How to limit the influence of the Pakistan Army

[DhotiMeinDhamaka]

Thie Pakistani culture which includes habits, social behaviours and inclinations is extremely defected. It starts with "tu menu jandaa nhe" in school colleges, mohallas, that then goes up in different gov insituations and the army. If you ever lived in Pakistan you already know people have this habit of overpowering others (sometimes without any reason). This is the thing Army gets as inheritance and uses it at a much bigger level. They have overpowered every other institution from business to security, from politics to policy-making, they are everywhere. I dont think army and their families will easily give up the privileges which "tu menu janda nhe system" bestows on them. If we are to limit the influence of the army we need to first work to uproot this system at grassroot level, which may take a long time, may be 100 years, to bear fruits.

 

[One_Nation]

To control the pak army we must control the generals and bring them under the law.
Generals are meant to be psycopaths in uniforms who are willing to go to any length to achieve their goals. They are trained to be cunning, manipulative bull terriers who have to be kept on a leash or they will destroy everything.
This is true for all Generals of the world, the only difference in Pak generals is they don't have a collar on their neck tied to a leash.
For this reason I never trust anything our Jernails say, even their rage and anger is fake. Silently, Pakistani generals must be laughing after starting chaos and see people take sides. Our generals love chaos so they can play their games.

 

[Enigma SIG]

File a petition in western states requesting details of their properties. Then find them and burn them down.

 

[General Dong]

Someone said, "Pakistan army, the only army to never win a war, but never lose an election".... made me chuckle

 

[ghazi52]

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[DhotiMeinDhamaka]

To control the pak army we must control the generals and bring them under the law.
Generals are meant to be psycopaths in uniforms who are willing to go to any length to achieve their goals. They are trained to be cunning, manipulative bull terriers who have to be kept on a leash or they will destroy everything.
This is true for all Generals of the world, the only difference in Pak generals is they don't have a collar on their neck tied to a leash.
For this reason I never trust anything our Jernails say, even their rage and anger is fake. Silently, Pakistani generals must be laughing after starting chaos and see people take sides. Our generals love chaos so they can play their games.

How to control the generals? You have not said anything on that. I would suggest these steps :

2-Raise your voice against the human rights violations happening in Baluchistan, KPK and now Punjab.

4-Make laws to limit the business of the army through parliament.

6-Remain peaceful and never resort to violence. This will give "tu menu janda nhe" guys an excuse to kill your movement through unlawful means like the ones we have seen after 9th May. Meethii churri should be used instead of head on confrontation.

Edit: I have removed point no 1 and 6, dirty herry might find it offensive and catch me.

Edit 2: removed a part of point no 3, dirty herry might find that offensive too.
Edit 3 : Had to remove point no 3, that might had landed me in a trouble since i am in pak.

Someone said, "Pakistan army, the only army to never win a war, but never lose an election".... made me chuckle

Someone said " No one can beat Pakistani army in Pakistan, except Indian armed forces". They even brought them to knees.

 

[Azadkashmir]

make sure jenral is not pist from drinking too much muttar whiskey.

 

[Olympus81]

They have been exposed in the eyes of public.

Few years of being bone naked in the eyes of public and they’d be a goner.

Its quite clear they cant take the pressure.

 

[delta2]

The PMLN, PPP, JUI etc are actual bulwarka of anti-Pakistan forces and entities. They provide the enemies a deep cover. Given that reality, the Pakistan military not keeping an eye on this group of scum would be suicidal.

It seems although that the anti-Pakistan military propaganda has begun to work.

The fools actually believe that Nawaz Sharif not behind all of this!

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

A few Suggestions:

Removing ISI From under the Influence of the Army Chief alone will have drastic effects. The ways we could do this are:

• Blanket Bain on Military Officials from having and High level posts with ISI. Basically give the Control to Civilians.
• Only Appoint DGs from Airforce and Navy
• Appoint from the Army but with the condition that the chosen General must retire before taking charge thus removing any power the COAS Holds over a serving commissioned officer as DG ISI.

In this way ISI will be its own Independent Institution competing with army for influence rather than collaborating with it. Similar to How Pentagon and Langley Operate.


Restructuring of the Role and Powers granted to COAS and CJCS with transfer of power from COAS, To CJCS and CJCS Should rotate between all branches of military.


Complete Abolition of the following laws that they have misused.

• Army Act
• Official Secret Act
• MPO
• Section 144

 

[DhotiMeinDhamaka]

A few Suggestions:

Removing ISI From under the Influence of the Army Chief alone will have drastic effects. The ways we could do this are:

• Blanket Bain on Military Officials from having and High level posts with ISI. Basically give the Control to Civilians.
• Only Appoint DGs from Airforce and Navy
• Appoint from the Army but with the condition that the chosen General must retire before taking charge thus removing any power the COAS Holds over a serving commissioned officer as DG ISI.

In this way ISI will be its own Independent Institution competing with army for influence rather than collaborating with it. Similar to How Pentagon and Langley Operate.


Restructuring of the Role and Powers granted to COAS and CJCS with transfer of power from COAS, To CJCS and CJCS Should rotate between all branches of military.


Complete Abolition of the following laws that they have misused.

• Army Act
• Official Secret Act
• MPO
• Section 144

Good suggestions, but we are witness of the treatment independent insitiations like NAB and Election commission got at the hands of patloon army. Do you think ISI with civilians at helm would be able to withstand the pressure of patloon army?

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Good suggestions, but we are witness of the treatment independent insitiations like NAB and Election commission got at the hands of patloon army. Do you think ISI with civilians at helm would be able to withstand the pressure of patloon army?

Intelligence is what they use to coerce these institutions to do their bidding. Making the Institute independent of COAS will be a counterweight to COAS power. A retired General/AM/Admiral won't give a flying Fcuk what COAS thinks and his plans. COAS holds influence over DG ISIs because all of them go back to the service and COAS gets to decide who gets cosy appointments and Corps.

Even now most of the ISI is made up civies Military officials get deputised in ISI for short periods of time. Do you really think these FA pass baboons have the intellectuall capacity to run an organization such as ISI. What you see is just Internal wing which is dominated by army personnels because COAS uses them for his dealings with other institutions and coersion. ISI as a organization is huge almost all it's deputy directors who control different wings of the organization were at one point a few years ago were civies. It's actually the Military officers who are holding back ISI from its true potential.

 

[AA_]

I don’t think this military is capable of winning any wars, maybe they are fully aware of this and want to just extract as much as possible from the rest of Pakistan to sustain their living standards. The epic corruption is to line their pockets and keep their supporters happy. I’m a soldier and I haven’t seen such an unprofessional force that treats its own country in such a disgusting manner for personal gains. A proud military would’ve had 45k shaheeds in east Pakistan instead of pows. A proud Muslim army would have gone to war with the lone supper after 9/11 instead of selling their iman and citizens.

They carpet bombed so many Pakistani villages from 2003 to 2007, creating so many anti Pakistani fighters (TTP). All to increase their business empire. I’m convinced they colluded with the Indians in 02/2019 just like how they colluded with the Americans during bin Laden raid.

I’m seen their attitude to enemy’s transgression - miti pao. This army has no understanding the impacts it has on their respect and well standing in the international community.

The Indians smell blood and will do everything to boil the current crisis, while the Indian erstwhile ally, the US works in cahoots with the bindus to continue to push GHQ to further their oppression knowing damn well the results will be a fractious Pakistan and possibly an opportunity to nuclear de-arm. It’s actually very easy if you think you about it.

Present a large sum of cash to the generals and tell them to hand over the whereabouts of the nukes and present them the current situation. Work them over like you’re dealing with a semi retarded person. It’s too easy.

I don’t want any bloodshed unless it’s the pajeets next door and maybe some Kabuli Afghan, but I say to IK, keep fighting and pushing. Either we live one day as a lion or 100 years as hyenas, it’s our choice. Take a stand against the Dajjal institution that had the backing of the powerful because they see us as nothing more than slaves.

 

[DhotiMeinDhamaka]

I don’t think this military is capable of winning any wars, maybe they are fully aware of this and want to just extract as much as possible from the rest of Pakistan to sustain their living standards. The epic corruption is to line their pockets and keep their supporters happy. I’m a soldier and I haven’t seen such an unprofessional force that treats its own country in such a disgusting manner for personal gains. A proud military would’ve had 45k shaheeds in east Pakistan instead of pows. A proud Muslim army would have gone to war with the lone supper after 9/11 instead of selling their iman and citizens.

They carpet bombed so many Pakistani villages from 2003 to 2007, creating so many anti Pakistani fighters (TTP). All to increase their business empire. I’m convinced they colluded with the Indians in 02/2019 just like how they colluded with the Americans during bin Laden raid.

I’m seen their attitude to enemy’s transgression - miti pao. This army has no understanding the impacts it has on their respect and well standing in the international community.

The Indians smell blood and will do everything to boil the current crisis, while the Indian erstwhile ally, the US works in cahoots with the bindus to continue to push GHQ to further their oppression knowing damn well the results will be a fractious Pakistan and possibly an opportunity to nuclear de-arm. It’s actually very easy if you think you about it.

Present a large sum of cash to the generals and tell them to hand over the whereabouts of the nukes and present them the current situation. Work them over like you’re dealing with a semi retarded person. It’s too easy.

I don’t want any bloodshed unless it’s the pajeets next door and maybe some Kabuli Afghan, but I say to IK, keep fighting and pushing. Either we live one day as a lion or 100 years as hyenas, it’s our choice. Take a stand against the Dajjal institution that had the backing of the powerful because they see us as nothing more than slaves.

This is the best thing i have read today. Excellent analysis!

 

[Goritoes]

Hang top leadership, hang a couple of them once and save Pakistan for generations.