How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[Srinivas]

No it was the intolerant Hindus who even twist their own books to satisfy themselves....they cant accept anything in its original form and want to add their whims in everything...

You got it wrong there !!

Dharmic principles are flexible in the sense they advocate pluralistic views about GOD, also they say There are more than one way to reach GOD. Hindus do not follow the holy texts exactly, there is a dharma called Yuga Dharma which is flexible and is changing with times. The Dharma during the times of Ramayana or Mahabharata is not exactly the same as Kalyuga Dharma, that is present times.

There are some basic concepts which are Rigid. Vedas or Upanishads are not changeable, even a single letter is not permitted to change.

And mind you there is always a believer (Hindu) and a non believer (non hindu) in every religion so it was sheer stupidity for some to use this as an attack or victim complex plan!

Same can also be said about Abrahamic religions !!

 

[Derolo]

Yes, I called you liar because you are one. Muslims were never in a position to start any riot in Hindu majority India and they never did. It was always fanatic Hindus who went on the killing spree and managed to hide their crimes against humanity due to their control of print and electronic media. With the advent of social media, your heinous crimes against humanity (Muslims are not the only target, you have as much persecuted Dalits, Christians, and Sikhs) are becoming more apparent.

99% of communal riots in India are started by muslims. You are either ignorant, uniformed, a pathalogical liar or most likely a combination of one or more

Indian media is fiercly pro-muslim every Indian living in India would acknowledge that. what are you? A pakistani living in malaysia LOL

Muslims persecute Dalits, Christians and Sikhs as much as Hindus.

In fact Sikhs are the only ones who have taken revenge. Look at Punjab,India. A few hundred muslims left. Its a pure state. No contamination. Least number of muslims across in India.

 

[syedali73]

Hatred and intolerance was started by Muslims dividing people into believers and non believers.

Crap. Listen to you swami jee.

Jo hamrey Raam ka nahin, woh hamarey kaam ka nahin, Chhutti.

 

[Dubious]

U r blatant justification for everything either based on false flag propaganda logic or funding by someone else logic.

Coz I question it doesnt mean I justify it!

If I were justifying it I would be throwing proves and videos at you rather than questioning it!

 

[Dubious]

No there really isn't evidence swinging both ways. On one side is facts, on the either side is far fetched ideas. There is no equivalency there. It's only in the minds of the most hardcore conspiracy theorists and people who just don't want to face the truth for their own reasons.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out old patterns of govt mingling in other countries wouldnt stage something in their own..it is well known political rule to play such a card!

 

[he-man]

Crap. Listen to you swami jee.

Jo hamrey Raam ka nahin, woh hamarey kaam ka nahin, Chhutti.

Listen to this then

No doubt both sides are equally stupid but u won't admit ur side has faults too,hence ur utter bias.

 

[syedali73]

99% of communal riots in India are started by muslims. You are either ignorant, uniformed, a pathalogical liar or most likely a combination of one or more

Indian media is fiercly pro-muslim every Indian living in India would acknowledge that. what are you? A pakistani living in malaysia LOL

Muslims persecute Dalits, Christians and Sikhs as much as Hindus.

In fact Sikhs are the only ones who have taken revenge. Look at Punjab,India. A few hundred muslims left. Its a pure state. No contamination. Least number of muslims across in India.

You are surely a very good follower of Goebbels, who was an excellent follower of Chankaya. Repetition of your lies wont make them truth so you keep repeating them as much you like. Logic defies what you are claiming. Thirteen percent Muslims have started riots 99% of times.

 

[Srinivas]

Crap. Listen to you swami jee.

Jo hamrey Raam ka nahin, woh hamarey kaam ka nahin, Chhutti.

Let me tell you one thing when Islam arrived in India to India's west coast, People showed tolerance and also offered their support. But the People later learnt the Islamic Ideology and their intolerance, how they try to make majority a minority and make Arabia as the centre of the world.

People started retaliation!!

Those are the times when clashes between People are native faiths and Muslims occurred.

 

[he-man]

Coz I question it doesnt mean I justify it!

If I were justifying it I would be throwing proves and videos at you rather than questioning it!

What video and proofs?
For things that never happened.

We both know its not gonna happen.But u have neatly justified everything on the garb of this being propaganda which is deplorable to say the least.

 

[khujliwal]

I would suggest that was probably inner hatred OR seriously accusation out of hatred....You are talking about individual vs group level....its a different level!

What qualifies as group level? Here is Gujrat where there was clear provocation. Aftermath is 790 Muslim and 254 Hindu casualties. Nothing compared to the one sided sectarian violence in Pakistan. You were slightly provoked during Musharraf's rule by red mosque, result- more than 150 Muslims died. Nobody from R mosque had killed anyone, so why such an atrocity? As I said before, these threads are repeatedly opened to fish for the Indian members, so as to ban them. The whole contentwa, contextwa and intentwa is obvious.

 

[SrNair]

The numbers for all the Muslims killed in India due to anti Muslim riots has never been mentioned and I bet those xyz number is somewhat garbage to you (just following your line of thought)
Your people are doing all these riots as for us we are after our "elected" idiots and asking for reform...Had we not been asking or had been satisfied for likes of Saudi kissers like NS (like majority of Indians are always jumping into PTI threads and supporting NS like he is their illegitimate child)...that may have been a point to bring this in but for now its derailing at its best!

What do you know about Indian Muslims except that myopic visions of that incidents propogated by News?
I would say you know nothing.Indian Muslims are blood brothers of us.We dont need your certificate that how we treat them.
you know what the same pseudo secular parties propogated same BS for around 12 years against Narendra Modi and same Indians (both Muslims and liberals ) dumped these pseudo secular without any remorse.
Thousands of Hindus were died because of these riots.But we dont repeat the same stereotype for decades.Because we dont interested in it. for us,our minority brothers India is first.

Till now noone from minority group face a fate like that happens to their counterparts in Pakistan.Now we are giving

citizenship to those poor minority refugees from Pakistan.
can you show me a single example of like this in Pakistan?
If you can then I would agree with you.

 

[Dubious]

I studied in a hindu school till 6 th standard.
Then a sikh school for 4 years.

There is 0 religious education/content in indian books.
Go and check urself
National Council Of Educational Research And Training :: Home

Feel free to open any book and challenge me here.Should i show u pakistani books by the way prescribed not by madarassa which i will not include but normal public schools here?

Yet you call it a Hindu school and a Sikh school? If there is no religious content then why label schools?

Pakistan is not the topic of this thread mind you I have never schooled in Pakistan I wouldnt know what you are showing me to be true or not!

And I think you got me wrong!

He said he feels like puking due to the intolerance...Heck intolerance is not thought in school it is picked up from the surroundings! When you people say it is ok to go to shrines coz we go there too....but ask why women want to cover their heads or why men want to grow beards when you never questioned why women wear a scarf when going to temple and Sikh men grow beards too....when your own community mix and accepts and becomes intolerant and tries to seek another way in someone else's religion or make jokes based on it...what kind of tolerance are you depicting?

 

[syedali73]

Let me tell you one thing when Islam arrived in India to India's west coast, People showed tolerance and also offered their support. But the People later learnt the Islamic Ideology and their intolerance, how they try make majority a minority and make Arabia as the centre of the world.

People started retaliation!!

Those are the times when clashes between People are native faiths and Muslims occurred.

First Hindu Muslim riots took place in 1875. Get to read the history if little bit is remained intact from molestation and distortion of Hindutva terrorists.

 

[lavenge lavenge]

How was the provocative burning even logical to begin with?
.

Your statement was invalid. You need to ask " Whether two wrong makes it right" not " whether two rights make a wrong ".

How is it JUST AND MORAL?.

Answer was included in very next statement. I am not in a habit of repeating myself.

An eye for an eye is law of Moses not Hindus...arent you supposed to be peaceful people?

Hindus are not book people. Instead no religion except Judaism, Islam, and Christanity is book religion. There is no inviolable Hindu laws.

And that explanation was based on secular moral principles, not talmundic jurisprudence. Riots in wake of Godhra train burning were just and moral because of it's utility, not divinity.

On a collective level, only utility matters. Thus it does not absolve perpetrators of both Train Burning and riots of their personal impropriety, but it does make riots on collective level, just.

And who are you kidding by saying it is necessary? then why bring in all from Chechnya to Israel to USA ...all that should fall under just and moral, right?

All these examples were brought forth to highlight double standard of Muslims. These are example of conflicts where muslims are acting like savages and savagery is being done on them.

Point is why cry victimhood when you are participating in ( sometime instigating ) violence? Why this hypocrisy?

It is not an answer....I ask again...

WHY WOULD A GROUP of Muslims who are outnumbered pick a fight with a larger group and let the blame fall on their Muslim brothers and Sisters?

If you think this answers it (your opening para):

Already Answered.

Not my problem if you do not like the answer.

 

[he-man]

What qualifies as group level? Here is Gujrat where there was clear provocation. Aftermath is 790 Muslim and 254 Hindu casualties. Nothing compared to the one sided sectarian violence in Pakistan. You were slightly provoked during Musharraf's rule by red mosque, result- more than 150 Muslims died. Nobody from R mosque had killed anyone, so why such an atrocity? As I said before, these threads are repeatedly opened to fish for the Indian members, so as to ban them. The whole contentwa, contextwa and intentwa is obvious.

u mean to say i am going down again?