How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[he-man]

This forum is full of them. However, very few threads are opened on the Hindutva terrorism, which is even more dangerous than Al-Qaeda or IS. For the first time in the history, terrorists have access to the nuclear arsenal.

Tells about ur bias.
The same terrorists were in power for 5 years from 1999 to 2004 too
As for hindutva more dangerous than isis and al qAeda!!

LOL

 

[syedali73]

Unraveling the Truth: Book Review: Godse's Children by Subhash Gatade
by Ram Puniyani

(Book Reviewed: Godse’s Children- Hindutva Terror in India, Pharos Media, Delhi, Pages 400, Rs 360, Pb)

Terrorist violence has been one of the major problems of recent times. This phenomenon came to popular notice more so after the 9/11 attack on WTC, which was followed by, apart from other things, popularization of the terms ‘Islamic Terror’, ‘Jehdi terror’. The popular perception associating Terrorism with Islam and Muslims dominated the ‘social common sense’ and acts of terror got associated with Islam and Muslims. It is in this context that when two Bajrang dal workers died while making bombs in Nanded, Maharashtra, the Maharashtra ATS, did not pursue the investigation to its logical conclusion to unravel the whole truth. It is in this light that when most of the acts of terror took place around Parbhani, Jalna, Aurangabad, Ajmer, Mecca Masjid, Malegaon, and Samjhauta Express blast, that authorities rushed to investigate those acts on the lines that ‘all terrorists are Muslims’, many a innocent Muslim youth were arrested and some of them released much later for the lack of proper evidence, whatsoever, by which time the lives of most of them were ruined.

It was Hemant Karkare, who meticulously investigated the Malegaon blast and, much against the intimidation from the likes of Narendra Modi and Bal Thackeray, put forward the truth of involvement of Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, Swami Dayanand Pandey, Lt Col Purohit and other groups associated with RSS ideology. With further perusal of the issue gradually the role of Hindutva groups Sanatan Sanstha, Abhinav Bharat and even some members of RSS started coming to light, in cases of blasts which occurred in front of mosques when congregation was just over, or in Samjhauta express blast.

This is the backdrop in which one welcomes the meticulous and well articulated contribution by Subhash Gatade. Gatade has been consistently writing against the sectarian politics of Hindutva forces-RSS combine. This book was contemplated in this context, when the Hindutva elements were exploding bombs here and there and the investigation authorities were looking the other way around. The result was that the likes of sadhvi, swamis and their associates, were merrily getting away without getting any punishment. This comprehensive volume is very strong on investigation of different episodes of act of terror, covering most of the blasts done by Hindutva elements, the major being the span of blasts from Nanded blasts 2006 to the confessions of Swami Aseemanand. Each of these acts has been presented and the immaculate evidence of the involvement of RSS affiliates and those inspired by the RSS ideology of Hindu Nation is laid bare in an incontestable way. After the reading of even the few chapters of the book, one realizes how misplaced has been the investigation in these cases, how distorted has been the social common sense of people and the authorities in these matters.

To add to the strength of the book, we have an apt introduction by Dr. Shamsul Islam, who himself is an authority on RSS. This is an important part of the book and outlines the ideology of RSS, its agenda of Hindu nation, its clever ways of instigating violence and how its structure has been kept fluid enough to keep it insulated from the impact of its members who indulge in violence. The book demands in a forthright manner from RSS, the list of members who were asked to leave or have left due to their involvement in acts of terror. The RSS chief had stated that RSS does not indulge in violence; and those of its members who were indulging in it have already left or have been told to leave. One knows that starting from Nathuram Godse to Swami Assemanand, were the part of RSS as an organization and as vehicles of its agenda and work. It came to be claimed that they have ‘left’ RSS. This is a shrewd and clever arrangement and the book lays bare this methodology of the RSS which controls innumerable organizations to actualize its agenda. The confusion between the terms Hinduism and Hindutva has been elaborated competently. Gatade does well to discuss the definition of the complex term, ‘terrorism’ and also incorporates the state terrorism in his exposition. The latter is generally ignored in the discourse of terrorism as such.

What emerges from this book is that the saffron terror, Hindutva terror, has twin foundations. One, it is a sort of response; a revenge to many acts of terror by the groups identified as Muslim groups, and two this terror trail has been brought up to pursue the agenda of Hindu nation to target the Muslim minorities. These acts, with their anti-Muslim focus are to achieve Hindu rashtra according to their plan. The author brings to fore the influence of RSS ideology in army, the role of Bhosla Military School, virtually controlled by RSS, and the role of some army officers in facilitating the acts of terror by these groups. Lt. Col Purohit, the accused in Malegaon blast, who also supplied RDX from army stores to the Hindutva terror groups, is one such officer, and he may tip of the iceberg. This has a very frightening prospect for our democracy.

The book debunks the popular perceptions which links Islam and Muslims to acts of terror and makes it clear that acts of terror are politically motivated actions with different agendas. The fascination of RSS with the fascist methods being pursued by Israel and the role of Mossad in particular is the high point of the book. Our investigation agencies need to take a cue from this and put their investigations on more professional lines.

The book takes a broad overview of Hindutva politics also and the role of media and the international connections of Hindutva politics are also presented in detail. What is missing is a time line of Hidnutva terror. Such a time line would have made it easy from the reader to see the whole picture in perspective. An Introduction by the author, putting the book in proper context and summarizing the main arguments of the book would have been a valuable addition to this otherwise most timely and revealing contribution from this journalist-activist.

This work is a serious attempt to piece together the statements of the RSS functionaries and the news items in some of the periodicals to come to the conclusions. It is a comprehensive presentation, filling the gaps in popular knowledge about the real causes of terror attacks in India. Pharos Media, the publishers need to be complemented for publishing this second book on the topic, the first one being “Who killed Karkare?” by S. M. Mushrif, which again was an eye opener. Godse’s Children, an apt name for the book, is a must for all those who seek truth in contemporary times, particularly when truth is being suppressed deliberately in pursuit of sectarian agendas. This compendium will go a long way to shape the popular opinion in a correct direction.

 

[he-man]

So its justifiable? 2 wrongs make a right? Then another 2 wrongs will make another right for the Muslims and so on...

Not at all.
But if u live in pakistan or india u know how stupid people are after religion.

These guys were returning from ayodhya after some puja and 59 of them were smoked without any provocation in a sensitive state with history of communal tension.In subcontinent u cannot get away riling the majority population.

Thats the sad truth

 

[unbiasedopinion]

ho gaya shuru phir se .....kutte billi ka khel...bhoo bhoo miao miao.....lad lo laath le kar.

how many threads will be opened on this incident? Why dont you post on the old threads rather than creating a new thread if you dont have anything new to post.

 

[syedali73]

Book: Godse’s Children: Hindutva Terror in India
Author: Subhash Gatade
Price: Rs. 360/
Publisher: Pharos Media & Publishing Private Ltd

In December 2010, when Swami Aseemanand, a ‘former’ RSS pracharak and key functionary of the Sangh backed Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, admitted before a metropolitan magistrate to have planned terror attacks on Ajmer Sharif, Mecca Masjid, Malegaon and the Samjhauta Express; it came as the official seal of the Hindutva terror network in India.

In his confession, recorded under Section 164 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC) before Metropolitan Magistrate Deepak Dabas at Tis Hazari court, Delhi on December 18, Aseemanand confessed that he, and other Hindutva activists, were involved in bombings at Muslim religious places because they wanted to answer every Islamist terror act with “a bomb for bomb’’ policy. “I told everybody that bomb ka jawab bomb se dena chahiye (we should reply to bomb blasts with similar bomb blasts)”, reads his 42-page confession.

Aseemanand categorically named (in his confession) the senior RSS leader Indresh Kumar, the murdered RSS pracharak Sunil Joshi, Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur and senior RSS pracharaks Sandeep Dange and Ramji Kalsangra, among others, as being key conspirators in the terror blasts.What is to be noted here is that, this was not a ‘confession’ that the police forces are known for—the forced kind of confessions, which is not admissible in the court. Rather it was a voluntary one, in the wake of a Hirday Parivatran or change of heart and made before the magistrate under section 164 of the Cr PC, which is also considered as evidence.

However, the question arises, should we take this as an exception or an ‘individual’ act of terror,as often argued by the Sangh leaders? Would it be proper to believe that the Parivar people were unaware of their fellow activists’ actions, given the hierarchal and disciplined nature of the Parivar? The book Godse’s Children: Hindutva Terror in India by Subhash Gatade, ably answers these questions.

Subhash Gatade, as many of us would know, is one of the foremost independent journalists and long-time activist of human rights and social justice. He has been writing constantly and consistently about Hindutva politics, terror and issues of repression and exclusion. Over a period of more than two decades, he has followed many cases and written on them extensively.

In his two books released, he deals with the above subject at great length and reveals important facts about the Hindutva forces, its allies, network, politics and agendas—both short and long term. While the first book, “Godse’s Children: Hindutva Terror in India” focuses on the terrorist activities of the Sangh and its allies, the second book, “The Saffron Condition: Politics of Repression and Exclusion in Neo-Liberal India” essentially deals with the policies and politics of Hindutva outfits. The writer, in these two important works also outlines the various processes adopted by these forces in persuasion of their long term agenda—establishment of a Hindu Rashtra.

In Godse’s Children, tracing the historical background and ideological foundation, the writer points out, “Commission after commissions have blamed RSS and its affiliated organizations for their participation in different riots, across the length and breadth of the country…but that was different from the confession—about organizing terror acts—before a judicial magistrate by one amongst them.” (p.32).

Analyzing the RSS chief’s claim, Terrorism and Hindus are oxymorons, Subhash Gatade says, “The thesis of the “oxymoron” has shades of the concept of the Supreme Hindu race emanating from it.” He further writes, “In fact, it can also be interpreted as an indirect admission that whereas Hindus and terrorism are incompatible with each other, terrorism easily gels with non-Hindu religions and communities. Definitely, this is a very dangerous statement to make, not only because it is not based on facts but because it also tries to denigrate every other community and religion, and also because it tries to terrorize them. It can, thus, be seen as a poor attempt to deflect attention from the umpteen crimes committed by Hindu fanatics. ” (p.71)

On Hindutvisation of Military forces, while discussing the case of Col. Purohit, the author notes, “Involvement of military personnel in such activities can happen in multiple ways: i.ideological; ii. direct participation; iii. in the role of facilitator. While people like Purohit could be categorised as “direct participants” in such activities, it can be easily guessed that there might be many more of his ilk who may not have played any direct role in such activities, but would have acted as facilitators and ideological input givers to the project.” (p. 135)

To substantiate his claim, the writer quotes the former Naval Chief, Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, who says, “There’s a clear majoritarian view in the military. The RSS has always had an agenda to infiltrate the armed forces, the intelligence services and the bureaucracy." (p. 136)

The writer in this book proficiently documents hundreds of cases of Hindutva terror carried out in different parts of India and concludes, “…if the political leadership, intelligence agencies and the police were interested, it would have been possible to avoid many innocent deaths at the hands of self –proclaimed pioneers of Hindu Rashtra trying their best to turn the dreams of Sawarkar,Hedegawar and Golwakar in to reality.” (p. 187)

While dealing with the Global dimensions of Hindutva forces, Gatade point out that, “…for quite some time, Hindutva extremists in Nepal have maintained close relations with extremist forces on the Indian side of the border. This relationship had blossomed during the colonial period in India itself, when one found elements belonging to the RSS or Hindu Mahasabha frequenting Nepal or using its example to demonstrate their “model state”.

As “For the Sangh Parivar, Nepal happened to be the only state in the world where the “one nation, one people, one culture” weltanschauung of Hindu rasthra was already in place.”(p.251) In this section, the author also deals with the role of the Israeli Intelligence agency, Mossad.

Towards the end of the book, while concluding, the author seeks our urgent attention and action as he demands, “A lot depends upon the way the secular forces react to the on-going investigations. Whether they would focus themselves on the role of the State only, and confine themselves to issuing statements and appearing in talk shows only, or they are ready to take up the gauntlet thrown by the challenges of Hindutva Terror in a more militant and creative way that would be the deciding factor”. (p. 318)

After reading the book one would find it to be a gross under-estimation, in fact criminal negligence, if one thought these to be individual acts and the first terrorist activity planned and carried out by the Sangh and its ilk. Because the politics of hate and terror were never absent from the Sangh Parivar's systems.

“The tag of terrorism”, as rightly pointed out by Dr. Shamshul Islam, who is an authority on Hindutva politics in India, “is not something new”. The history of the anti-national and terrorist activities of the RSS is very long and can be traced to its roots. It is because of its activities that the RSS and its network have been repeatedly censured by umpteen numbers of commissions of inquiry for its complicity in communal violence and terrorist activities.

The first of these incidents can be traced way back to June 1934, when the first attempt to kill Mahatma Gandhi was made by Hindutva fanatics in Pune. It is also an established fact that the first terrorist act in independent India, the killing of Mahtama Gandhi was carried out by none other than a ‘former’ pracharak of RSS, Nathu Ram Godse.

 

[Bombaywalla]

The religious nut jobs here seriously need to get a life. Retards!

It must be fun to live your lives according to a fairy tale eh?

 

[he-man]

The world apparently doesnt want you to be happy

I never blame others,i am type A personality,nothing can be dome about it.

 

[Srinivas]

This is only one video and a handful of incidents on Muslims in India, But there are thousands of videos in which Muslims have done murders and killings all in the name of GOD.

If no one answers them they are GOD's warriors, if some one answers their motives then protests, riots and crying starts.

This type of incidents are condemnable, Mobs needs to be controlled when tensions are on the rise !!

 

[SamantK]

This forum is full of them. However, very few threads are opened on the Hindutva terrorism, which is even more dangerous than Al-Qaeda or IS. For the first time in the history, terrorists have access to the nuclear arsenal.

Very few threads are opened cause there is no Hinutva terrorism.
Religious Fanatics, yes.

 

[syedali73]

Very few threads are opened cause there is no Hinutva terrorism.
Religious Fanatics, yes.

Few threads are opened because the growing Hindutva terrorism issue is sweeped under the carpet, but it would not remain like this for ever. The Hindutva terrorists will grow bolder (actually they already have), and commit large -scale atrocities, and a time will come when international community would remain no longer mum.

 

[Jazzbot]

Muslims should not have started riot by burning a trainload of Hindu pilgrims.

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Those who live by sword, die by sword. Why complain?

It goes back to the Dec 2001 actually, when VHP annouced to build a temple at the site of demolished Babri Mosque, on 9th anniversary of Babri Mosque Demolition.

Then next month a controversial ceremony called the Purnahuti Maha Yagna was held at disputed land. VHP organized it despite high tension and sent thousands of people at this pilgrimage. A train was allegedly burnt at Godhra when these pilgrims were returning.

So its not like, the Muslims started the riots by burning the train. It were Hindu's (VHP mainly) who started creating the tension after 9 years of Babri Mosque demolition.

 

[he-man]

Few threads are opened because the growing Hindutva terrorism issue is sweeped under the carpet, but it would not remain like this for ever. The Hindutva terrorists will grow bolder (actually they already have), and commit large -scale atrocities, and a time will come when international community would remain no longer mum.

U need to get rid of ur bias asap.Its getting pathological now.

 

[he-man]

It goes back to the Dec 2001 actually, when VHP annouced to build a temple at the site of demolished Babri Mosque, on 9th anniversary of Babri Mosque Demolition.

Then next month a controversial ceremony called the Purnahuti Maha Yagna was held at disputed land. VHP organized it despite high tension and sent thousands of people at this pilgrimage. A train was allegedly burnt at Godhra when these pilgrims were returning.

So its not like, the Muslims started the riots by burning the train. It were Hindu's (VHP mainly) who started creating the tension after 9 years of Babri Mosque demolition. Who knows the train burning was a conspiracy to stage riots against Muslims?

So creating tension>burning the train and killing people??
If thats how u think u should have no complaints on retaliation afterwards which was equally stupid and condemnable.
U cannot fire bullets from both sides,choose what side are u on.

Either against one riot/form of terrorism or against all.

 

[syedali73]

U need to get rid of ur bias asap.Its getting pathological now.

I have same suggestion for you.

 

[Ragnar]

Hindutva terrorism ROFL.. There is only one religion in the world today mentioned in the same breath as terrorism.