How Pakistani-Americans are entering interfaith and interracial marriages — and making them work

[Vazir]

Not unless you are paying to watch!

What are you on today? [emoji38]

Even the number of views encourage, sir. Let's just say that I have friends in various places who let me know some things.
And I'm on a chair.

 

[abdulbarijan]

My demand and supply argument is very simple. Very. Bear with me, and maybe you will get smart:
If you have s*x, you sin yourself. If you watch porno, you encourage others to have s*x. How complicated is that?

Alright ... enlighten us all ... answer this question which was the subject of discussion which was taking place before you conveniently decided to shift to other goal posts ...

-More demand = More supply right? So more demand of P*RN creates more supply of what? -- P*RN right?

-How does more demand of P*RN create a supply of normal people engaging in pre-marital intimate relationships (the subject of dicussion) ... Before you respond ... eat a couple almonds ... maybe then you'll be able to understand YOUR OWN arguments ...

 

[Vazir]

Alright ... enlighten us all ... answer this question which was the subject of discussion which was taking place before you conveniently decided to shift to other goal posts ...

-More demand = More supply right? So more demand of P*RN creates more supply of what? -- P*RN right?

-How does more demand of P*RN create a supply of normal people engaging in pre-marital intimate relationships (the subject of dicussion) ... Before you respond ... eat a couple almonds ... maybe then you'll be able to understand YOUR OWN arguments ...

The original question was that "is watching = doing?" I gave my point of view on that. Simple as f*ck (no pun intended).

Irrelevant trolling will be ignored.

 

[abdulbarijan]

The original question was that "is watching = doing?" I gave my point of view on that. Simple as f*ck (no pun intended).
Irrelevant trolling will be ignored.

So not only do you NOT understand the arguments leaving your own mind ... but you also have some problems reading and understanding the context of the discussion ...

A typical pakistani man who watches websites everyday and watch these non muslim women to the fullest but when he sees a muslim marrying a non muslim , he feels his ego been hurt

Actually ... watching p0rn and engaging in sexual contact are two VERY DIFFERENT things

-So in your mind; Guys watching p0rn = Girls engaging in sexual intercourse before marriage?

So in your opinion, a person watching the act = a person actually engaging in the act? By the way let's not start to pretend that ONLY men in our society go to such websites ...

 

[Vazir]

So not only do you NOT understand the arguments leaving your own mind ... but you also have some problems reading and understanding the context of the discussion ...

To answer it again: yes, a person watching the act is equal than a person committing the act.
Is that clear enough?

 

[nang2]

Interfaith marriage will only work when the couple don't take faiths seriously. If they do, marriage will break down. If they view two different faiths are essentially the same, that is no longer inter-faith.

 

[abdulbarijan]

To answer it again: yes, a person watching the act is equal than a person committing the act.
Is that clear enough?

Sure then I suppose you'd have no problem explaining the following ... right?

"-More demand = More supply right? So more demand of P*RN creates more supply of what? -- P*RN right?

-How does more demand of P*RN create a supply of normal people engaging in pre-marital intimate relationships (the subject of dicussion)? "

 

[Vazir]

Sure then I suppose you'd have no problem explaining the following ... right?

"-More demand = More supply right? So more demand of P*RN creates more supply of what? -- P*RN right?

-How does more demand of P*RN create a supply of normal people engaging in pre-marital intimate relationships (the subject of dicussion)? "

It doesn't. But since we were talking about premarital s*x in general, does it actually matter why a couple is having s*x? (Since it is in context with the Islamic belief that premarital s*x is a sin)

 

[Verve]

Sure then I suppose you'd have no problem explaining the following ... right?

"-More demand = More supply right? So more demand of P*RN creates more supply of what? -- P*RN right?

-How does more demand of P*RN create a supply of normal people engaging in pre-marital intimate relationships (the subject of dicussion)? "

May I?

Answer can be found in Ego!

To feed their ego (and to show the world) that they are also damn good f***!

It's not so uncommon a disease in West.

 

[abdulbarijan]

It doesn't.

But since we were talking about premarital s*x in general, does it actually matter why a couple is having s*x? (Since it is in context with the Islamic belief that premarital s*x is a sin)

It doesn't ... it's a sin either way... The original arguments were about how virginity of a person doesn't dictate their character. My take was, that it depends on the situation. So for example, when a girl is presented as the epitome of good and shareef (as per Pakistani standards) in marriage negotiations, only for the husband to find that she had like 3-4 boyfriends before him (applies the other way around too). Thats a blatant breach of trust ... However, a widow who is open about her situation in the marriage negotiations, or a recent convert etc. I've no problem with that sorta situation.

 

[Vazir]

It doesn't ... it's a sin either way... The original arguments were about how virginity of a person doesn't dictate their character. My take was, that it depends on the situation. So for example, when a girl is presented as the epitome of good and shareef (as per Pakistani standards) in marriage negotiations, only for the husband to find that she had like 3-4 boyfriends before him (applies the other way around too). Thats a blatant breach of trust ... However, a widow who is open about her situation in the marriage negotiations, or a recent convert etc. I've no problem with that sorta situation.

"It's a sin either way" exactly. So what watching porno is doing is encouraging the market of sin, resulting in more of this sin for profits. Making sense now?

 

[Verve]

Thats a blatant breach of trust

Marriages (a social contract) based on lies and deceit almost always fail ...

 

[war&peace]

As far as interfaith marriages are concerned, Islam is very clear and protective of the Muslim woman due to her particular biology and psychology. While a Muslim man marrying a woman from people of the book will most likely be able to sustain the stresses, a woman is highly unlikely to be able to cope with the pressures and may even be forced to convert to another religion and be stopped from practicing her duties as a Muslima while it is much less likely that a non-Muslim will be able to do that to her Muslim husband. Though Muslim men are allowed to marry Jewish and Christian women, it is still highly discouraged practice.

Furthermore, a lot of people misuse the word people of the book. Most of the international scholars are of the opinion that the vast majority of the western people cannot be called people of the book because most of them are atheists or non-religious, not just non-practicing but even non-believing.

However, a large number of these interfaith marriages are done for greencards and citizenship and this is totally against the spirit of marriage and not permissible since such marriages are highly unsuccessful due to the lack of sincerity right from the beginning.

 

[abdulbarijan]

"It's a sin either way" exactly. So what watching porno is doing is encouraging the market of sin, resulting in more of this sin for profits. Making sense now?

-No one is arguing that watching p*rn is a sin. No one is even arguing that watching it delivers higher profits for the market. Heck no one is arguing that it encourages more people (especially women) to go in to the industry to make easy money.

-The point of argument is that a normal guy or girl living in lahore on his /her computer in the privacy of his or her home watching some videos is NOT responsible for a couple in Karachi having s*x without a marriage contract. Hence the original argument of mine being;
"Guys/ girls watching p0rn (Is not Equal to) Guys/ Girls engaging in sexual intercourse before marriage"

 

[Vazir]

-No one is arguing that watching p*rn is a sin. No one is even arguing that watching it delivers higher profits for the market. Heck no one is arguing that it encourages more people (especially women) to go in to the industry to make easy money.

-The point of argument is that a normal guy or girl living in lahore on his /her computer in the privacy of his or her home watching some videos is NOT responsible for a couple in Karachi having s*x without a marriage contract. Hence the original argument of mine being;
"Guys/ girls watching p0rn (Is not Equal to) Guys/ Girls engaging in sexual intercourse before marriage"

We have literally reached the wall where we could keep on repeating the arguments we made before, to no effect. So to save us time, let's just agree to disagree and move on.