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How some Muslims behave in adopted countries

Very well said brother. You see the problem with some so-called Muslims residing in the West is, their poor souls are crushing under the unbearable burden of proving themselves 'loyal' Westerners or American etc. They think the only way of proving their 'loyalty' to those countries is to adopt their respective cultures one hundred percent and sack their own religion, their own culture, and even their own language. I have seen many such kaaley American here in the US. I don't sympathize on their miserable state, but rather empathize. These poor souls are not even aware that the Americans view them as hypocrite and not trustworthy at all; if you can sack your religious and cultural identity to gain some monitory benefits from a second country, you'll do this again if you are shown some more green by someone else. Among the people from sub-continent, I have found Bengalis most loyal to their culture, religion (Muslim or Hindu), and language, than come the Indian, and in last come the Pakistanis.

I just can't figure out how to respond to this post. I have read your comments on many different issues and have found you to be fairly well balanced in your perspectives. Unfortunately, here we must part ways. You first thank a needlessly offensive post by Al-zakir where he calls this lady 'scum' because she chooses to live her life her way and not his. Then you come up with this gem where you take it upon yourself to comment on how immigrants must live in the U.S. and the West in general. Whether they adopt the American culture or stick with the culture of the country they left behind is a choice best left to the individual concerned. Rather then label them hypocrites, you need to wonder about the people going to the West for bettering their lives and then after enjoying the fruits of that land think nothing of bad mouthing the country and the values of the people there while all the time extolling the values ( imaginary in most cases) of the country that they thought nothing of leaving. This, Sir would be a better example of hypocrisy.
 
Hi,

The writer has said nothing wrong---she has every right to make that statement and just to condemn it out right, because your male machismo are hurt is rather tragic.


Wish there were more people who thought like you. Your comments are much appreciated. Thank you.
 
Hi,

How many muslim men are married to women not of their faith---quite a few I believe. How many muslim men have relationships with non muslim women---quite a lots of them.

Now how many muslim women have married non muslim men---not very many----how about muslim women living away from their muslim countries---how about them having relationships with non muslim men---possibly quite a few. It happens guys. Listen to what she is saying---don't get wrapped up in what you want to hear.

You know this things gets to us muslim men when we for the first time find out the muslim girls can have relationships out of the norms---so what is good for the gander is not good for the goose.


BANG GALORE,

I believe that there are a lots of pakistanis here who are very concerned about this issue. This issue of young radical little wolf packs running around and terrorizing people either in the uk or in pakistan.

Incidently, here in the u s of a, they can't even breath out loud if there are any---the local police force would make an example out of them that no one would want to know about.

The police force here in the u s is so different than the uk.
 
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Islam is the youngest religion, so obviously it was made to be practiced in modern ways. Even if you see the posture of prayer (on keens) ..it is yoga exercise, and if you do it 5 times a day, you stay fit.
Skull cap is also not new , Jews and Christan wear it (not the protestants), they just stopped wearing.
God is one - Christan also say the same.
Lot of things in Quoran has reference from Bible.

Having said above. remember religion was important tool in earlier times to rule over the masses.
Kings had all the religious leaders always by his side. Thats when religion is used as tool to expand the boundaries of the state and subjugate newly acquired lands.
As Hinduism is old religion it has some drawback like you cannot convert to Hindu you can only be born, where as all modern religion like Islam and Christanity thrived on in subcontinent -

1. Inquality and caste system in Hinduism
2. You can convert to Islam/Christanity but not other way round.
3. Other reason for inclination to Islam came during Sufi era 1600 ad.
4. Also the Hindu elite who wanted to be in power converted to Islam.

Hinduism is old religion and it developed over the years. You must watch "Bharat ek Khoj" where it takes deeper dive into how was Hinduism developed from Harrapan civilization (when there was only one god "INDRA (God of Rain)) to many over the years.
Also the times of Ramayana and Mahabharata. Where there is no evidence of who and when Ramayana was written. however there is complete history of events of Mahabharata.
Mahabharata is more of a practical tale of Indian subcontinent fighting for kingdoms.
There are references of Sindhudesh (now sindh) and Gandhara (Khandhar Afganistan) who allied with one king to defeat the other.

remember we dont really know who was evil as manuscripts and history are written by winners.
 
I am totally opposed to special laws for people. There should be one set of laws for the whole country. No special laws for Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, whatever...

One country, one set of laws.

I agree with you , but in country like India we have to have separate laws, because our masses are not liberal enough.
for instance In India we have separate law for Muslims, muslims stll are under the Muslim law of 1938.

1. Females are not entitled to have share of fathers property.
2. Muslim men can do more then one marriage even w/o divorcing

where as Hindu marriage act and property succession law was ammeded in 1956.
Women have right to father property and a man cannot remarry w/o divorce and can not be married to 2 women at same time.

India cannot touch these sensitive issues like Muslim laws. But my suggestion is at least the property act should be amended for muslims in India.
 

You see the problem with some so-called Muslims residing in the West is, their poor souls are crushing under the unbearable burden of proving themselves 'loyal' Westerners or American etc.

Muslims are no way under presure in their adopted countries, they are protected by law and everyone is the same according to the laws of these countires, they are enjoying a real good life in the UK especially. There is no burden on them, they have got thier mosques, communities and the gov even pay for their societies in every city, they have got their own radio channel(BBC asian network) which is funded by the british go, there are private TV/Radio channells, they can hold their cultural occasions anywhere anytime they want. They are treated the same way as the indigenious british people. I am amazed to see the word BURDEN from you. They dont need to do anthing to prove themselves loyal, as long as they dont wish ill to their adopted country, be honest and hard working, thats all which is counted. On the other hand, can you tell me the situation of non muslims in muslim countries? do they enjoy that type of freedom? do you allow them to consume alchol in the public? do you allow westerners to wear their revealed cloths in our countries and have clubs and pubs in the open? Yes, in these countries they strictly oppose islamic law, and i think you should understand why , you cant impose and should not impose your law in these countries.

They think the only way of proving their 'loyalty' to those countries is to adopt their respective cultures one hundred percent and sack their own religion, their own culture, and even their own language.

nobody is asking to prove anything. as long as they are not breaking the law and dont impose themselves on the general public , then thats it. i gave you the example of cultural freedom above.

and why are you writing in english here? dont you think it's hypocritical to talk about the others and dont look at yourself?


I have seen many such kaaley American here in the US. I don't sympathize on their miserable state, but rather empathize.


I dont think they have a miserable state, they are a milion times better in the west compare to their own countries.

These poor souls are not even aware that the Americans view them as hypocrite and not trustworthy at all; if you can sack your religious and cultural identity to gain some monitory benefits from a second country, you'll do this again if you are shown some more green by someone else. Among the people from sub-continent, I have found Bengalis most loyal to their culture, religion (Muslim or Hindu), and language, than come the Indian, and in last come the Pakistanis.

Nope, they are not seen as hypocrates. Tell me who has asked the muslims to abodon their religion and culture?

If the muslims are not that happy, they can leave the west at any time they want, you can start it from yourself.
 
I am undergoing a hernia surgery in about 30 minutes (on my way to Hospital). InshaAllah, I'll reply back to you soon.

Wish you well. As you rest and heal, know that you are thought of warmly and wished a quick recovery.
 
I am undergoing a hernia surgery in about 30 minutes (on my way to Hospital). InshaAllah, I'll reply back to you soon.

Insh'allah you will be fine. May the blessing of Allah be with you.
 
Hi,

That tells you the condition of an addict.

u post on pdf 30 mins before u go into surgery ??? man u shld be given a trophy by the webmaster

Unnecessary remarks not to mention bad in taste, maybe the guy is waiting for the nurse to call him out.. Maybe he's just really serious about this topic .. Hardly Merit callig someone an 'addict'
 

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