How the fear of PAF caused Indian Gnat to crash

[PoKeMon]

Because of Limited capabilities and the FEAR that IA and IAF would turn their
attention to West Pakistan after having liberated East Pakistan

They were preserving themselves for an Indian invasion which did not happen
except for a few battles

That was also the fear of USA which sent in a threat to India NOT to invade West Pakistan

The fact was these west pakistanis and their forces were saving their a$$es and had accepted that east pakistan is gone. They never considered black bengali speaking population as one of them. They were coward enough not to fight on western front with India and keep on giving excuses that east pakistan is so far.

Why guys like @Windjammer forget that India was their enemy and they dont have to attack India where India is attacking them? They were next to us in west but did nothing out of fear of losing west pakistan as well.

yes few fanboys like @Windjammer were busy writing stories to feed self egoes which went on toss after 90K mard e momins chose to surrender rather than die fighting.

What else they could have done seeing the cowardice of PAF and PA?

 

[Windjammer]

They'll come up with pathetic excuses, like East Pakistan was a thousand miles away - when the reality is that east Pakistan was ZERO miles away from Pakistan, since it was part of Pakistan. If they didn't allocate their resources judiciously, or fortify half their country properly, who's fault is that? Is that any excuse?

Besides, geography should have been a boon to them - they had the opportunity to make India fight a two front war. They formulated a ridiculous doctrine, that the "Defence of the east lies in the west" - ie, they will be so brave and fierce in the west that India will not gain int he east either. That stupid doctrine came to a grinding halt at Longewala, when their sword arm - their armoured and mechanized forces were routed and sent back to where they came from. The west couldn't put any serious offensive action, and the east - well, East Pakistan ceased to exist.

But oh, their pilots are so superior, one Pakistani pilot = 10 Indian pilots. That theory still applies to the air force, although not anymore to the army.


Yep. There it is. Who's fault is that? If your war planners couldn't allocate their resources properly, is that something to boast about?

And who's fault is it for forming a country with such a ludicrous geography, with the hope that religion would be enough to keep it together? That's what happens when you form a country (quite literally) on a hope and a prayer.

Yup cherry picking indeed...... Even in the East, Pakistan was fighting a two front war, with regular Indian army on the border and with Muktis on the home turf. It may have been badly planned without the preparations and benefit of reinforcements, but i would like to see any army fight and win in this situation, be it the Americans in Vietnam, Soviets in Afghanistan or as in the current conflicts happening in Iraq or again Afghanistan.
It was only due to the Muktis that India managed to capitalize on the situation otherwise we all know how difficult it is for IA to suppress a few hundred fighters in IOK.......the local support is the link.

 

[janon]

teri auqat dhik rahi jammed wind.

Tell me if you have any shame, why didn't PA and PAF goes full out on western sector?
...

They did. But it didn't amount to much. What they thought was a roaring lion, turned out to be a mewing cat.

They tried their best to attack from the west, believing that to be the best way to defend the east. Their attacks on the west were easily beaten back, and the east was conquered and liberated.

They sent a ferocious armoured assault into India, but 2,000 of them were thwarted by 120 men at Longewala, and then routed and decimated by the IAF. PAF, as usual, was MIA. Sitting home and composing odes about how great they are. Ditto in the Kargil war.

But oh, their air force is so great, Indians will be vanquished if the PAF comes to the fight. But out of the geneosity of their hearts, they always fail to appear for the fight. Not out of cowardice, Oh No Sir - out of mercy. In Kargil too, when their ground forces who started the war were getting bombed to smithereens, they generously stayed put in their bases.

. It may have been badly planned without the preparations and benefit of reinforcements, but i would like to see any army fight and win in this situation,

The point is to not get into such a situation in the first place. That's where something between the ears of the military brass would have helped. Instead of myths about their martial prowess, if they had valued brains...

The USA was not cut into two by Afghans or Vietnam, so stop trying to equate their wars and yours. They were fighting half a planet away, you were fighting at home. They did destroy the taliban govt and install their own chosen regime. Even if they failed, their country is intact - unlike yours, which went bye-bye.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The fact was these west pakistanis and their forces were saving their a$$es and had accepted that east pakistan is gone. They never considered black bengali speaking population as one of them. They were coward enough not to fight on western front with India and keep on giving excuses that east pakistan is so far.

Why guys like @Windjammer forget that India was their enemy and they dont have to attack India where India is attacking them? They were next to us in west but did nothing out of fear of losing west pakistan as well.

yes few fanboys like @Windjammer were busy writing stories to feed self egoes which went on toss after 90K mard e momins chose to surrender rather than die fighting.

What else they could have done seeing the cowardice of PAF and PA?

The NUMEROUS Posts and Analysis that we see by @Windjammer on PAF's successes in 65 and 71
are nothing but an escape from reality

That Ghalib couplet " Dil Bahlane ke liye Khayal Achhca hai " describes Windjammer's posts

 

[Jf Thunder]

i see he has collected his many Indian freinds to gang up on Windy

here is the topic:
WE DIDNT SAY THAT WE WON 1971
WE DIDNT SAY THAT OUR AIR FORCE BEAT THE SH*T OUT OF THE IAF
HE JUST SAID THAT A GNAT CRASHED DURING THE WAR, OUT OF FEAR AND MISCALCULATION OF A NON EXISTENT PAKISTANI AERIAL ATTACK
why can you not digest this one event? we had our own glorious moments in the 71 war, so no need to get butthurt when we remember them

 

[PoKeMon]

They did. But it didn't amount to much. What they thought was a roaring lion, turned out to be a mewing cat.

They tried their best to attack from the west, believing that to be the best way to defend the east. Their attacks on the west were easily beaten back, and the east was conquered and liberated.

They sent a ferocious armoured assault into India, but 2,000 of them were thwarted by 120 men at Longewala, and then routed and decimated by the IAF. PAF, as usual, was MIA. Sitting home and composing odes about how great they are. Ditto in the Kargil war.

But oh, their air force is so great, Indians will be vanquished if the PAF comes to the fight. But out of the geneosity of their hearts, they always fail to appear for the fight. Not out of cowardice, Oh No Sir - out of mercy. In Kargil too, when their ground forces who started the war were getting bombed to smithereens, they generously stayed put in their bases.




The point is to not get into such a situation in the first place. That's where something between the ears of the military brass would have helped. Instead of myths about their martial prowess, if they had valued brains...

The USA was not cut into two by Afghans or Vietnam, so stop trying to equate their wars and yours. They were fighting half a planet away, you were fighting at home. They did destroy the taliban govt and install their own chosen regime. Even if they failed, their country is intact - unlike yours, which went bye-bye.

The notion was - safety of east lies in west.

But when the time came, @Windjammer forces start preserving themselves.

But then he got the guts to tell how fearsome PAF and PA was in 71.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

HE JUST SAID THAT A GNAT CRASHED DURING THE WAR, OUT OF FEAR AND MISCALCULATION OF A NON EXISTENT PAKISTANI AERIAL ATTACK

The Title thread says the FEAR of PAF

When a thread is started on such FALSE Claims it will become a slinging match

 

[janon]

The notion was - safety of east lies in west.

But when the time came, @Windjammer forces start preserving themselves.

But then he got the guts to tell how fearsome PAF and PA was in 71.

Yep, I addressed that idiotic doctrine in my previous and subsequent posts. That's where military brass with brains would ave helped, instead of a military brass that sang odes to themselves about being ten times better than their enemy and so on. If their military people had brains instead of martial myths, they would not have adopted such an idiotic doctrine. But now that idiocy itself is an excuse.

 

[PoKeMon]

i see he has collected his many Indian freinds to gang up on Windy

here is the topic:
WE DIDNT SAY THAT WE WON 1971
WE DIDNT SAY THAT OUR AIR FORCE BEAT THE SH*T OUT OF THE IAF
HE JUST SAID THAT A GNAT CRASHED DURING THE WAR, OUT OF FEAR AND MISCALCULATION OF A NON EXISTENT PAKISTANI AERIAL ATTACK
why can you not digest this one event? we had our own glorious moments in the 71 war, so no need to get butthurt when we remember them

You might not have said anything but the posting trend of windy suggest so. And of course his intentions.

Just ask him, or rather you tell me, why didn't PA and PAF went all out offensive against India on western corridor in response to indian invasion of east pakistan?

Considering how much scared IAF and IA was that they were crashing seeing merely sight of PAF outdated planes.

Fear of PAF --- my foot.

 

[janon]

i see he has collected his many Indian freinds to gang up on Windy

here is the topic:
WE DIDNT SAY THAT WE WON 1971
WE DIDNT SAY THAT OUR AIR FORCE BEAT THE SH*T OUT OF THE IAF
HE JUST SAID THAT A GNAT CRASHED DURING THE WAR, OUT OF FEAR AND MISCALCULATION OF A NON EXISTENT PAKISTANI AERIAL ATTACK
why can you not digest this one event? we had our own glorious moments in the 71 war, so no need to get butthurt when we remember them

Because of Windjammer's track record. His history of myth making about glorious PAF pilots scaring Indians. He even made up an ATC report of one F-16 scaring 2 MKIs away during Kargil and so on.

 

[PoKeMon]

Yep, I addressed that idiotic doctrine in my previous and subsequent posts. That's where military brass with brains would ave helped, instead of a military brass that sang odes to themselves about being ten times better than their enemy and so on. If their military people had brains instead of martial myths, they would not have adopted such an idiotic doctrine. But now that idiocy itself is an excuse.

East pakistan was nothing but a colony of superior race of west pakistani.

People like windy were just fooling the population.

 

[Jf Thunder]

You might not have said anything but the posting trend of windy suggest so. And of course his intentions.

Just ask him, or rather you tell me, why didn't PA and PAF went all out offensive against India on western corridor in response to indian invasion of east pakistan?

Considering how much scared IAF and IA was that they were crashing seeing merely sight of PAF outdated planes.

Fear of PAF --- my foot.

what is wrong with your comprehension? are you stupid?
I SAID ONE EVENT
ONE ONE ONE
this doesnt mean that all the IAF's planes were falling from the skies like flies at the sight of PAF

 

[Stephen Cohen]

why can you not digest this one event? we had our own glorious moments in the 71 war, so no need to get butthurt when we remember them

Of course you had several good few moments in 1971
Nobody denies this ; In a war there are losses on BOTH sides

Every loss of a Tank ; A plane and above all an Indian Soldier was Pakistani success

But there is a METHOD and a pattern to @Windjammer 's Analyses on PAF's and IAF 's
performance in 1965 and 1971

 

[Jf Thunder]

The Title thread says the FEAR of PAF

When a thread is started on such FALSE Claims it will become a slinging match

cuz we are remembering one event in which the fear of PAF DID cause a plane to crash

 

[PoKeMon]

what is wrong with your comprehension? are you stupid?
I SAID ONE EVENT
ONE ONE ONE
this doesnt mean that all the IAF's planes were falling from the skies like flies at the sight of PAF

Just see the title idiot.

PAF fear -- my foot.

And our discussion had moved on, just follow that and see what he is boasting about in his posts. Its not all about only OP.