How religious are so-called ‘Islamic terrorists’?

[SQ8]

The undeniable fact that most of the terrorists that we are talking about yell "Allahu Akbar", and then accept certain death in order to fight for Allah, proves that they are more dedicated to Islam than are 99.99% of other Muslims, including Mehdi Hasan.

Their dedication should then also be gauged with other religions then .. the KKK are very dedicated to Christianity for e.g

 

[Nefarious]

To a Muslim, it's obvious that ISIS don't know jack about Islam.

To a westerner, they don't care... they'll happily tar you all with the same brush because alot of them simply hate Muslims as a whole now. It's the bitter truth.

Just switch on your TV, it's gospel for them and you know what it's been spewing in recent years. Ironically, ISIS victims are nearly all Muslims.

 

[oFFbEAT]

...I am sorry but do you follow Islam exactly by the book? Do you follow all the rules word by word? Does any single person you know follow Islam word by word? Be honest about the answer and if your answer is no then Baghdadi is no more or less a Muslim then you,your family or friends are....if you don't follow all the rules you don't get to judge whether another person is a Muslim or not.

So, according to your logic, no one follows(or can follow) Islam to its strictest sense(including Baghdadi) and those who donot/cannot do that, should not judge other Muslims, right?
Then how come Baghdadi and his men(ISIS) are judging and killing other Muslims??

 

[Anubis]

So, according to your logic, no one follows(or can follow) Islam to its strictest sense(including Baghdadi) and those who donot/cannot do that, should not judge other Muslims, right?
Then how come Baghdadi and his men(ISIS) are judging and killing other Muslims??

I am not justifying Baghdadi's actions...my point is Baghdad is a Muslim and the Muslim world must face it as problem within their community..branding terrorists non-muslims does not help as Muslims simply think once he is declared a non-Muslim he is no longer their problem.

 

[dray]

I am not justifying Baghdadi's actions...my point is Baghdad is a Muslim and the Muslim world must face it as problem within their community..branding terrorists non-muslims does not help as Muslims simply think once he is declared a non-Muslim he is no longer their problem.

This post deserves a positive rating, alas I don't have the 'rank' to give it, but I can highlight it for others.

 

[Nefarious]

I am not justifying Baghdadi's actions...my point is Baghdad is a Muslim and the Muslim world must face it as problem within their community..branding terrorists non-muslims does not help as Muslims simply think once he is declared a non-Muslim he is no longer their problem.

Really?

So if muslims say he's a non/bad Muslim he's not their problem no more? Do you even know what the real point behind differentiating themselves (Muslims) from him (Baghdadi) even is?

What you want them to say...say "he's a great Muslim role model, everyone follow him!!".

I want Muslims to tell the world that he doesn't represent them and to advise all Muslims that they should stay the hell away from him and his poisonous ideologies.

I'm sorry Muslims, you can't win this one no matter what you do...goal posts will continue to be moved to show you all as mini Baghdadi's.

 

[sparten]

Most terrorists are often not particularly devout. That fact has been known to security forces for years.

 

[Tipu7]

The undeniable fact that most of the terrorists that we are talking about yell "Allahu Akbar", and then accept certain death in order to fight for Allah, proves that they are more dedicated to Islam than are 99.99% of other Muslims, including Mehdi Hasan.

And you are ''PDF Think Tank analyst''

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Really?

So if muslims say he's a non/bad Muslim he's not their problem no more? Do you even know what the real point behind differentiating themselves (Muslims) from him (Baghdadi) even is?

What you want them to say...say "he's a great Muslim role model, everyone follow him!!".

I want Muslims to tell the world that he doesn't represent them and to advise all Muslims that they should stay the hell away from him and his poisonous ideologies.

I'm sorry Muslims, you can't win this one no matter what you do...goal posts will continue to be moved to show you all as mini Baghdadi's.

The problem is not Baghdadi. The problem is that Muslim communities produce followers of Baghdadi.
How many youngsters with Christian/Hindu/Buddhist parents have joined ISIS percentagewise.
How many youngsters with Muslim parents have joined percentagewise?

 

[Nefarious]

The problem is not Baghdadi. The problem is that Muslim communities produce followers of Baghdadi.
How many youngsters with Christian/Hindu/Buddhist parents have joined ISIS percentagewise.
How many youngsters with Muslim parents have joined percentagewise?

Christian communities will join their own terrorist organisations like the IRA. But not to worry we won't call them Christian terrorists.

Peaceful Buddhists mobs will kill rohingyas and don't worry they will not be labeled Buddhist terrorists.

How should we punish Muslim parents for potentially raising a terrorist? Or should we rather encourage them to push the true message of Islam to counter and condemn extremism? Or do we believe that they're all terrorists and will kill us all and we should put them in concentration camps just in case?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Christian communities will join their own terrorist organisations like the IRA. But not to worry we won't call them Christian terrorists.

Peaceful Buddhists mobs will kill rohingyas and don't worry they will not be labeled Buddhist terrorists.

How should we punish Muslim parents for potentially raising a terrorist? Or should we rather encourage them to push the true message of Islam to counter and condemn extremism? Or do we believe that they're all terrorists and we should put them in concentration camps?

IRA were called Catholic Terrorists or Irish Terrorists. Noone is accusing all Catholics or Irishmen because of that.

When the majority expels a minority which may or may not have entered the country illegally,
repression is a better term.

Normal laws does not punish parents, for the action of grown up kids.
If they are minors, and the parents cannot be trusted to take care of their kids,
then the government will take over the responsibility.
If the parents are active supporters of Islamists, then they need to be stopped.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

The problem is not Baghdadi. The problem is that Muslim communities produce followers of Baghdadi.
How many youngsters with Christian/Hindu/Buddhist parents have joined ISIS percentagewise.
How many youngsters with Muslim parents have joined percentagewise?

The problem is not Europe or the West or Christians, the problem is that Western communities had produced followers who had committed genocide of the north American natives, Australian natives, over hundreds of years of black slave trading and their systematic genocide, also the creation of a race completely by rape of the white man more commonly known today as the Latinos from the mexico and south America region, illegally selling of opium and making half the population of China as drug addicts during the opium wars and not to mention the systematic colonization of the majority of the known world.

How many youngsters with Muslims/Hindus/Buddhists parents had joined the European Christians in the massacre and rape of other culture and civilizations?

How many youngsters with Christian parents had joined?

 

[Sneaker]

They may not be devot muslims.. that is why they carryout jihad because everything will be forgiven if they kill kafirs.. and once they go to heaven, they can do things they used to do here because what is haram on earth is halal in heaven..

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The problem is not Europe or the West or Christians, the problem is that Western communities had produced followers who have committed genocide of the north American natives, Australian natives, over hundreds of years of black slave trading and their systematic genocide, also the creation of a race completely by rape of the white man more commonly known today as the Latinos from the mexico and south America region, illegally selling of opium and making half the population of China as drug addicts during the opium wars and not to mention the systematic colonization of the majority of the known world.

How many youngsters with Muslims/Hindus/Buddhists parents had joined the European Christians in the massacre and rape of other culture and civilizations?

How many youngsters with Christian parents had joined?

The Muslims did their own rape and pillage all over the Mediterranean, Africa and Asia.
They continued by creating the slave trade to the US, by capturing Africans, making them slaves.
The slave trade was stopped by Western liberalism.
The West stopped Muslim oppression of Arabs, allowing them to form their own countries,
and the US put a stop to colonialism.
It is estimated that the US killed less than 10,000 Indians during the Indian Wars 1866-1890.
Meanwhile Turkey committed genocide on 1,5 Million of its citizens, and right now Syrian government is repeating the process.

The fight for basic human rights and the rule of law is the fight of the Western civilization,
to rid itself of the lawlessness that traditionally been the history of all mankind.

The Swedish Army (Karolinerna) had strict laws forbidding rape.
Punishment was to "run the street" (Gatlopp), and the street was lined by a battalion
of soldiers each equipped with a whip. Not the nicest of punishment.

This was a big change from the 30-year war, which reduced most of Central Europe to ashes.
German mothers still threatened their kids in early 20th Century, that if they did not behave,
the Swedes will come and get them.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

The Muslims did their own rape and pillage all over the Mediterranean, Africa and Asia.
They continued by creating the slave trade to the US, by capturing Africans, making them slaves.
The slave trade was stopped by Western liberalism.
The West stopped Muslim oppression of Arabs, allowing them to form their own countries,
and the US put a stop to colonialism.
Meanwhile Turkey committed genocide on its citizens, and right now Syrian government is repeating the process.

The fight for basic human rights and the rule of law is the fight of the Western civilization,
to rid itself of the lawlessness that traditionally been the history of all mankind.

If that was true than many races and civilizations would have been wiped out from all over Africa, Asia and the Mediterranean, if Muslims did massive genocides like you claim than show me one historical account from the 800 AD up to the 1700's where hundreds of thousands of Natives were butchered?, Muslim ruled Spain for over 800 years but those Spanish moors were also wiped out by the European Christians another genocide, Muslim ruled India for over a thousand year, did we wipe out Hindus like you did with the Native Americans?

You didn't liberate the Arabs, you gave military dictators and warlords who sided with you against the Ottoman Turks with lands as compensation and reward for their "Loyalty", you conquered the middle east and carved it up in a way that would best serve the western interest.

Stopping the slave trade doesn't make you suddenly the good guys after all you were practicing it for hundreds of years.

Please let go of this orgasmic bravado you have for yourself, Europeans are responsible for wiping out many races and civilizations, US itself standing on the bones of the Native Americans and a state that has been at war for 209 years out of 236 years since its existence, that is a 93% of war while only 7% of peace.