How To Stop Suicide bombings

[MastanKhan]

I had thought about writing on this subject for long and hard and I believe that at this stage where suicide bombings have become rampant, I must put some solutions on paper like many others have done so before me.

Who is a suicide bomber? What is a suicide bomber? What does he / she stand for? What makes them do what they do? Who are making these suicide bombers? What their ideologies are and what excites them to do what they do? These are some very very important questions and like miriads of others, we all are intrigued by wanting to know what happens in that grey matter.

It is believed that for every action there is a reaction---for every crime there is a punishment---every society and every community deals with them differently.

In afghanistan people talk about the time of Amir Abdur Rahman, who tamed the criminal elements of afghanistan in the 19th century, by enforcing some truly unusual punishments. In a couple of years people were living in peace and crime was minimal.

So, now is the time to have some really unusual punishemnt for the suicide bomber / s. You would ask, Mastan, what's up with you---are you gone crazy---the guy is dead----how can he be punished----and to that I would say----look back and make an assessment---what is the goal of the suicide bomber-----what does he want to achieve-----and how he wants to achieve that.

The goal of the suicide bomber is to kill. After he gets recruited he is put through rigorous brainwashing speeches to get him ready for the big event. He goes through the process----on the big day, he cleans himslef and prepares to do the deed----he is ready to kill-----and by killing he wants to go to the heavens---he has taken his showers, abolutions, clean clothes, straps on his jacket, taken the drugs or is given drugs like opium to calm the nerves and he is ready to go to heavens.

What is in heavens for him---hoor o' maqsoor and who are these hoorah's for----a clean, pious, religious person who sacrificed his life and killed the heathens.

Now, we all know how important physical cleaniness is to the muslims. e know that a physically clean muslim may go to heavens, but what about a ****** and unclean muslim, where does he end up.

My goal is to make this suicide bomber feel the filthiest, most disgusting piece of flesh on the face of this earth, who would never ever dream and imagine of going to heavens with the ***** that his flesh is going to carry till eternity.

My question to you the reader is that what I am going to propose now---who is going to implement it?

All the remnants of the suicide bomber, every piece of his flesh, blood and gore, his head and all his body parts must be gathered together-----now for the second part, we are going to make a sacrifice----we are going to sacrifice the life of a swine / wild boar / pig----we are going to hang it on a tree by its legs, cut the stomach open and gut the animal and remove the innards. The head of the suicide bomber would go into the stomach pouch and wrapped up nicely-----the rest of his remaining parts would also be put back into the empty stomach cavity of the swine along with the head and the outside skin stiched so the stuff does not fall out and now the suicide bombers remnants are safely placed in the the MOST DISGUSTING PLACE, in the darkest moistest cavern in the hatingly filthiest place that a muslim can ever imagine his dead body to be-----and the carcass can be buried in public. Now is the time to let this dead martyr's friends visualize where they are going to end up---in the heavens---with the hoorahs----or in the gut of a dead pig / swine.

The choice is totally theirs. The pakistani govt needs some balls to implement it. As much as I know, pakistani govt or the iraqi govt has no way out of this mess. The suiciders will never stop. The mongols took some extraordinary steps to stop the suiciders----the present govt need to do the same because the stakes are much much higher than what they were 8 centuries ago.

 

[EagleEyes]

Best way to stop them is by resolving issues.

If not, the question remains intact.

 

[roadrunner]

The swine method has been patented by the Russians if I recall.

 

[roadrunner]

best way..to seal the borders..make sure everyone has ID cards.."your papers sir/madam". Throw out all the radical foreigners, send any newly brainwashed peeps to rehab. After all suicide bombing is not something ideological in Pakistan. The Japanese did it, so did the Tamils, the Japanese stopped when the war stopped, the Tamils I guess are still fighting. However, there's no reasoning with Al Q. ISI do need to raise their game a bit.

 

[Energon]

This is an extremely complex issue which is unlikely to have a generic "solution." Subsequently the methodology used to combat this problem is bound to be a multi tiered and multi factoral one as well.

I'm short of time right now but I'll write a bit more about this later.

 

[dahmed0]

i think justice, is the real answer? all the issues cant be solve in this world but,if we can cerate a common justice system, for all ,a fare 1 and execptable for all.

 

[IceCold]

Proper education with proper jobs, proper health facilities, water food, all these things can solve the problem of this suecide bombing. If people are well educated, have good jobs, money is coming up, they have foods and clothes for their children, who in the hell would go for suecide.

 

[Spring Onion]

Well i would say just last years some of our millitary officers were takaing training from American officials on terrorism and at the end of the training the trainer an expert, told the officers "gentelmen we (US) had failed to stop suicide bombing and i dont think so there is any solution to stop it practically"

Now the problem is we all know that when a man is willing to die and kill others you can not stop him what is more fearful for a person than death , if he is not scared to kill himself he can kill anyone.
All those who are being lured into this ugly practice are most of those who lost their loved ones in War on Terror. Indeed if i lost my entire family i will be more than boiling to kill anyone who i feel responsible for killing of my family.
Just two months back a man an elderly man from Waziristan was being interviewd he lost all his kids and wife he was the only survivor in US airstrikes in Damadola area of Waziristan. The man was crying like hell vowing to take revenge and said he would become a suicide bomber there are lots of such people.
Just in Bajaur someone told me that about 50,000 people registred with Fazlullah willing to become suicide bombers just to revenge the killings.

Now how we can stop it bring change in living standard of the people give them access to modern media as i had seen the media had brought astonishing change in the thinking of people in rural areas.

Take out the Opinion Leaders like Fazllullah who are instrumental in luring people and moulding their opinions and views so take out these people individually take them to task killing them one by one is not difficult instead to going to a full scale operation we must first take these weeds out to lessen the influence of theirs.

 

[Energon]

Proper education with proper jobs, proper health facilities, water food, all these things can solve the problem of this suecide bombing. If people are well educated, have good jobs, money is coming up, they have foods and clothes for their children, who in the hell would go for suecide.

Although this will help, it certainly will not stop suicide bombings. The most dangerous militants and suicide bombers usually come from good socioeconomic backgrounds and have a decent education as in the case of the 9/11 bombers.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

What I am saying is that the system needs a shock treatment. Without a shock treatment, you won't get the attention of the radicals and the suicidals.

The issues cannot be resolved to everyone's satisfaction. Education and job creation will take a lots of time and effort and still a lot of people will not be satisfied.

It cannot be justified that, because they are persecuted, that is why they become suicide bomber. Our politicians have been saying it on the tv interviews all the time----these people are persecuted---they have nowhere to go----this means that the politicians are justifying suicide bombings-----if you listen to the talk shows it is the same thing repeated over and over.

I firmly believe that this issue has gone out of control----the govt has taken too much time to find peace with the radicals and that is due to the fact that they have been listening to everyone's advice to resolve the issue by peaceful means. For that reason, all the millitary actions taken by the govt have been half hearted, none of the skirmishes have achieved their target and goals.

Time is always of great essence in these millitary actions against local insurgency----once you start something then nip it in the bud. You don't wait for the local JIRGA to call for the cease fire and start negotiations. Govt will be a loser all the times in these Jirga related negotiations-----these Jirgas are programmed to give more time to the criminal element to escape from the scene and re-group to fight at a later date. This is how the members of the Jirga make their money.

There is too much interference from all walks of life in our homeland about this issue. Even the supreme court has indulged in this issue. There was no reason for the JUDICIARY to get involved in this case---ie the red mosque issue. It was a hostage and a siege issue---and if it needed the special forces interference then it is the choice of the govt how to proceed.

Our Judiciary cannot do the job that it is supposed to do. There are cases that have been pending for 20----30 years or maybe more. Judges are more interested in giving extensions over menial excuses. Over 50 % of the judges are extremely corrupt----now there are some superior court judges who believe that they are only answerable to Allah for their actions----these people need to be brought back to the ground level and made to believe that as they live on this planet earth and they live and share this place with other people----it is of utmost importance that they keep other people in mind and believe that they are answerable to people first and the LORD later and this goes true for the radicals as well.

Our legal system is the biggest criminal of our nation---a lower court judge sentences someone to death----on appeal the higher court judge copletely reverses the decision and throws out the case and the person is released. How can that be possible? Such deviousness in judgement----it is an everyday happening. One of the judges is incompetent or on the take----simple as that

Anyway coming back to the original issue----the supreme court is equally to be blamed for these recent bombing when it decided to interfere in the RED MOSQUE issue and took sides with the Maulvi-----in taking this side---the supreme court justified the suicide bombings. It was the job of the supreme court to totally stay away from the issue and not interfere with the govt's police / millitary action.

The problem with the govt here is that they are again, one more time not tackling this issue and taking it head on. The supreme court judges need to be stopped from routine interference of govt's daily routine.

As for the suicide bombings-----it is shameful that the pakistani nation as a people have shown the mentality and understanding of CHILDREN to address this issue. They have not taken this issue seriously enough and have not condemned it enough----because we pakistanis, being pakistanis will stay and act pakistanis---which mean till the last moment we will not take these issues seriously and leave it on ALLAH to resolve it---that means the EASY WAY OUT----also stated---ALLAH KI MARZI---or God's will---.

Reminds me of David Koresh here in texas. He started a siege----govt tried to intervene---an fbi agent was shot and killed by David Koresh----the govt took down the compound---a fire got started during police action----and between 30 to 50 people were burnt to death. The U S supreme court didnot condemn the police and fbi for their actions---as a matter of fact none of the tv channels glorified David Koresh and his party. David Koresh started it by killing a law enforcement officer---whatever happened after that became his problem.

Pakistani govt need to work on the same footings and the supreme court judges need to stay away from taking sides----any assault on the law enforcement personale must be taken very very seriously. Any assault on any police official must be taken very very seriously and the courts must back the police force all the way. The govt must make it very clear to the supreme court that any statements in favour of hostage taker will be taken very very seriously.

 

[Energon]

i think justice, is the real answer? all the issues cant be solve in this world but,if we can cerate a common justice system, for all ,a fare 1 and execptable for all.

This is an interesting take and one I've pondered over for some time. The problem is that there are two schools of thought on the concept of jurisprudence in the Islamic world: the theological one (with various interpretations particularly among tribal communities) and the secular one. Unfortunately a hybrid of the both has never worked because the former is a faith based phenomenon while the latter is built around reasoning. Middle eastern nations like Oman, UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait seem to have adopted a twin tiered system where parts are dominated by religious law while others are secular. However these nations have more homogeneous populations, a higher standard of living and enjoy stability which may be the reason for a lower level of crime and violence compared to Pakistan.

Disclaimer: These are just my anecdotal observations, I am not a trained lawyer or anything.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Dahmed's take on the situation is very very important. As a matter of fact that is the basic issue. Justice is the strongest most pillar of democracy in any civilization. You take justice away from any nation and look through the time glass over the years in history---the nations that did not provide justice, met their natural demise in due time.

If you look at the bigining of islam--people joined islam to have justice for one and for all and for equal rights. If it was not for justice to the weak and the poor, there would have been no conversion to islam any where in the world. Nobody joined to say their prayers for 5 times a day or to perform haj or fast. It was for justice and equality and we know very very well which of our leaders provided us with justice and which of them did not.

The tragedy over here is and I would speak it on face of President Musharraf, if I ever see him face to face-----I don't know what kind of general that you are---when it comes to providing justice to the weak you have cojones of jello.

It is extremely tragic that this president of ours who has done so much for pakistan could falter at this most important issue. Now who else could take the blame along with him----his compadres in Ch Shujaat, Ch Pervez, Shaukat Aziz, Tariq Azim, Mr Durrani and so many others. What is wrong with the mentality of these people----what is wrong with the mentality of our judges------are they going to be eternally corrupt whole of their lives. Is their going to be no repurcussions against anyone.

Pakistani justice system has created another menace-----blood money------you forgive the criminal and you can go scott free. How is that possible? It is crminally insane. A murderer cannot go free regardless if he has been forgiven by the relatives of the victim. The relatives have no right to do that. The victim was the citizen of the state of pakistan. It becomes the duty of the state and govt of pakistan to see that a murder criminal does not go free.

This law was created by the incompetent nincompoop mullahs who had absolutely no grasp of the liabilities of the issues.

Now back to suicidals----their leadership needs to be taken out first and foremost. People in the NWFP are very conscious about the law----so the law needs to be enforced about kidnappers, murderers, highway robbers, against corruption----it is high time that there must be summary executions for these and related crimes in our country. The only problem is that Gen Musharraf does not have the cojones to do so.

There is one man amongst a few who can do it---his name is Shahbaz Sharif---yessirs the brother of another incompetent prime minister Nawaz Sharif-----but tradey is that this man cannot come out the shadows of his older brother Nawaz. It is a shame---we have three or four very good people waiting in the 3rd and 4th place, who can make the difference-----Like as I stated Shahbaz Sharif, Makhdoom Amin Fahim, Attorney Aitzaz Ahsan, Javed Hashmi and couple of others---these guys should have been in the running for the prime ministers post for the nation for they are the most capable people and they can make the difference----but sadly for reasons known best to them or rather for a " PERVERSE NOTION OF LOYALTY TILL THE END " these people have sacrificed the wel-being of the nation for the wel-being of two individuals.

What seperates the men from the boys is the price of their toys----their dreams to be at the top---their desire to make it happen----to do a selfless job which would leave a legacy behind for the coming generations to see and cherish. Sadly and tragically my motherland has none in sight. I mean to say that it is running on auto pilot right now and we are just being moving along, but today we truly need a visionary who could take the right kind of actions, provide us with some kind of justice, put a foot on the crime and make a difference. People will come home in due time.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^^ Mastan Khan sahib,

I share your pain. Let us hope that the current bravado and independence shown by the SC gains continuity and filters down into all levels of the judiciary. How and when the police gets reformed I have no clue. I do know that it was shocking to learn that an additional 22 billion rupees that the Punjab govt. added to the police budget, went entirely into setting up more "thanas" and buying more "mobiles". What about increasing pay and benefits? What about improving training and capacity building?

We don't need quantity, we need quality and motivation - neither of which can be gained without investing in the benefits of the Police and their training. Curse the Chaudhry bradran for derailing and diluting Musharraf's police reforms, and shame on Musharraf for kowtowing to their demands.

In the mean time: Get those Universities, schools and vocational training centers up ASAP!

 

[blain2]

Hi,

Dahmed's take on the situation is very very important. As a matter of fact that is the basic issue. Justice is the strongest most pillar of democracy in any civilization. You take justice away from any nation and look through the time glass over the years in history---the nations that did not provide justice, met their natural demise in due time.

If you look at the bigining of islam--people joined islam to have justice for one and for all and for equal rights. If it was not for justice to the weak and the poor, there would have been no conversion to islam any where in the world. Nobody joined to say their prayers for 5 times a day or to perform haj or fast. It was for justice and equality and we know very very well which of our leaders provided us with justice and which of them did not.

The tragedy over here is and I would speak it on face of President Musharraf, if I ever see him face to face-----I don't know what kind of general that you are---when it comes to providing justice to the weak you have cojones of jello.

It is extremely tragic that this president of ours who has done so much for pakistan could falter at this most important issue. Now who else could take the blame along with him----his compadres in Ch Shujaat, Ch Pervez, Shaukat Aziz, Tariq Azim, Mr Durrani and so many others. What is wrong with the mentality of these people----what is wrong with the mentality of our judges------are they going to be eternally corrupt whole of their lives. Is their going to be no repurcussions against anyone.

Pakistani justice system has created another menace-----blood money------you forgive the criminal and you can go scott free. How is that possible? It is crminally insane. A murderer cannot go free regardless if he has been forgiven by the relatives of the victim. The relatives have no right to do that. The victim was the citizen of the state of pakistan. It becomes the duty of the state and govt of pakistan to see that a murder criminal does not go free.

This law was created by the incompetent nincompoop mullahs who had absolutely no grasp of the liabilities of the issues.

Now back to suicidals----their leadership needs to be taken out first and foremost. People in the NWFP are very conscious about the law----so the law needs to be enforced about kidnappers, murderers, highway robbers, against corruption----it is high time that there must be summary executions for these and related crimes in our country. The only problem is that Gen Musharraf does not have the cojones to do so.

There is one man amongst a few who can do it---his name is Shahbaz Sharif---yessirs the brother of another incompetent prime minister Nawaz Sharif-----but tradey is that this man cannot come out the shadows of his older brother Nawaz. It is a shame---we have three or four very good people waiting in the 3rd and 4th place, who can make the difference-----Like as I stated Shahbaz Sharif, Makhdoom Amin Fahim, Attorney Aitzaz Ahsan, Javed Hashmi and couple of others---these guys should have been in the running for the prime ministers post for the nation for they are the most capable people and they can make the difference----but sadly for reasons known best to them or rather for a " PERVERSE NOTION OF LOYALTY TILL THE END " these people have sacrificed the wel-being of the nation for the wel-being of two individuals.

What seperates the men from the boys is the price of their toys----their dreams to be at the top---their desire to make it happen----to do a selfless job which would leave a legacy behind for the coming generations to see and cherish. Sadly and tragically my motherland has none in sight. I mean to say that it is running on auto pilot right now and we are just being moving along, but today we truly need a visionary who could take the right kind of actions, provide us with some kind of justice, put a foot on the crime and make a difference. People will come home in due time.

Mastan,

Good post! A couple of things to clarify in my humble opinion:

Pakistani justice system has created another menace-----blood money------you forgive the criminal and you can go scott free. How is that possible?

I do not think that this is a Pakistani penal code issue. It is actually the sharia component which allows for blood money to be paid. This has worked in the past and can work if the fines and implementation is done to the letter.
I.E. someone commits murder then they pay up and pay up a lot of money.

On the issue of Musharraf being a jello etc., with regards to meting out justice, I think this problem goes beyond Musharraf. It is not possible for a few people sitting at the very top (and that too on shaky ground) to make the whole country follow the spirit of the law and in case of infractions, deliver exemplary punishment....in our country, the ***** does not understand this...and the ***** not only includes the ones committing the crime, but also the law enforcers.

So we have a long way to go before we educate our people so they can clearly make distinctions between good or bad causes on their own and not get brainwashed by the village mullah. In addition to this, the government should also have the courage to say no to outside pressure while at the same time enforcing the rule of law....currently both of the factors are nowhere in play.

 

[Always Neutral]

Mastan,

Good post! A couple of things to clarify in my humble opinion:

So we have a long way to go before we educate our people so they can clearly make distinctions between good or bad causes on their own and not get brainwashed by the village mullah. In addition to this, the government should also have the courage to say no to outside pressure while at the same time enforcing the rule of law....currently both of the factors are nowhere in play.

Blain your post is also very hands on and the only thing you have not explained is what has the leadership been doing for the last 60 years to implement sound ideas such as yours ? After all its not rocket science.

Regards