How Pakistani-Americans are entering interfaith and interracial marriages — and making them work

[abdulbarijan]

We have literally reached the wall where we could keep on repeating the arguments we made before, to no effect. So to save us time, let's just agree to disagree and move on.

Son ... this "agree to disagree excuse" is applicable when two arguments carry weight ... yours doesn't ... so you can move on all you want ... doesn't make your argument right ...

 

[Vazir]

Son ... this "agree to disagree excuse" is applicable when two arguments carry weight ... yours doesn't ... so you can move on all you want ... doesn't make your argument right ...

*facepalm*

 

[abdulbarijan]

*facepalm*

You need like 10 more to get some sense in that empty aqal/samajh dani

 

[Vazir]

You need like 10 more to get some sense in that empty aqal dani

I really can't understand what part of "encouraging the act" you can't understand. Here, encouraging means causing the sinners to sin more. Hence, generating more sin.

To take an extreme, a person selling guns to terrorist isn't gonna shoot the gun. But don't you think that the dealer is as much to blame for an attack as the terrorist?

 

[war&peace]

Interfaith marriage will only work when the couple don't take faiths seriously. If they do, marriage will break down. If they view two different faiths are essentially the same, that is no longer inter-faith.

it has more to do with respect than anything else. They they respect each other and their religious affiliations, the marriage will most likely work.

 

[abdulbarijan]

I really can't understand what part of "encouraging the act" you can't understand. Here, encouraging means causing the sinners to sin more. Hence, generating more sin.

To take an extreme, a person selling guns to terrorist isn't gonna shoot the gun. But don't you think that the dealer is as much to blame for an attack as the terrorist?

LOL! ... your arguments are getting more 'funny' as we go. So how exactly do you "encourage the act"? ... As per your previous arguments, it is encouraged by the demand resulting in more supply resulting in more profit ... right? (hence the example of the dealer and sales of guns to terrorists)

SO HOW IN THE BLUE HELL DOES IT ENCOURAGE NORMAL PEOPLE (WHO DON"T BROADCAST IT ON THE INTERNET) TO HAVE S*X WITHOUT MARRIAGE WHEN THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE ATTACHED TO IT ?

To put your exact argument in the example about guns you tried to give ... your argument is literally that of a person watching some gun videos on youtube is causing mass shootings .

 

[surya kiran]

A Pakistani-Indian love story

A person like an elder brother to me is married to a Pakistani in the US. Worked out really well. Two beautiful kids now.

 

[nang2]

it has more to do with respect than anything else. They they respect each other and their religious affiliations, the marriage will most likely work.

Marriage is very intimate. The fewer differences in things that people care the most, the better. Respect helps but not by much and mostly works on minor differences.

 

[WhyCry]

Pakistanis kill and reave by the book but when it comes to Green Card they are willing and ready to leave Green Book (pakistani passport).

 

[Verve]

SO HOW IN THE BLUE HELL DOES IT ENCOURAGE NORMAL PEOPLE (WHO DON"T BROADCAST IT ON THE INTERNET) TO HAVE S*X WITHOUT MARRIAGE WHEN THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE ATTACHED TO IT ?

It does encourage. Desire for reenactment and appetite for multiple partners increases.

 

[war&peace]

In your opening argument, you started with generalizing "Pakistani men", so you made it a subject by doing that (which is why you were met with the arguments I presented about "typical Pakistani women" ... )

Agreed on the initial part of equal and free human beings having the rights to defend themselves. However, I can't help but notice in that both of your scenarios, men are painted as 'the bad guy' ... So if your cheated on and are having a hard time trusting your spouse after she blatantly broke your trust .. your "backward and miserable" .. and ofcourse the drunk guy beating his wife example is designed with the guy being at fault ...

YOU as a lady, don't get to decide how men feel about certain things. You don't have the right to call anyone "gutless" whose been hurt by his wife who has DECEIVED him. If anything it's the WIFE, who is at fault to have been engaged in such activities. It is the WIFE who is the guilty party and has to make amends ... instead of shaming the guy for feeling that way by calling him "gutless and backward" ...

Based on your response ... one can easily go.... "well a drunk guy who beat the living heck out of his wife ... but repented and now is more sincere to her ... the wife should accept him as if nothing ever happened ... No need to create drama ... he'll live with her as a good husband but if she has NO GUTS and her backward thoughts keep messing with her brain, then khula is an option afforded to her" ...

Extremes on both ends are really dangerous. In the case you mention, sometimes conditions arise where you HAVE TO separate (e.g. one spouse is physically very violent etc.) and in that case divorce being 'taboo' becomes a hindrance, however, in the case of let's say the west, divorce is common place, where a spouses file for divorces on a whim ... so both extremes are quite dangerous ...

Sir!!! Why are you wasting your precious time on emotional, mindlessn and igorant trolls ...
And I really wonder how the topic of interfaith marriage is turning to virginity, extra/pre-marital sex, p*** etc.
Quran is the ultimate guidance for us the Muslims.. and it is very clear on this topic as in Ch 5 (Al Maida), Verse # 5

الْيَوْمَ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ ۖ وَطَعَامُ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حِلٌّ لَّكُمْ وَطَعَامُكُمْ حِلٌّ لَّهُمْ ۖوَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ إِذَا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ مُحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحِينَ وَلَا مُتَّخِذِي أَخْدَانٍ ۗ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِالْإِيمَانِ فَقَدْ حَبِطَ عَمَلُهُ وَهُوَ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ​

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Translation:
This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. (5)

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so if somenone is having issues accepting with it, then he or she should really be very concerned about their Emaan and Islam.


Why someone is involving men while the words of Allah are very clear and is someone Muslim because of men or for the sake of Allah. And definitely the people who are trying to promote lewdness in the society under various pretext have clear warning from Allah and they will be punished severely in the hellfire (Quran 24:19)

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُحِبُّونَ أَن تَشِيعَ الْفَاحِشَةُ فِي الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَاللَّـهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ​

Translation
Indeed, those who like that immorality should be spread [or publicized] among those who have believed will have a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter. And Allah knows and you do not know.

 

[waz]

wait ..are you saying it is allowed for men while forbidden for women and that is people of the book ?

bravo .. people of the book

It's not to be encouraged and it's not allowed if you live in a non-Muslim country for a man. The rules are harsh for men as well.

 

[Manama]

Interfaith marriage will only work when the couple don't take faiths seriously. If they do, marriage will break down. If they view two different faiths are essentially the same, that is no longer inter-faith.

Some people know how to talk through stuff and respect each other. They don't feel the need to treat others like trash or consider their own view point superior. These are the people who love God and their spouse. And these are the people whose marriage is truly blessed by God despite them marrying a different perspective.

 

[Well.wisher]

That War and Peace used some very disgusting language for my late Mother who was a three-time Hajji. He also used similarly nasty terms for my father who is a very religious man. He should tell all you good people what he said. He was very proud of insulting a righteous woman yesterday and today he is bringing out his Quran? LOL!

Thats very sad @war&peace , I actually had a good experience with him in this defence forum , he's a friendly .

He should apologise to you for insulting your late mother and father , your family shouldn't be brought in to discussions especially by someone who preaches the gracious religion of Islam .
A good muslim knows that he shouldn't insult anyone's mother , that is against islam but if he did mistake then he should apologise.

 

[NakedLunch]

Thats very sad @war&peace , I actually had a good experience with him in this defence forum , he's a friendly .

He should apologise to you for insulting your late mother and father , your family shouldn't be brought in to discussions especially by someone who preaches the gracious religion of Islam .
A good muslim knows that he shouldn't insult anyone's mother , that is against islam but if he did mistake then he should apologise.

I am a muslim and I am willing to forgive him if he offers me a sincere and public apology. If he doesnt, well he should read the Quran more closely. I have had disagreements with many many Hindus on this forum and not a single one has insulted my mother or father. I expected better of him. Anyway, enough said. Its up to him. Peace.