How religious are so-called ‘Islamic terrorists’?

[salarsikander]

There are 5,2 million native North Americans Indians so they are hardly wiped out.
They still speak their native language.
The number of aborigines are about 700,000 which is the same as is estimated when Australia was colonized.
Their hunter gatherer civilisation is still long gone in both places.

You can try to deny that Muslims have destroyed the Persian native zoroastric culture, but I aint buying it.
There is a pre and post Muslim era, and to call that evolvement is ridiculous.
The Christian culture in the Middle East is beeing genocided away at this very moment..

Lets re wind up a bit, shall we now ?
DID ISIS exist before the invasion of Iraq? How does ISIS actually recruit people ? What inclines/forces them to join the cult ?

 

[Anubis]

So much for your islamic studies,

So i will prove my point from the Quran

“Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

I can prove from Hadiths as well if you prefer

A Muslim is one from whose tongue and hand Muslims are safe. – Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim

Do you want more, i can provide more examples than you can

Do you deny what I quoted was false? If not you didn't prove anything. You just proved Islam contradicts itself.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

All terrorists are very religious.

They believe all wrong things about the religion though...

 

[dadeechi]

All terrorists are very religious.

They believe all wrong things about the religion though...

The question is are they following the wrong things in the religion or are they misinterpreting the religion?

Accepting there are wrong things in the religion itself is a slippery slope...

 

[DesiGuy1403]

The question is are they following the wrong things in the religion or are they misinterpreting the religion?

Accepting there are wrong things in the religion itself is a slippery slope...

It's the brainwashing done by the religious heads. These religious heads don't want to fight the political battle and use these people to brainwash into terrorism.

People like Zakir Naik is a great example of how these people are made to feel their religion is the best and supreme over all other's. This kind of narcissistic interpretation of ones religion grows up into creating terrorists.

 

[dadeechi]

It's the brainwashing done by the religious heads. These religious heads don't want to fight the political battle and use these people to brainwash into terrorism.

People like Zakir Naik is a great example of how these people are made to feel their religion is the best and supreme over all other's. This kind of narcissistic interpretation of ones religion grows up into creating terrorists.

I am not sure about brain washing..

For example, If one does not believe in the God that are pray to is the real God then they are doubting their religion. Isn't it?

 

[war&peace]

Thats why our Norwegian brothers put him in jail for life..

After killing so many innocent people, the Christian terrorist is just in the jail while he should be dead.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

After killing so many innocent people, the Christian terrorist is just in the jail while he should be dead.

Europe does not have capital punishment...sad but true..

 

[dadeechi]

“Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…

Does this mean one can kill if there is justification? If yes, What are those circumstances?

A Muslim is one from whose tongue and hand Muslims are safe. – Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim

What about non-muslims? Are they not going to be safe? Unless I am misunderstanding this statement..

Europe does not have capital punishment...sad but true..

After going through two world wars, Europeans have totally lost appetite for wars and killing. They have totally turned peaceful. It is sad that terror attacks started to hit them as they turn more and more peaceful.. What an irony..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

In a sense the chickens have come home to roost. For some decades certain groups have invested all their energy in elevating identity around "Muslim". Well guess what guys? You won. Now any crap happens and the guy is Muslim - well you get "Muslim" terrorist.

You don't get Pakistani terrorist, Afghan terrorist, Jordanian terrorist you just get "Muslim terrorist". Whether you are good or bad Muslim is not the issue. All that is important is "your Muslim".

 

[DesiGuy1403]

In a sense the chickens have come home to roost. For some decades certain groups have invested all their energy in elevating identity around "Muslim". Well guess what guys? You won. Now any crap happens and the guy is Muslim - well you get "Muslim" terrorist.

You don't get Pakistani terrorist, Afghan terrorist, Jordanian terrorist you just get "Muslim terrorist". Whether you are good or bad Muslim is not the issue. All that is important is "your Muslim".

The "perception" is that muslims place their religion above society & country. The talk of Muslim brotherhood and Umma that transcends nations confuses general population into making their own confused observations about muslims.

And to be honest, quite a few muslims in western countries don't help fight this perception with their mindless strategies.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

muslims place their religion above society & country.

Only in the last few decades ...

 

[Imad.Khan]

Do you deny what I quoted was false? If not you didn't prove anything. You just proved Islam contradicts itself.

In Islam, Quranic verses take precedence over Hadiths. Most of the hadiths were written a few hundred years after the prophets death and are a compilation of what the prophets companions say they heard the prophet say. So if there is a hadith that contradicts what the Quran says then that hadith is null and void.

Does this mean one can kill if there is justification? If yes, What are those circumstances?

1. Killing in war
2. Killing in self defence
3. Killing as a punishment for certain crimes like murder and rape (but these punishments have to be handed down by a Qazi/Judge.

What about non-muslims? Are they not going to be safe? Unless I am misunderstanding this statement..

That is just one of many hadiths that denounce violence, i explicitly used that hadith as an example to show that ISIS are not muslims, as other muslims are not safe from harm from them.

 

[dadeechi]

1. Killing in war

Who decides what is considered a war as I had heard that many groups consider that there are indeed fighting a war.

That is just one of many hadiths that denounce violence, i explicitly used that hadith as an example to show that ISIS are not muslims, as other muslims are not safe from harm from them.

Who decides who are considered true Muslims as I have heard each group claiming they are the true Muslims?

 

[Anubis]

In Islam, Quranic verses take precedence over Hadiths. Most of the hadiths were written a few hundred years after the prophets death and are a compilation of what the prophets companions say they heard the prophet say. So if there is a hadith that contradicts what the Quran says then that hadith is null and void.



1. Killing in war
2. Killing in self defence
3. Killing as a punishment for certain crimes like murder and rape (but these punishments have to be handed down by a Qazi/Judge.





That is just one of many hadiths that denounce violence, i explicitly used that hadith as an example to show that ISIS are not muslims, as other muslims are not safe from harm from them.

The prophet's saying does not contradict anything in the quran....not praying in congregation is a crime according to the prophet....thus it is not an unjust killing....otherwise the killing a man is killing humanity quote can be used to nullify all laws for execution thus making a huge part of Sharia invalid....quranic verses are very broad...that is why the Hadith and Sunnah are used to codify Shariah.....you can't get away with broad quotes from the quran...it isn't that simple....if we look at the "context"(A word Muslim apologists love to use in the west) you will find a loophole....the verse from Sura Maidah could very easily 'interpreted'(another thing Muslim apologists use when pointed to violent verses..so lets use it for peaceful verses too) as a commandment NOT for Muslims BUT, as the beginning of the Ayah suggests, for the Jews.....the ayah is also written in the past tense.