How PAF Should Counter the SU-30 MKI

[DARKY]

Whatever floats your boat.

Did you even understand what was said earlier ?

You are indeed a retard! Listen kid, the much larger and powerful radar searches for much smaller adversary while the much smaller adversary with a much smaller radar searches for an adversary that has massive rcs. It's not just about the ranges, it's about rcs and a whole lot of other things as well. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the JFT locks on to MKI before vice versa. And we know very well what launch of AIM-120C5 would mean.....bye bye MKI!!

I gave you an rough account of the advantages the BARS have over KLJ-7.
But since it has gone over your head once again... and as expected... you'll get a lot more surprises but that.
How does the JF-17 launch a Aim120 ??...

Lets just leave the processing power and actual combat performance of the KLJ-7 radar for the 'day' when your MKI actually has to face it. I don't really want to get into the whole arguments on the performance of KLJ-7 as well as our AWACS that will be guiding the JFT's, if need be.

You can't go... you don't know a jack about that... Its plain and simple from your posts and your understanding about radars.
The EW suit on a few Su30MKI of IAF is capable enough to provide escort jamming capabilities and barrage jamming features which can Blind multiple radars like KLJ-7 on a Half dozen JF-17 type aircrafts... you haven't even seen the tip yet.. the elta 8882 is just a small example... even Mig29UPGs would have a wide array of ECM and Jamming devices most notably absent on Jf-17.

Isn't it evident they do? Fortunately for us, your AF also thinks about it the same way you do.

Good for you why wasting the time on this thread and declaring the forum administration stupid as for running such a thread.

Ok kid, listen up and listen good. There is no Block 52 on F-15's! Furthermore, PAF pilots are the ones that have actually seen combat with their F-16's, not only that, we have tested the supposedly best AF (Isreal) and have given it a beating while maintaining an impeccable record.

Not only that, PAF's personal hands on experience on all types of SU-27 including SU-30's and exercises with AF's armed with the jets have given us restful sleeps, no wonder IAF had to sprint for MMRCA despite MKI while PAF relaxed!

That was a typing error.
Doesn't mean PAF are the only ones... we are talking of Singapore Airforce Half a dozen or even more pilots with over 2000hrs experience on F-16... and many more with 1000+hrs.. not to mention the friendly support the IDF has been giving on crucial inputs about EW devices and other electronics equipment meant to beat with good overall evaluations of F-16 and later blocks.

All types of Su27 and Su30 are not Su30MKI but can we expect your stupid brain to understand

As I said earlier IAF doesn't upgrade its equipment based on what Pakistan and China does... and Its good that PAF is sitting quiet and relaxed... for the IAF.

Maybe the cow piss drinking and bathing version of your temples teach you otherwise, no wonder you find it extremely hard to put your points through, that and the fact that you make no sense!

It is not Pakistan here.... have a good time with all the piss and **** you swallow daily there.
You made a lot of sense here... perhaps the standard brain of a general Pakistani... you cannot be blamed for that.

Again, stop drinking cow piss (or whatever other piss you prefer) and maybe those damaged brain cells would have a chance to recover. Out of 16 BVR shots 13 scored direct hits and downed 13 Aerial Targets.

16 were not BVR shots.
Only If you can read.... Yugoslav & Serbian MiG-29s

All types of Russian BVR's have been used without success.......not a single, let me repeat NOT A SINGLE BVR KILL TO ANY RUSSIAN BVR MISSILE!!!! I wonder if even their WVR Missiles work! Could be that their radars are useless and unable to guide the missiles or a case of blind leading other blind!

You keep on wondering... with that (no we cannot call that brain)... of yours.


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[Windjammer]

Nothing is invincible...... J-11/Flanker in the gun sight of a J-10.

 

[Dazzler]

The model ordered by the Russian military is a “localized” version of the “Indian” Su-30MKI. Earlier, Komsomolsk-on-Amur delivered to the Air Force four “localized” Su-30MK2’s.


And yes the SU-30 MKI is our customised version as we use Israeli, French and Indian technology

The Su-30MKI is a fusion of technology from the Su-37 demonstrator and Su-30 program, with additional Indian designed and built processor hardware in the Mission Computers, Radar Data Processor provide under the Vetrivale (Lance) industry program, and some items of Israeli and EU hardware. The aircraft has a Sextant Avionique HUD and RLG (Ring Laser Gyro) INS/GPS, glass cockpits, NIIP N011M phased array, AL-31FP TVC engines, enlarged rudders, Su-33/35/37 canards and aerial refuelling probe, and an improved OLS-30 IRST package. The Indian developed Tarang RWR is used in the EWSP suite. The TVC system in the Su-30MKI has evolved beyond the Su-37 system, which deflected only in the vertical plane. The Su-30MKI variant has a 32 degree canted TVC plane to introduce a lateral and vertical vectored force component, and is driven by the engine's fuel system rather than main aircraft hydraulic loop.

Since 2003, more details have also been revealed about the N-011M BARS ('Panther') hybrid phased array radar designed for the Su-35/37 and supplied on the Su-30MKI and likely the Su-30MKM. The BARS phased array assembly is mechanically steerable to +/-55 degrees off-boresight, providing a total field of regard in azimuth of +/-100 degrees off-boresight - in effect the combination of mechanical array steering and electronic beam steering provides full forward hemispherical coverage. NIIP claim a 3 dB noise figure three channel receiver, and an average transmit power of 1.2 kW, with 1 kW in illuminator mode for semi-active missiles. Air-air modes include Track While Scan for 15 targets and concurrent engagement of four, raid assessment and Non-Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR). Air-surface modes include real beam mapping, Doppler beam sharpening, Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imaging, Ground/Maritime Moving Target Indicator (GMTI/MMTI), target position measurement and GMTI tracking of two concurrent targets. Aerial fighter sized targets have been acquired at 76 NMI, and moving tanks at 25 NMI. While reports of an Active ESA (AESA) have surfaced, details are as yet not available to the public.

The Indian Su-30MKI is to date the most advanced Su-27 derivative to enter production and with the exception of mission avionics and software is a credible equivalent to the F-15E/I/K/S family. It also underscores the 'no holds barred' international arms market, in which an export customer is supplied with a product which is half a generation ahead of the Russian air force - the IAF designates it as its Air Dominance Fighter.


Sukhoi Flankers - The Shifting Balance of Regional Air Power

MKI is just a customized version for India, nothing else. Same is the case with MKM for Malaysia. The SM version is most advanced version to date.

 

[DARKY]

SP-518 (self protection) and SP-14 (stand off) jammers complement each other. Chinese have them both with SU-30 MKK/ MKK2 which have improved AL-31 engines and generators.

Where do you buy such BS from ?
Where is the source for this... or the usual insider told you who said about Nozh ERA and Kombat being loaded from hand..

 

[Yeti]

MKI is just a customized version for India, nothing else. Same is the case with MKM for Malaysia. The SM version is most advanced version to date.

The most advanced version is the SU-35 the MKI is the best version for India.


The aircraft's integrated electronic warfare system includes a Tarang radar warning system, indigenously produced by the Indian Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), and systems supplied by Israeli manufacturers.

The Malaysian Su-30MKM is fitted with a missile approach warning system and laser warner by Saab Avitronics in South Africa.

 

[DARKY]

Who told you the Russians ordered "Indian" version for their Su-30 fleet?

Their Su-30 is at least twice as better as your MKI featuring Su-35 technology particularly mission computer, integrated sensor suite and EW. Go to the Russian defence thread on this forum or do tell me if you need online sources.

At least do Justice to your post here...

*faceplam*
The Su30MK was ordered for PLAN much before Su35 could mature for tests with the new computers and EW suit.
The version used by PLAN has strengthen airframe to carry more load for ground attack mission and is much less capable than baseline Su30MK in air-air combat forget about that being anywhere near Su30MK2/3..... Su30MKI or Su35 are far off.

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Why are you posting this outside forum what for ?
Did you even look the dates ?... Su30MKI was not even ready by 2002...

 

[Dazzler]

At least do Justice to your post here...

*faceplam*
The Su30MK was ordered for PLAN much before Su35 could mature for tests with the new computers and EW suit.
The version used by PLAN has strengthen airframe to carry more load for ground attack mission and is much less capable than baseline Su30MK in air-air combat forget about that being anywhere near Su30MK2/3..... Su30MKI or Su35 are far off.

You have been busted repeatedly but you regather your BS and come for more...

Your beloved Ausair power says it. Check the bottom


Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback; Russia's New Heavy Strike Fighter

MKK retained as a test bed in Russia

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/mos2009_day02.html

 

[Yeti]

took six years to develop from start to MKI. Advanced avionics were developed by DRDO under a project code named "Vetrivale" (a Tamil name for the victorious lance carried by the youthful Lord Karthikeya or Murugan, a son of Parvati and Shiva) in close collaboration with the PSUs and the IAF. Indian avionics have been received and acknowledged enthusiastically by the Russian principals.




The following are the components developed by Indian agencies:




Mission Computer cum Display Processor - MC-486 and DP-30MK (Defence Avionics Research Establishment - DARE)

Radar Computer - RC1 and RC2 (DARE)

Tarang Mk2 Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) + High Accuracy Direction Finding Module (HADF) (DARE)

IFF-1410A - Identification Friend or Foe (IFF)

Integrated Communication suite INCOM 1210A (HAL)

Radar Altimeter - RAM-1701 (HAL)

Programmable Signal Processor (PSP) - (LRDE)

Multi Function Displays (MFD) - Samtel/DARE

 

[DARKY]

I don't want to spoil the Belief some people have over their PAF... and Its BVR capability but too much ranting that we are prepared and relax and don't need to worry etc..etc.. is not what your beloved PAF thinks thats why they pushed for BVR induction... after a Gap of over 10years behind inferior to IAF in this regard and you people say they are relaxed.. how shameful you don't even appreciate the effort.

Here another ace up sleeve IAF EW capabilities.

Other than this there are also IR and EO versions too.

 

[Dazzler]

BARS is by no means as majestic as some claim it to be...


Sukhoi Su-30 MKI

 

[DARKY]

You have been busted repeatedly but you regather your BS and come for more...

Your beloved Ausair power says it. Check the bottom


Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback; Russia's New Heavy Strike Fighter

MKK retained as a test bed in Russia

Moscow 2009 Day 2

What do you want to convey using this picture ?
http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/moscow_2009_files/day02_031.jpg

And why are you posting about Su34 full back... I have already stated half a dozen times that Su34 carriers those EW equipment.


My inferior brain now cannot understand your High quality posts... spare me.

BARS is by no means as majestic as some claim it to be...


Sukhoi Su-30 MKI

Article dates back to 2004 8 years have past BARS already have had atleast 2-3 upgrades.
Why don't you see the date before posting anything ?

 

[Dazzler]

What do you want to convey using this picture ?
http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/moscow_2009_files/day02_031.jpg

And why are you posting about Su34 full back... I have already stated half a dozen times that Su34 carriers those EW equipment.


My inferior brain now cannot understand your High quality posts... spare me.



Article dates back to 2004 8 years have past BARS already have had atleast 2-3 upgrades.
Why don't you see the date before posting anything ?

Conclusion:

You specialize in ranting, not debating.

 

[Yeti]

BARS is by no means as majestic as some claim it to be...


Sukhoi Su-30 MKI

What is this cheap blog you are posting?

The advent of the Flanker saw the introduction of the N001 radar, intended to match the US APG-63. While the radar did not meet expectations, it is the baseline of the Su-30K radar flown by the Indians in the Cope India 2004 exercise in which late model APG-63 equipped F-15Cs were defeated in simulated BVR combat.

By the time of Cope India, Russian industry was delivering the first production examples of the NIIP N011M BARS hybrid ESA on early Indian AF Su-30MKI Flankers. Until recently the BARS was the highest performing radar on any fighter other than the F-22A - while the AWG-9/APG-71 has marginally better power aperture performance, the hybrid array design of the BARS gives it around 6 dB better sensitivity.


http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Flanker-Radars.html

 

[Black Widow]

@Mav3rick :


1. RCS doesn't matter in 4th gen warfare, No matter how low or huge the RCS is.
2. In same generation fighterplane AAMs can't guarentee sure kill... In one incident F16 and MiG25 exchanged 10 Missiles without scoring a single kill.
3. F15 has massive RCS still its unbeatable.
4. Bigger plane means more space, more avionics , more weapons.
5. Small plane can have advantage of agility, but that count only in WVR scenario.

JF17 is not even matured to call 4th gen fighter (even accepted by Pakistani think thanks), Its still evolving. Su30 MKI is 4+ gen fighter. For sure MKI has all advantage over FC1. Please don't bring one generation below fighter to counter MKI.

In one of my post in this thread I have posted an line about MKI "Team red (USAF) paid heavy price by pitching low end fighter against MKI". Trust me USAF low end fighters are better than PAF high end fighters....

The only thing can counter a heavy fighter is is heavy fighter or SAMs...

 

[DARKY]

Conclusion:

You specialize in ranting, not debating.

Your debate is for all to see.... go and come back when you have some strong argument and stop posting useless pages and outside forum pages which are from 10-8 years back and prehistoric times.