How some Muslims behave in adopted countries

[Al-zakir]

From what i can gather from this piece is that the writer is getting married to non muslim (they guy she is getting married to may well be a muslim, but his son isn't from this article)

I therefore put this question to her, how did she meet her husband to be? Was she dating (is this unislamic etc)

Being a british muslim, i don't think she can go on about muslims behaviour. She says its all about integration, integration to what extent, go to pubs/clubs etc. If so she is a hypocrite herself calling herself a muslim.

I put it to her, question your own behaviour and beliefs first women before considering others.

Thank you for highlighting this important info about the author. Even though it's her personal matter to marry a non muslim but she actually lost all credibilty to make any commenst on islamic matter. Her whole life is based on haram concept thus no need to listen to her BS. It's only the Liberal scum like her that try to impose bend over consept on muslims to justfy their wrong deed. I believe these liberal should stay away from making any comments on how muslims should practice Islam or conduct their personal lives.

 

[MastanKhan]

Thank you for highlighting this important info about the author. Even though it's her personal matter to marry a non muslim but she actually lost all credibilty to make any commenst on islamic matter. Her whole life is based on haram concept thus no need to listen to her BS. It's only the Liberal scum like her that try to impose bend over consept on muslims to justfy their wrong deed. I believe these liberal should stay away from making any comments on how muslims should practice Islam or conduct their personal lives.

Hi,

Just reading a thrid party post, you assumed who she was and passed a judgement upon her------mr Zakir----that is in very poor taste.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The writer has said nothing wrong---she has every right to make that statement and just to condemn it out right, because your male machismo are hurt is rather tragic.

When Alirussell made those comments---was he too far off---tell me of one pakistani----who does not rape and molest someone mother ten times within a sentence---a mother who has heavens under her feet---how about our sisters---aren't they threatened with gang rape and thousands of otherways of molestation by your and my cohorts when they ge mad---how about our little boys---our children---our little daughters----what some of the pakistanis won't do it to them in rage---sodomize and gang rape the child---make the opponents women walk naked in the streets---openly molested by these very muslims who hold the book of Qura'an in one hand and they seek pleasure with the other.

Isn't it the height of perversity amongst the muslims---are they sick of mind----haven't they burnt, killed, raped, molested opponents on the pre-text claiming derogatory comments about the prophet Mophammad or the Qura'an-----.

Isn't it fascinating that when we muslims will meet our maker on judgement day---we will say with pride----ya Mohammad---look what we did----we killed and raped these people of other religions because the conmdemned your name---.

Maybe we will then turn to our Lord the master of this univers Allah and say---My Lord----look these people desecrated your book---look what we done to them---we raped their little boys and girls molested their women killed them and their men just for you my lord---.

Indeed this is a nation of sick people---it is not a lack of education that is a problem---do you think that uneducated people don't have humanity or any values---yes they do----.

It is a lack of MORAL VALUES AND MORALITY that we lag behind---moral values and morality, you don't buy them at school---you get them in your house---from your mother---from your father---from your grandparents---form all your relatives----from the preacher of your locla mosque.

This woman raised a genuine issue---and most of you people started lambasting her character---if she was not in england but in pakistan, india and also in bangladesh for you bangladeshis---your dreams have come true---here is an oppurtunity for you to satisfy your carnal pleasure---now you could rape her and while at that rape and molest the rest of the family as well and go a little further---you can kill them all---and it hasn't ended at that either---now you can torch their bodies as well---and after all that---you will put on clean clothes---typically whitew clothes and then bow down to your lord---.

Are some of my pakistanis, my indian muslims, my bangladeshi muslims that sick of mind---I donot have many doubts about that.

 

[qsaark]

---and most of you people started lambasting her character---if she was not in england but in pakistan, india and also in bangladesh for you bangladeshis---your dreams have come true---here is an oppurtunity for you to satisfy your carnal pleasure---now you could rape her and while at that rape and molest the rest of the family as well and go a little further---you can kill them all---and it hasn't ended at that either---now you can torch their bodies as well---and after all that---you will put on clean clothes---typically whitew clothes and then bow down to your lord---.

Now this whole hypothetical crap is in extreme bad taste. Mr. Mastan, come down from the throne of God, and stop prophecizing as if Arch Angel Gabriel had whispered in your ears what they were going to do to her.

Hats off to you Mr. Al-Zakir, you are living in the United States, but not at the cost of your religion and culture.

 

[Al-zakir]

Hi,

Just reading a thrid party post, you assumed who she was and passed a judgement upon her------mr Zakir----that is in very poor taste.

sir
I am sorry you feel that way but also notice that two other members thanked me for same posts that you have criticized. I guess its matter of having different prospective on such matter.

I my self grow up in USA and I have seen the western cultures from close. I am also well educated and I also have certain analytical knolwege to disguished right from wrong. There is nothing she can teach me about western culture that I am not aware of.

I have non Muslims friends but that doesn't necessary mean that I should give up Islamic values by adopting American life style just to prove my self as genuine American or keeping the friendship i.e drinking, clubbing, dating and dining in haram food.

This women doesn't represent main stream muslims living in west.

 

[MastanKhan]

sir
I am sorry you feel that way but also notice that two other members thanked me for same posts that you have criticized. I guess its matter of having different prospective on such matter.

I my self grow up in USA and I have seen the western cultures from close. I am also well educated and I also have certain analytical knolwege to disguished right from wrong. There is nothing she can teach me about western culture that I am not aware of.

I have non Muslims friends but that doesn't necessary mean that I should give up Islamic values by adopting American life style just to prove my self as genuine American or keeping the friendship i.e drinking, clubbing, dating and dining in haram food.


Sir,

You have to look a little deeper than to see two members thankyou for what you wrote. That is so superficial. It is not a matter of having different perspective but it has become a norm to bash and smash someone as a person, if they say anything against the religion.

I don't know what you mean by growing up in america and knowing american culture---people have grown up and lived here for years and still are clueless to what american culture is---pakistanis etc allege that they know the american culture---but can hardly ever speak to a blonde with blue eyes and big tits.

Nobody has to adopt any life and give up their ways of decent living and let live wherever you are---you don't have to go clubbing, dating and dining---but then you should not make the statement that you know americans---if you havenot done these things then you don't know americans---america is not the cashier at burger king making 8 dollars an hour---it is but then it is not---.

But then it is not upto you to condemn their lifestyles either----that is what they are---at least they are honest---they are hard working---they have moral values---our people are inherently dishonest, lazy and lack moral values---you may argue and that is fine---but the proof is in the pudding---you look in your home country---see where it stands---I look at pakistan where it stands---I will take india out of the proporton---they are on their way to success.

The americans say the same thing about us---but in reverse---. So the truth lies somewhere in their social standings in their social welfare projects in their helping hand world over their treatment of their citizens their aspiratons to have a better life for themselevs and others---so they can be a judge as well---and in their eyes we maybe equally condemned---so where draw the line of righteousness Mr Zakir----.

Mr Zakir---this attitude of self righteousness towards americans is a cesspool of dirt and corruption---when one starts believing in that, one has closed all the doors.

 

[MastanKhan]

Islam is a very calm and peaceful religion. Its not just a religion, its a way of life. It was very respected, until the time some morons started enforcing it on non muslims.

Even in the moghul period, islam wasn't forced onto anyone. Everyone lived in peace. But today, some evil people believe in different ways, which has destroyed the image of Islam. People today are not comfortable with muslims. This really hurts me but there is nothing I can do about it.

Hi,

Islam is not the problem---problem lies with the people.

Pakistanis think that their rulers were saints---and could do no wrong, no evil, no drinking, no womanizing. No nothing---it is a world of illusion that we live in. Where our heroes are chaste and beyond reproach---and weakness of flesh just happens in the movies.

I wish that more peple could look around themselves with an eye of conscience and retrospect---they find find a different world that they thought they were living in.

 

[secularguy]

Just saw this Video.Is this a lie?

 

[Ahmad]

Just saw this Video.Is this a lie?
YouTube - Now Muslims in Britain Spread Poison of Islamism

Dear Secularguy, this video is not a lie, but it does not represent the mainstream muslim communities in britain. I suspect this video was prepared and posted on youtube by BNP. Yes, extremists exist everywhere, there is BNP in britain in the form of british while people, but they will never represent the vast majority of british white. Mainstreem british people are kind and good, didnt we see the public donated millions of pounds for pakistan earthquake? The same thing goes to British Muslims, only tiny minority of Muslims are extremets and bad people, the vast majority of them are law abiding people who work hard and live their lives as well as being patriotic british citizens. So it is not right to post just a single or few videos to prove our points. British muslims are having a much better life in britain compare to any other part of western europe and certainly a thousands times better than islamic countries, they are patriotic british and they love their country. Look at this report from the guardian website:



British Muslims feel a greater sense of patriotism than their counterparts living in mainland Europe, according to a study by the Open Society Institute funded by the billionaire financier and philanthropist George Soros.

In the UK OSI researchers focused on Leicester, which is on course to have a non-white majority by the next census in 2011, and Waltham Forest, east London, where high-profile counter-terrorist operations in 2006 angered and alienated some members of the borough's Muslim community.

They found that levels of patriotism were much higher among second-generation Muslims.

In Leicester, 72% of Muslims born abroad said they felt British and this figure rose to 94% among UK-born Muslims. This compares with 49% of Muslims who considered themselves French and 23% who felt German.

Nazia Hussain, director of the OSI project, said: "There is a disturbing message that emerges from these findings. Even though Muslims overwhelmingly feel British, they're not seen as British by wider society.

"That said, there has been a policy of trying to accommodate difference here and it appears to be paying off."

The study used information from more than 2,000 detailed interviews carried out during a two-and-half-year period in addition to 60 focus groups in 11 cities across Europe with large Muslim communities.

Britain's attempts to accommodate differences paying off among Muslims, survey claims | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[qsaark]

I have non Muslims friends but that doesn't necessary mean that I should give up Islamic values by adopting American life style just to prove my self as genuine American or keeping the friendship i.e drinking, clubbing, dating and dining in haram food.

Very well said brother. You see the problem with some so-called Muslims residing in the West is, their poor souls are crushing under the unbearable burden of proving themselves 'loyal' Westerners or American etc. They think the only way of proving their 'loyalty' to those countries is to adopt their respective cultures one hundred percent and sack their own religion, their own culture, and even their own language. I have seen many such kaaley American here in the US. I don't sympathize on their miserable state, but rather empathize. These poor souls are not even aware that the Americans view them as hypocrite and not trustworthy at all; if you can sack your religious and cultural identity to gain some monitory benefits from a second country, you'll do this again if you are shown some more green by someone else. Among the people from sub-continent, I have found Bengalis most loyal to their culture, religion (Muslim or Hindu), and language, than come the Indian, and in last come the Pakistanis.

 

[Al-zakir]

I have found Bengalis most loyal to their culture, religion (Muslim or Hindu), and language, than come the Indian, and in last come the Pakistanis.

Brother Qsaark.

I will not make any comment on Bharati however I have seen two type of Pakistanis.

Some are very liberal and other are very religious.

 

[qsaark]

Brother Qsaark.

I will not make any comment on Bharati however I have seen two type of Pakistanis.

Some are very liberal and other are very religious.

Than you should see me and my family; We are not at all religious in the meanings of 'religious'. However, we do believe in basics. We try our best to do what Allah requires us to do, and absolutely refrain from Haram things. For me, religion, any religion is very simple and not at all complicated thing. After readng Quran and Saha Sitta, and Fiqah books, my parents encouraged me to study Torah (old testament) and the Bible, and than I studies Bhagwat Gita, Puranas, even zorostriansim. I found that Allah was in every religion, with a different name, but in every religion. Anyway, its a separate debate, some other time.

 

[Creder]

Alright you know what im just gonna say it...give me a frikin break..am i supposed to listen to a woman who is casually speaking about her getting divorced, is talking about getting married to a non-muslim ( which would have to happen through dating ), whose son is muslim/non muslim, who doesnt know jack about the ground realities in muslims worlds and thinks pakistan is gonna be taken over by talibans, who thinks sharia is a joke...am i supposed to listen to her preach about Islam... Look i dont do even less than half of the stuff Islam preaches about but that doesnt mean that i get pissed off and take out all my anger on a piece of paper.

her attitude towards muslims is clearly visible from her title " how muslims behave" as if we're some caged animals that get tamed when they come to these foreign countries.. just because some nutjobs beat her son up she can demoralise all of us who are living in the western countries...if this society gives us oppurtunities we give it back ten times more, we pay our taxes we do everything that a good citizen is supposed yet when one lunatic goes up and blows sh**t up suddenly every girl wearing a hijab is linked to terrorist ?


This is article is a pathetic rant from a woman who lost both deen and duniya, and like every pissed of person in this world has only religion to blame for her problems

 

[Developereo]

some customs of an adopted country can't coincide with islam i.e. alcohol.

That's a good example. There was a case of Muslim taxi drivers in the US (Minneapolis, I think) who refused to service passengers carrying alcohol. This is ridiculous.

There was another case of Muslim council members in Britain asking their non-Muslim colleagues to not eat in front of them during Ramadan. Also ridiculous.

Many of us live normal social lives in the West without drinking alcohol and many Muslims work in restaurants even during Ramadan, so it is annoying to see these people behaving so pettily.

if UK is ready to make Islam as its state religion and abolish couple of new laws created for Gays, Lisbians etc. Little bit of changings here and there............ Its a perfect example of Shariah Law

We peoples think giving Punishments only is SHARIAH Law. That is pathetic

There are so many Islamic Laws that are not being followed in Pakistan but here in UK.

I love UK

I am totally opposed to special laws for people. There should be one set of laws for the whole country. No special laws for Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, whatever...

The problem is that, even though Sharia law is supposedly 'voluntary', it doesn't turn out so in practice. Couples, especially women, face tremendous pressure from the community to go to Shaira court rather than regular secular court.

One country, one set of laws.

Religion should always be a private matter

While I agree you broadly, the issue is a bit more complex. Religion influences culture and shows up in public life in many ways. Western countries have religious celebrations for Christmas, Easter, etc. Nobody would argue against that, and a predominantly Muslim country should equally celebrate Eid and other Muslim festivals. Iran even celebrates Nauroz which is a Zoroastrian festival that predates Islam.

What's important is to teach people respect and tolerance for other religions.

Just saw this Video.Is this a lie?
YouTube - Now Muslims in Britain Spread Poison of Islamism

I don't know about this particular case, but there have been cases where non-Muslim agent provocateurs have been suspected in so-called Muslim rallies.

In "Reel Bad Arabs", Jack Shaheen points out the case of a famous picture from a "Muslim" rally in Britain. Interestingly, all the offensive placards have the same handwriting and the faces of the people holding them are covered.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/17537-reel-bad-arabs.html

 

[MastanKhan]

That's a good example. There was a case of Muslim taxi drivers in the US (Minneapolis, I think) who refused to service passengers carrying alcohol. This is ridiculous.

There was another case of Muslim council members in Britain asking their non-Muslim colleagues to not eat in front of them during Ramadan. Also ridiculous.

Many of us live normal social lives in the West without drinking alcohol and many Muslims work in restaurants even during Ramadan, so it is annoying to see these people behaving so pettily.


Hi,

They want to show off others and impose upon others that they are fasting---it is all for show now---.

It is a cab drivers job to haul people from one place to the other---he cannot refuse until and unless the passenger is being unruly---here in san francisco---his cab license would have been suspended---and it should have been. He should have thought about it before starting that job---.

What if the people were drunk, not sober and didnot want to drive home in their personal vehicle---this guy didnot give them a ride---they drove in their car and ended up killing someone---then what. What about the moral implications then.


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