How the fear of PAF caused Indian Gnat to crash

[third eye]

Feel Good week... again ?

 

[xTra]

@Windjammer

I have never seen you posting any thing on Kargill War.

 

[Windjammer]

I thought you would come up with better rant.

Tell me why India opened a front on IB and attacked Lahore why they could have just contend them with fighting on LoC?

It was not a war on East Pakistan only but a war on Pakistan. Pakistan should have responded back and hurt India where it could i.e. on western corridor, rather than throwing excuses of its cowardice.

Your PA and PAF kept on watching pakistan break in 71.

There you go blabbering and mixing Apples and Oranges.
The war in East Pakistan had started in earnest in last weeks of November with several encounters between the two forces and it wasn't India which opened the front in the West, but the PAF, by launching strikes on Indian airbases on 3rd December........ go learn the history first rather than wasting space with one liners.

 

[nForce]

There you go blabbering and mixing Apples and Oranges.
The war in East Pakistan had started in earnest in last weeks of November with several encounters between the two forces and it wasn't India which opened the front in the West, but the PAF, by launching strikes on Indian airbases on 3rd December........ go learn the history first rather than wasting space with one liners.

and still they could do nothing to stop Pakistan from getting divided. Pakistan lost the war in the West, lost it in the East and lost it on sea as well. What good is your PAF if it cannot get the job done ?

 

[PoKeMon]

There you go blabbering and mixing Apples and Oranges.
The war in East Pakistan had started in earnest in last weeks of November with several encounters between the two forces and it wasn't India which opened the front in the West, but the PAF, by launching strikes on Indian airbases on 3rd December........ go learn the history first rather than wasting space with one liners.

Bla bla bla..

Just tell me in simple yes or no -

Did PA and PAF response on western corridor met the need of hour when pakistan was on verge of falling?

Or they simply save their a$$es saying they can not help forces in East pakistan?

If I were pakistan, I would have opened an all out offense on western border to inflict maximum damage on Indian forces and forcing them to put max of their resources on western border. That would have slowed down advances in east pakistan and would have given supporters of pakistan enough time to bring on ceasefire.

Pathetic logic from you.

and still they could do nothing to stop Pakistan from getting divided. Pakistan lost the war in the West, lost it in the East and lost it on sea as well. What good is your PAF if it cannot get the job done ?

They were conserving them for bigger war.

What a force PAF is, right @Windjammer ?

 

[Windjammer]

I see the hunting pack is out in force.
When you people have nothing to stand on then drag in all other nonsense to salvage your (non) pride.
Alas the topic, The bottom line is Indian pilot was scared of out his brain thinking PAF aircraft were about to shoot him down, this too right above his own airbase. period.

 

[PoKeMon]

I see the hunting pack is out in force.
When you people have nothing to stand on then drag in all other nonsense to salvage your (non) pride.
Alas the topic, The bottom line is Indian pilot was scared of out his brain thinking PAF aircraft were about to shoot him down, this too right above his own airbase. period.

Got jammed

Better talk about the cowardice of your own force dude.

 

[Windjammer]

Got jammed

Better talk about the cowardice of your own force dude.

Why don't you spill your brains and enlighten us all as apart from limited operations in Kargil (no air opposition) where else did the IAF perform. In fact the so called Agni Pankh repeatedly got it's tail burned.
BTW, this is an open forum, no need to bring your table manners here.

Feel Good week... again ?

Surprised, we never see any such intellectual comments when some Indian poster posts on Siachen, 1971 war or Kargil conflict.....you will find a few in this very section.

@Windjammer

I have never seen you posting any thing on Kargill War.

I may have not opened a thread on it but certainly contributed to the subject topic.

 

[PoKeMon]

Why don't you spill your brains and enlighten us all as apart from limited operations in Kargil (no air opposition) where else did the IAF perform. In fact the so called Agni Pankh repeatedly got it's tail burned.
BTW, this is an open forum, no need to bring your table manners here.

Wind got jammed again?

Did kargil cause India divided in 2 while IAF keep on watching like cowards as did by PAF in 71?

Just tell me what PA and PAF was doing while pakistan was falling in 71? And then comes a windy boasting about how PAF can finish off IAF by just scaring us off.

@xTra @third eye @janon @nForce @SpArK

Can you guys ask @Windjammer why didn't PA and PAF attack India on western corridor in response to Indian invasion of east pakistan? The way this guy shows them brave, what was the reason of cowardice shown by PAF in 71? Did they save their a$$ hiding behind "we cant help east pakistan" rant? Who stopped going all offensive on India in western sector?

He is not telling me for the reason I lack table manners. Please ask him on my behalf and with sincerity. He may then tell us why the brave PAF which can shoot down Indian planes without firing a missile chose to do nothing and see pakistan falling. Please do.

 

[Windjammer]

Wind got jammed again?

Did kargil cause India divided in 2 while IAF keep on watching like cowards as did by PAF in 71?

Just tell me what PA and PAF was doing while pakistan was falling in 71? And then comes a windy boasting about how PAF can finish off IAF by just scaring us off.

@xTra @third eye @janon @nForce @SpArK

Can you guys ask @Windjammer why didn't PA and PAF attack India on western corridor in response to Indian invasion of east pakistan? The way this guy shows them brave, what was the reason of cowardice shown by PAF in 71? Did they save their a$$ hiding behind "we cant help east pakistan" rant? Who stopped going all offensive on India in western sector?

He is not telling me for the reason I lack table manners. Please ask him on my behalf and with sincerity. He may then tell us why the brave PAF which can shoot down Indian planes without firing a missile chose to do nothing and see pakistan falling. Please do.

Thank you for proving my point, you are just a gas bag, now that i have busted you, you have decided to show your true Auqat by being abusive and calling back up to save your wounded pride.
Anyone with some grey matter would acknowledge that under no circumstances, Pakistan was able to support it's forces in the East, but then you are an exception who doesn't want to address the topic at hand but would rather escape elsewhere to hide the bloody nose. Since you obviously lack any comprehension and moral values. answer me this, didn't PAF continue the air war right up until 17 December. What stopped Indira Gandhi from fulfilling her goals in the West. Now come back with more verbal diarrhea.

 

[janon]

Wind got jammed again?

Did kargil cause India divided in 2 while IAF keep on watching like cowards as did by PAF in 71?

Just tell me what PA and PAF was doing while pakistan was falling in 71? And then comes a windy boasting about how PAF can finish off IAF by just scaring us off.

@xTra @third eye @janon @nForce @SpArK

Can you guys ask @Windjammer why didn't PA and PAF attack India on western corridor in response to Indian invasion of east pakistan? The way this guy shows them brave, what was the reason of cowardice shown by PAF in 71? Did they save their a$$ hiding behind "we cant help east pakistan" rant? Who stopped going all offensive on India in western sector?

He is not telling me for the reason I lack table manners. Please ask him on my behalf and with sincerity. He may then tell us why the brave PAF which can shoot down Indian planes without firing a missile chose to do nothing and see pakistan falling. Please do.

They'll come up with pathetic excuses, like East Pakistan was a thousand miles away - when the reality is that east Pakistan was ZERO miles away from Pakistan, since it was part of Pakistan. If they didn't allocate their resources judiciously, or fortify half their country properly, who's fault is that? Is that any excuse?

Besides, geography should have been a boon to them - they had the opportunity to make India fight a two front war. They formulated a ridiculous doctrine, that the "Defence of the east lies in the west" - ie, they will be so brave and fierce in the west that India will not gain int he east either. That stupid doctrine came to a grinding halt at Longewala, when their sword arm - their armoured and mechanized forces were routed and sent back to where they came from. The west couldn't put any serious offensive action, and the east - well, East Pakistan ceased to exist.

But oh, their pilots are so superior, one Pakistani pilot = 10 Indian pilots. That theory still applies to the air force, although not anymore to the army.

Anyone with some grey matter would acknowledge that under no circumstances, Pakistan was able to support it's forces in the East,

Yep. There it is. Who's fault is that? If your war planners couldn't allocate their resources properly, is that something to boast about?

And who's fault is it for forming a country with such a ludicrous geography, with the hope that religion would be enough to keep it together? That's what happens when you form a country (quite literally) on a hope and a prayer.

 

[nForce]

Wind got jammed again?
Can you guys ask @Windjammer why didn't PA and PAF attack India on western corridor in response to Indian invasion of east pakistan? The way this guy shows them brave, what was the reason of cowardice shown by PAF in 71? Did they save their a$$ hiding behind "we cant help east pakistan" rant? Who stopped going all offensive on India in western sector?

He is not telling me for the reason I lack table manners. Please ask him on my behalf and with sincerity. He may then tell us why the brave PAF which can shoot down Indian planes without firing a missile chose to do nothing and see pakistan falling. Please do.

They attacked... As a matter of fact they were the first to open up the Western front and they failed, yet again...Business as usual..

@Windjammer You are at it as usual, trying to cherry-pick incidents and then trying to pat your own back. Ofcourse related matters will come up and you just cannot call them off topic just because they don't let you have your 15 minutes of fame.

Any singular incident can never be quoted as a proof of your theory. That thing comes up when you take a look at the matter from a holistic point of view.

An Indian Gnat crashed during war..Are you sure that no Pakistani jet crashed as well ? And if you want to quote that incident then you should be able to answer what was PA/PAF actually doing when IA/IAF was having a field day in scores of other places ? If PA or PAF is so great that Indian jets drop from sky just by looking at them, how did they manage to loose ?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Windjammer

In both 1965 and 1971 IAF was bigger in size BUT PAF had better planes

But still PAF lost to IAF ; PAF could not influence the OUTCOME of Both wars

PAF did win a few battles but lost the war

 

[PoKeMon]

Thank you for proving my point, you are just a gas bag, now that i have busted you, you have decided to show your true Auqat by being abusive and calling back up to save your wounded pride.
Anyone with some grey matter would acknowledge that under no circumstances, Pakistan was able to support it's forces in the East, but then you are an exception who doesn't want to address the topic at hand but would rather escape elsewhere to hide the bloody nose. Since you obviously lack any comprehension and moral values. answer me this, didn't PAF continue the air war right up until 17 December. What stopped Indira Gandhi from fulfilling her goals in the West. Now come back with more verbal diarrhea.

teri auqat dhik rahi jammed wind.

Tell me if you have any shame, why didn't PA and PAF goes full out on western sector?

Tell me one good reason apart from known cowardice, which was shown by the fellowmen when they surrender.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Tell me if you have any shame, why didn't PA and PAF goes full out on western sector?

Because of Limited capabilities and the FEAR that IA and IAF would turn their
attention to West Pakistan after having liberated East Pakistan

They were preserving themselves for an Indian invasion which did not happen
except for a few battles

That was also the fear of USA which sent in a threat to India NOT to invade West Pakistan