science and technology,it has caused ripple effect on the progress of human civilization overall .
One day humanity might face unexpected dire circumstances,and than maybe humanity might not have the tech to meet the challenge due to the setback faced under Western tech containment measures,once deployed for elimination of innovation in most core tech that circumvents their reach , due to these sort of punitive restriction upon the development of critical science and tech initiated by a wannabe hegemon,whole human civilization may be plunged into peril.
Hardly anyone notices how the US , for the past half a century, has been the single biggest restrictive agent in the development of critical and highly advanced technologies.

Huawei like China today got too big for its shoes and it ended badly, we will soon say there used to be a company called Huawei


Huawei loses smartphone market lead in China
Oppo and Apple are on the rise in China as the country's most famous provider continues to fall

by: Bobby Hellard
8 Mar 2021
The Huawei Mate 40 Pro

Huawei is not only losing ground in Europe, as its share of the smartphone market in China is also shrinking.
That's according to Counterpoint Research, which revealed that rival Chinese brand Oppo overtook Huawei to become the number one provider in China for 2020's fourth quarter after claiming 21% of the smartphone market.
Huawei was just 1% behind, but it has seen a gradual fall from the top ever since it was hit by US sanctions that banned American firms, such as Google and Qualcomm, from selling their products to the Chinese firm.
Counterpoint's senior analyst Varun Mishra puts Oppo's success down to changing its pricing strategy, but he also points to Huawei's fall.
"The rebranding of the Reno series and launching a more capable device at a lower price point than its predecessor helped Oppo capture the affordable premium segment," Mishra said. "The strong momentum of the A series in the mid-segment strengthened the product portfolio for Oppo and it was able to cater to the 5G demand in China across a wide price band. This was further helped by the decline of Huawei."



This could be one of the reasons for the recent sale of the Honor brand, which automatically took some of Huawei's market share with it, and why the firm has been launching fewer models in recent months.
Counterpoint suggests that a depleting inventory of components has forced Huawei to focus more on the "premium" categories with more elite products, such as the Mate X2 and the P40 Pro. This has, it suggests, has created a gap in the middle tier of the Chinese smartphone market.



Huawei Suffers Rare Drop in Revenue as U.S. Sanctions Bite
Slate of U.S. actions, including chip ban, hits Chinese telecom maker’s sales outside of China hard

Tech Decoupling: China's Race to End Its Reliance on the U.S.


Tech Decoupling: China's Race to End Its Reliance on the U.S.'s Race to End Its Reliance on the U.S.

Tech Decoupling: China's Race to End Its Reliance on the U.S.
The tech battle between the U.S. and China has battered TikTok and Huawei and startled American companies that produce and sell in China. WSJ explains how Beijing is pouring money into high-tech chips as it wants to become self-sufficient. Video/Illustration: George Downs/The Wall Street Journal (Video from 9/3/20)
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HONG KONG—Huawei Technologies Co. suffered a rare decline in revenue during the fourth quarter last year, as U.S. sanctions hammered its business and sales outside of China fell particularly hard.
The Chinese telecom giant said sales of its once hugely popular smartphones were suffering the most of all its business segments, with the company showing signs of difficulty sourcing the advanced chips needed to run its handsets due to U.S. export restrictions imposed last year.
Revenue in the fourth quarter fell 11.2% to 220.1 billion yuan, equivalent to about $33.6 billion, from a year earlier, according to calculations based on previously released figures by Huawei. For the full year, the company said revenue still grew 3.8% to a record 891.4 billion yuan, thanks to stronger performance earlier in the year. It still marked one of Huawei’s slowest years for revenue growth on record, the closely held company said.
“The supply restrictions for our smartphone business has caused us a great impact, and we haven’t been able to see a clear picture in the supply for our smartphones,” said Ken Hu, one of Huawei’s three deputy chairmen, during a press conference Wednesday at the company’s headquarters in Shenzhen. “We think this is a very unfair situation to Huawei and it has caused a lot of damage to us.”
Regardless of the reliability of the article.

If US manages to annihilate a global leader and champion in innovation and tech like Huawei ,the US would be dealing the most pivotal loss to the development of science and technology and causing setback to the pace of development of human civilization as whole.

US attacking Huawei , an institution at the forefront of innovation , simply for threatening their hegemonic empire is nothing to exhilarate about.
 
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Nice fantasy ..the reality is lots of Chinese institutions are milking the Government out of billions with false claims. Wuhan Hongxin Semiconductor Manufacturing Co is one of the first to go down after burning through 20 billion dollars in state funds. Many more to follow.... Tacoma Semiconductor Technology..Dehuai ...Dekema (Nanjing)....

Essentially true, and add one more nil to the figure, but why you are asking me? Those are all state companies.

All real (and privately owned) industry sits in Guangdong, and don't want to have anything to do with them.
 
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If only, the horse has bolted..the birds have flown taking a big piece of China hard earned dollars.
Do you know what happened to Bao Enbao? @Paul2
Probably drinking Martinis somewhere on a beach in Switzerland

If people remember, I was telling HSMC was a plain run off the mill scam like in 2018, and that they would close within few months like many other state bankrolled semi ventures once they finish with photoshoots.
 
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Huawei enters the photonic chip, the Netherlands claims that the blockade of lithography machines is meaningless, Russia: underestimated China's strength
2021/04/04 11:05:01

According to Jilin TV, Huawei has taken a big move and bravely moved forward under the US chip ban, and started research in another field, namely photonic chips. The performance of this chip is better than existing chips, and does not require lithography machines produced by European and American companies. The Dutch media commented on this that the US lithography machine blockade is meaningless, and China may not need these equipment to produce high-end chips in the future. At the same time, the Russian media also attached great importance to this move by Huawei. They said that the United States underestimated the strength and determination of Chinese companies, and the blockade would only arouse challenges from Chinese companies.

Blocking the lithography machine is meaningless
For some time now, the White House has formulated a series of sanctions against Chinese semiconductor companies and communication technology companies. European and American companies are not allowed to sell goods or technologies to companies on the blacklist, including the Dutch ASML company. Manufacturing lithography machine. Huawei is one of the victims of these policies. The company's business relies heavily on high-end chips produced in Europe and the United States, but the United States does not allow companies that own these chips to do business with Huawei.
Huawei enters the photonic chip, the Netherlands claims that the blockade of lithography machines is meaningless, Russia: underestimated China's strength 's strength



In order to break through this limitation, Huawei launched a big move and began to develop photonic chips. People who don't know about chips may have never heard of such chips. In fact, there are many different sub-fields in the semiconductor industry. The familiar chips basically belong to the field of integrated circuits, while the photonic chip belongs to the field of optoelectronics. The latter is not well-known, but the performance of the chip is far better than ordinary integrated circuits.

Huawei enters the photonic chip, the Netherlands claims that the blockade of lithography machines is meaningless, Russia: underestimated China's strength 's strength



The advantage of the photonic chip is in the transmission performance, which can greatly improve the working efficiency of electronic equipment. Now the research on integrated circuits has gradually come to an end and is subject to physical boundaries. When the chip reaches the 2nm field, it is almost impossible to make a smaller chip. , Even if it succeeds, there is no guarantee that its performance will be greatly improved. On the whole, photonic chips are the future of the semiconductor industry.

Huawei enters the photonic chip, the Netherlands claims that the blockade of lithography machines is meaningless, Russia: underestimated China's strength 's strength


The most important thing is that research in this field has just started, and European and American countries have not yet formed a monopoly. If China takes the lead in breaking through the application of photonic chips, it can reverse its current disadvantages. In addition, this chip manufacturing process is completely different from the past. It does not require a lithography machine at all, and will use brand-new manufacturing technology. The Dutch media have discovered the most critical point. They claim that the US lithography machine blockade will soon lose its effect. In the future, we may not need these lithography machines at all.

Huawei enters the photonic chip, the Netherlands claims that the blockade of lithography machines is meaningless, Russia: underestimated China's strength 's strength


The Russian media did the same The conclusion that with the continuous iteration of technology, the formal significance of US sanctions will be greater than the actual effect. The reason is that the United States has underestimated the R&D capabilities of Chinese companies. The United States wanted to take this opportunity to completely eliminate the possibility of China's entry into the high-end semiconductor market. Unexpectedly, it inspires the courage of Chinese companies to overcome technical difficulties. At the moment, Huawei has taken the right step, pointing to the most cutting-edge chip technology research.

We have another magic weapon

In addition to the layout of photonic chip research, Chinese companies have also prepared another magic weapon, namely carbon-based chips, more accurately graphene chips. Once this chip is successfully developed, it will completely overturn the development trajectory of previous chips. After more than ten years of intensive work in this field, the scientists of the Chinese Academy of Sciences have achieved beautiful results. The first batch of graphene wafers have been offline and the finished products have been displayed to the public, demonstrating China's scientific research level.

Huawei enters the photonic chip, the Netherlands claims that the blockade of lithography machines is meaningless, Russia: underestimated China's strength 's strength


This achievement has been recognized by people at home and abroad. China is not the only country studying graphene chips in the world, but there are not many countries that can produce qualified wafers. The introduction of these wafers means that China has ran ahead of many countries on this track and is expected to achieve technological surpassing in this field. All in all, the current chip predicament is not terrible. China is well prepared for the future by deploying photonic chips and graphene chips.
“ The familiar chips basically belong to the field of integrated circuits, while the photonic chip belongs to the field of optoelectronics. The latter is not well-known.”

Is that a joke?

All SFP transceivers used in computer networking are optoelectronics. I believe they are available since 20 years something.
 
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“ The familiar chips basically belong to the field of integrated circuits, while the photonic chip belongs to the field of optoelectronics. The latter is not well-known.”

Is that a joke?

All SFP transceivers used in computer networking are optoelectronics. I believe they are available since 20 years something.
Well, where the guy will get a photonics foundry from?

Photonics is also easily a 100% photo-litho process. Saying this as somebody who once did few things for a co making those SFP transceivers.

The co went to design a cheap 100G optics with MZI single wavelength duplex at around 2015-2016, but unfortunately been run by a completely unsubstantial man, a darling of those VC investors, a typical silicon valley wunder kinder. He cracked under pressure, and ran away with money upon first difficulties.
 
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Yes agreed you failed..
disagreeing on the claimed progress in some fields could be open to discussion but its too foolish to outright call china a failure... this coming from a guy who has "think tank rank" is literally too stupid to comprehend... one can be biased, yes but too biased to the degree that u begin to sound like stupid lad, damn its just too miserable to see... just wat is happening with the ranked ppl here.... the other explanation is ur account is hacked... someone plz double check....
Huawei came a long way and any exp telecom guy can tell u, they were leading in all domains... but tat is a discussion for some other day...
 
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Nice fantasy ..the reality is lots of Chinese institutions are milking the Government out of billions with false claims. Wuhan Hongxin Semiconductor Manufacturing Co is one of the first to go down after burning through 20 billion dollars in state funds. Many more to follow.... Tacoma Semiconductor Technology..Dehuai ...Dekema (Nanjing)....




Any evidence?
 
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