How to kill F-22

[killerx]

f22 is expensive hig tech crap and amarican cant afford to built more dead for now

 

[Ajaxpaul]

F22 is a wonderful bird like the blackbird and Concorde.

Such a pity to end the program.

 

[tvsram1992]

You can't kill what you can't see

But LRTR radars and advanced SAMs can see F22 . Shoulder fired SAMs can kill F22 as any way F22's need to come to strike the target .

 

[MehrotraPrince]

F-22 is a failed Project but still a Successful fighter aircraft and currently Best aircraft in the world.

You can beat a single F-22, but that will depend on how much you are willing to pay in terms of your military equipments, manpower and money.

 

[anonymus]

But LRTR radars and advanced SAMs can see F22 . Shoulder fired SAMs can kill F22 as any way F22's need to come to strike the target .

Shoulder fire sams cannot kill even a mig 21 unless the pilot is flying in ground hugging mode let alone F22.

LRTR radar would be dead before it detects F22.

 

[Don Jaguar]

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

may be the rafale can shot down a f22 with it's mica IR and spectra combination.But that if the rumours of Bvr missiles reliability (30%-50% success rate I guess) in the past combats stands true for today also. one can argue that today bvr missiles with ramjet propulsion and new seekers are more reliable but my question is can't we say that the counter measures also have improved. I have one more doubt how successfuly can the enemy jam the data link between fighter and a awac..? I mean what will be the probability of success ?.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Apparently rain compromises the stealth material on the Raptors. This was reported a few years ago atleast, maybe it has been rectified since then.

 

[gambit]

Apparently rain compromises the stealth material on the Raptors. This was reported a few years ago atleast, maybe it has been rectified since then.

No...It was mistakenly INTERPRETED and that mistake came from a false understanding of basic radar detection principles. And please do not drag up that Rachel Maddow video. That was one of the many relays of that false understanding. It was deliberately designed for gullible people, which is most here, and not for those who have relevant experience in the field.

 

[tvsram1992]

Shoulder fire sams cannot kill even a mig 21 unless the pilot is flying in ground hugging mode let alone F22.
LRTR radar would be dead before it detects F22.

While shoulder fire anti aircraft missiles can hit targets as long as 4km-8km , since f22 will use bombs to neutralize the targets it needs to come close to it . It needs to come with in a radius of 500m to attack the target successfully .
Oh please dont be so foolish LRTRs will have lot of counter attack measures and its not possible to destroy them so easily

 

[MilSpec]

Is that all you got to respond to your exposure of being such an intellectually dishonest person?


Within VISUAL range? Sure...

Raptor debuts at Red Flag, dominates skies

Still want to play?


Yes we will. What do you think all this hoopla about the OBOGS is for? Try to be consistent.

Sure , F22 is the greatest ever, Field it against a Su 30 in WVR at any neutral venue, and lets see the outcome? just one on one

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Why can't people accept raptor is nigh unbeatable atm,its not as if its always going to stay that way.In case SAMS are ur best bet.Especially high end anti stealth ones like s-300.

 

[Thomas]

first it is a matter of who is a better pilot
second the f 22 can be destroyed from the ground (air defence ) if your fighters can maneuver and survive the bvr missiles you can pull the f 22 to the range of ground air defence
or if you have bvr you can win by numbers face the f 22 with much cheaper jets and much more
that is if you are defending

Your theory sounds good on paper but in reality BVR missiles agianst an F-22 won't work. Your problem is first having a radar capable of detecting it. Which considering its RCS value the radar in question needs to be able to distinguish something smaller then a hummingbird through all the background clutter of the radar. then it has to lock on with the missile which the ECW suite in the F-22 is actively countering. This is why F-15 pilots report that they can't get radar locks before they can visually see the F-22 and by then it's to late.

There is one aircraft that can give the F-22 a run for it's money. And that is the F-35 with it's more advanced electronics and radar. The F-35 electronics test bed aircraft (CAT Bird) in testing has been able to detect and engage 2 F-22's at range disabling them both.

 

[Birbal]

All crap. All will die without knowing where the shots came from.

Is this some computer game where the F-22 gets to have multiple missile reloads? It cannot kill all of them. It only has so much ammunition, and only the AMRAAMs can be used by the F-22 at a safe distance. As for not knowing where the aircraft is, that's just false. The F-22 is clearly visible to the naked eye, its stealth shaping and RAM is too small to be able to affect long wavelengths, and its all-aspect IR signature is still very large. All of this is due to basic physical constraints.

Your theory sounds good on paper but in reality BVR missiles agianst an F-22 won't work. Your problem is first having a radar capable of detecting it. Which considering its RCS value the radar in question needs to be able to distinguish something smaller then a hummingbird through all the background clutter of the radar. then it has to lock on with the missile which the ECW suite in the F-22 is actively countering. This is why F-15 pilots report that they can't get radar locks before they can visually see the F-22 and by then it's to late.

There is one aircraft that can give the F-22 a run for it's money. And that is the F-35 with it's more advanced electronics and radar. The F-35 electronics test bed aircraft (CAT Bird) in testing has been able to detect and engage 2 F-22's at range disabling them both.

The F-22 does not have an RCS smaller than a hummingbird. It has a frontal x-band RCS the size of a metal marble. And there aren't very many metal marbles traveling at hundreds of knots in the sky. Locking on with the missile against the ECW suite is definitely very hard (in fact probably impossible), but most modern radars and missiles have home on jam modes that can lock on to the ECW suite itself. The F-15 pilots were probably flying older models without modern electronically scanning radars.

That said, I wouldn't bank on being able to engage an F-22 in BVR combat, unless with infrared missiles using an optical locator system (something which the F-15, F-16, F-18, and F-22 do not have, unlike the F-14D, F-35, and all modern Russian aircraft).

The trick is to be able to engage the F-22 in WVR combat, and there are plenty of tricks you can use to prevent the F-22 from being able to shoot you down BVR.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

The trick is to be able to engage the F-22 in WVR combat, and there are plenty of tricks you can use to prevent the F-22 from being able to shoot you down BVR.

russian su 35 can do this maneuvering untill they close in for the kill

besides numbers can count f 22 is expensive and cant be mass produced