How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[lavenge lavenge]

May Allah bless Mohammad Ali Jinnah's soul. Thank you for giving us Pakistan.

Yes .Thanks indeed.

 

[he-man]

Please hurry. Good luck sire. I see you are counter trolling effectively.

@he-man Why you forget that ISIS is funded by Jews, the twin towers were grounded by Bush and Ajmal Kasab was actually Amar Singh?

Actually i too believed that obl was killed long time ago but had it been the truth al qaeda would not have owned up to his death hence mystery solved.

Apollo landing too is a controversy but nasa has given credible evidence especially why the flag seems to be taut as if air ir present.The flag simply had a thin aluminium wire passing through top border to keep it tight.

So this was debunked too.

 

[he-man]

I would suggest that was probably inner hatred OR seriously accusation out of hatred....You are talking about individual vs group level....its a different level!

U r logic is skewed and totally defensive.
U seem to be trying to find logic in terrorism,there is none.

They are all dying fighting a war that has no personal reward.

 

[skullMAN]

ABOUT Gujarat riots .....JAISI KARNI WAISI BHARNI

 

[Joeblow]

I never said any of that....Please point out how you got to such a "summary"

I guess I must have misunderstood you when you said "those who went with the Gujarat massacre... Oops he's your PM". You must have meant Manmohan Singh.

Okk when you call those who burnt the train as stupid...the same label should fall on those who went with the Gujarat Massacre...Oops now he is you PM! Funny isnt it?

I must also have misunderstood you when you said nothing was established on 9/11, Godhra or Mumbai incidents either.

NOTHING has been established...Had it been conspiracy theories wouldnt get a chance to spew stuff based on the very evidence thrown in coz CONSPIRACY theories ALSO rely on evidence! If the evidence are not sound hence alternative theories come to play!

Of course, the obvious reason for my misunderstanding would be that you said it. But keeping in vein with your reasoning, let's go with: it's early in my part of the world, and I haven't yet had my morning coffee.

 

[SrNair]

An unfortunate incident that even Gujarati Muslims forgot once and for all.But some guys from the other side is still smoking their head by repeating the so called massacre .For them life of 300 Hindus are just a garbage.
And they dont even care about their minorities .And we can see the increasing refugees from Pakistan in to India now a days.For those who are unwantedly sharing should read this thread by your own
author.

Unequal before the law!

@syedali @Akhelios

 

[Dubious]

Godhra train burning is part of topic. It would never be divested from Gujarat riots because it is root cause of Gujarat riot. No Train Burning-No Riots. Simple.

(even though this question does not make sense because of logical error but)

How was the provocative burning even logical to begin with?

Swift and Proportionate/ reaction is perfectly just and moral. It may be immoral from Kantian Moral pov , but an eye for an eye is not only just and moral but also necessary from utilitarian principles. And for any collective action,only utilitarian morality is relevant.

How is it JUST AND MORAL?
An eye for an eye is law of Moses not Hindus...arent you supposed to be peaceful people?

And who are you kidding by saying it is necessary? then why bring in all from Chechnya to Israel to USA ...all that should fall under just and moral, right?

If Hindus do not react to aggression of Muslims with violence, they would be setting up a bad precedent in which muslims think that it is completely OK for them to burn trains full of Hindu pilgrims and this act would occur again and again.

This can also be used for Hamas....as how Israelis have been treating Palestinians...So you should support Hamas unless of course you are a hypocrite

Muslims could not have their cake and eat it too. If they kill infidels for some dubious promise of heaven and hoories, they should not complain when infidels react with violence.

Well thats for Indian Muslims to think about...

So!!!!!

When Israelis would retaliate against Hamas,

Like you said

If Muslims do not react to aggression of Zionists with violence, they would be setting up a bad precedent in which Zionists think that it is completely OK for them to burn their homes and kill their children

See your hypocrisy?

some civilians would die too, in crossfire.

Prob what happened with the Gujarat train, no? Crossfire?

And your own source states that Israel has started investigation into the incident which is clearly a case civilian victim not following military orders ( going to left where snipers were posted with " Thou shall not Pass" orders , rather than going right)

. That maybe for show coz this is not even under the carpet anymore: Breaking the Silence › Israeli soldiers talk about the occupied territories

Compare this with Pali intifada where murders of civilians( not military ) are celebrated as martyrs and Hamas goad Palis into attacking Israeli civilians.

Or how Israelis go on a hill top to watch the destruction of their neighbours and cheer?

Both were part of Yugoslavia. Croatia started ethnic cleansing of Serbs. Serbs cleansed Bosniak Muslims. US attacked Serbs because Serbs had good relation with Russia. In this whole saga, muslims were crying about genocide of Bosniak Muslims while completely ignoring Genocide of Serbs done by Muslims in Parallel.

Not that simple....

Thought process of Muslims is Islamic thought process. Or are you implying that muslims are invalids whose life need to be micromanaged by a book.

Thought process of ANY terrorist irrespective of religion is the same...max chaos + max murder + max damage...No book teaches it but greedy and angered men can teach themselves as you put it yourself:

Swift and Proportionate/ reaction is perfectly just and moral. It may be immoral from Kantian Moral pov , but an eye for an eye is not only just and moral but also necessary from utilitarian principles. And for any collective action,only utilitarian morality is relevant.

Your question has been answered many time ( including once again in opening paragraph of this very post ). It is not problem of other posters that you did not liked the answer.

It is not an answer....I ask again...

WHY WOULD A GROUP of Muslims who are outnumbered pick a fight with a larger group and let the blame fall on their Muslim brothers and Sisters?

If you think this answers it (your opening para):

Godhra train burning is part of topic. It would never be divested from Gujarat riots because it is root cause of Gujarat riot. No Train Burning-No Riots. Simple.

Source: How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat | Page 6

I said it ,and it comes from common sense.

If someone commits violence, he/she should expect violence in return. It is a law of nature. How more simple could it be?

Then the common sense should be applied in Palestine...they have been oppressed pushed off their land continuously for decades! Using this formula every attack they do is justifiable! I mean imagine Godhra train repeated over decades! Why the hypocrisy? You dont seem to see Palestinian Muslims as equal to Gujarat Pilgrims of the train?....

 

[Joeblow]

May Allah bless Mohammad Ali Jinnah's soul. Thank you for giving us Pakistan.

Believe me, every morning, millions of peole wake up on the other side of the border and say that exact thing too

 

[SrNair]

So its justifiable? 2 wrongs make a right? Then another 2 wrongs will make another right for the Muslims and so on...

You should think with an out of box mentality.Indians Muslims actually hate and have anger about you
when you talk on the behalf of them,Do you know that?
Have you any idea about
plight of the minorities in Pakistan ?

 

[he-man]

Believe me, every morning, millions of peole wake up on the other side of the border and say that exact thing too

Truth has been spoken

 

[syedali73]

Muslims started it. Hindus ended it.

Muslims learnt a lesson and everyone lived happily ever after.

You and your buddies are a habitual and shameless liars who say Muslims started it and Hindus finished it.

1. In October 1946, in Bihar, between 7,000 and 8,000 people were killed in an anti-Muslim riot.

2. During the 1969 Gujarat riots, it is estimated that 630 people lost their lives.

3. In 1980 in Moradabad, an estimated 2,500 people were killed.

4. In 1989 in Bhagalpur, it is estimated nearly 1,000 people lost their lives in violent attacks.

5. The destruction of the Babri Mosque by Hindu terrorists led directly to the 1992 Bombay Riots which claimed thousands of lives.

This is your true and ugly face.

 

[lavenge lavenge]

I am waiting for my answer....Which every single Indian who has come along has ignored!

Why those idiots started it could be alot of handful reasons, to provoke the Hindus to attack the Muslims - logically, only means those who burnt the train were not Muslims as you said with full knowledge of being outnumbered....Why would a Muslim do that and see his own Muslim people get the bashing?

This is pretty stupid conjecture.

Muslims usually get away with committing violence in past, and add religious fervor which is equivalent to temporary insanity to the mix and you have a logical explanation of this deed.

And Muslims were 100% Majority in area where that Train was burnt . They were not outnumbered and were not under any threat of physical Harm.They fried those Kuffars alive in their religious Zeal.

This point is reinforced by complete absence of Riots in Gujarat after 2002. Since Hindus established that they have capacity to commit religious violence in the aftermath of Godhra, Muslims have behaved themselves and are acting logically. Before Godhra, it was a common belief ( it still is among vast swathe of muslims arond the world ) that infidel would not react.

 

[Dubious]

I guess I must have misunderstood you when you said "those who went with the Gujarat massacre... Oops he's your PM". You must have meant Manmohan Singh.

Sarcasm and I never brought him in again after that....and I never presented any proofs for that is just something happening in your mind

So to sum up your posts on this thread, there is evidence that Modi had Muslims killed in Gujarat

but not evidence that the 9/11 conspirators, the Godhra arsonists and Ajmal Kasab were Muslims?

I must also have misunderstood you when you said nothing was established on 9/11, Godhra or Mumbai incidents either.

Is it wrong if I question it? If there are established evidence why has there been room for conspiracy? - So yes I stand by what I said....As in the evidence seem to swing both ways!

Of course, the obvious reason for my misunderstanding would be that you said it. But keeping in vein with your reasoning, let's go with: it's early in my part of the world, and I haven't yet had my morning coffee.

Go have it I need dinner

 

[SarthakGanguly]

This is your true and ugly face.

Chalo at least somebody saw it.

 

[Koovie]

The amount of pure hatred makes me wanna puke.......