How much is it his own making: Imran Khan Down Fall?

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

your imported govt is crushing Pakistani economy with hyper inflation only to get more IMF loans and here you are crying why Imran Khan govt shared CPEC details with China? IMF needed those details to calculate Pakistan's total debt sustainability so that it could give right amount of loan package to Pakistan

Didn't IK say he will never go to IMF? Who is the liar now? Me or IK?

 

[truthseeker2010]

All the roads, the massive infra now connecting the unconnected parts for the past 70+ years has benefitted Pakistan.

Perhaps we oversold CPEC to the masses just like "we are so rich as we have all the minerals of world" tripe. CPEC has built infrastructure that we could not imagine building ourselves for next 30 years! Take stock of this and realize the magnitude.

So before you get carried away with this simplistic claim "Pakistan has so far not extracted any economic benefits" realize that before you extract anything economically, you need to have connectivity in place.

Economic benefits will come about as we have stability across the less accessible areas (Balochistan). That opens the road to trade across all of Pakistan for countries upstream from us. This will not happen overnight but it is also not due to "CPEC not paying dividends". Its our IS situation that is hampering the expansion and leverage of CPEC.

China has not backed out and neither has any other entity in Pakistan. This is another selfish tactic by PTI supporters to downplay CPEC now when they are not in power. Whether PTI or PML/PDM, CPEC will move forward. We should all be rooting for its success.

Lol I am not pti or any party supporter. You had motorway since 1997, yet ur exports have declined in real terms ever since. It doesn't an Einstein to figure that inaccessible areas have less than 10% of pak population. And the roads have been made so that it would benefit china more unless Pakistan is able to generate economic activity from those remote areas. But that will depend on two factors economic and security. Unless you are able to produce cost effectively, it won't make any difference. Security is a big question mark. Ever wondered why is Pakistan now facing power shortage even with surplus power capacity? so unless you are able to provide cheap energy to your industry and other incentives to investors to boast export. Gwadar and CPEC will remain a liability to Pakistan, because existing ports and highways were and are more than enough, all it needed is modernisation.

 

[Norwegian]

Don't beat around the bush. Why don't you IK fans say it in plain english that you oppose CPEC and our relations with China.

Where did I say that? China could invest in Pakistan's export industry in same billions of dollars amount it spent on non income generating infrastructure projects. But that investment would make Pakistani exports compete with China's so they won't allow it

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

So constitution of Pakistan allows neutral Bajwa to act as country's official foreign minister?
When will neutrals start doing their own constitutionally approved job instead of poking their abnormally large nose in running all state affairs?

I would trust my military over the corrupt politicians when it comes to National security and foreign policy. If it was left to IK, he would have ceded Kashmir to India a long time ago for peace in South Asia.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Most leaders did not even want to meet IK.

Yeh, entirely understandable. Why would they want to meet Ik when they could be tripping to meet the alternatives -

• Bilawal
• Hamza
• Zardari
• Shabaz
• Diesel

Against this illustrious bunch Khan looked like a giberring old fool.

 

[blain2]

your imported govt is crushing Pakistani economy with hyper inflation only to get more IMF loans and here you are crying why Imran Khan govt shared CPEC details with China? IMF needed those details to calculate Pakistan's total debt sustainability so that it could give right amount of loan package to Pakistan

Yara be fair! Inflation was soaring in PTI's tenure. Don't deflect these facts. The subsidies given by PTI were untenable. IK's government was borrowing for time. Had he been around, he would have had to reverse course because there is no money in the system except with the IMF.

What is clear is that our economy completely tanked two months after PTI left government. Where was the economic cushion if their economic performance was so solid? I get it that they inherited a huge problem of an economy, I understand that, but you cannot pass the buck onto the current PDM government either because Miftah Ismail, due to no making of his own, is having to fend for all of Pakistan with the cards that have been dealt to him. So PTI passed on their economic problems to the current government.

 

[Valar.]

This entire thread is a classic case of victim blaming. smh

 

[Norwegian]

Didn't IK say he will never go to IMF? Who is the liar now? Me or IK?

Didn't your imported govt say they came in govt to end Imran Khan's inflation? Who is the liar now? Me or your imported govt?

 

[blain2]

I would trust the my military over the corrupt politicians when it comes to National security and foreign policy. If it was left to IK, he would have ceded Kashmir to India a long time ago for peace in South Asia.

I agree completely with the first part, but I also don't think IK would have betrayed Kashmir. Credit is due where it belongs, he tried his level best to keep IoK issue on the agenda as much as he could.

This entire thread is a classic case of victim blaming. smh

Or deflection...depends on the vantage point.

 

[Norwegian]

I would trust my military over the corrupt politicians when it comes to National security and foreign policy. If it was left to IK, he would have ceded Kashmir to India a long time ago for peace in South Asia.

Hahahaha. Did you trust the military when they along with West Pakistan's politicians became responsible for Dhaka fall?
Imran Khan stopped all trade with India over Kashmir issue, Bughaz Imrani

 

[blain2]

So constitution of Pakistan allows neutral Bajwa to act as country's official foreign minister?
When will neutrals start doing their own constitutionally approved job instead of poking their abnormally large nose in running all state affairs?

Your boss ceded FP to the establishment in return for the crutch that he asked for in 2018. Let's own up please!

Your deflection aside, the relations with Gulf were a complete mess if it weren't for Gen Bajwa. The trips to KSA, China and a few others were to prepare the ground in earnest for his boss to make the trip and be received.

Lol I am not pti or any party supporter. You had motorway since 1997, yet ur exports have declined in real terms ever since. It doesn't an Einstein to figure that inaccessible areas have less than 10% of pak population. And the roads have been made so that it would benefit china more unless Pakistan is able to generate economic activity from those remote areas. But that will depend on two factors economic and security. Unless you are able to produce cost effectively, it won't make any difference. Security is a big question mark. Ever wondered why is Pakistan now facing power shortage even with surplus power capacity? so unless you are able to provide cheap energy to your industry and other incentives to investors to boast export. Gwadar and CPEC will remain a liability to Pakistan, because existing ports and highways were and are more than enough, all it needed is modernisation.

I wil pause you on 1997.

Comparing the "motorway" built for Punjab and used by Punjab does not equate to CPEC.

"But that will depend on two factors economic and security." Please re-read my post. You are making my point to me.

 

[Norwegian]

What is clear is that our economy completely tanked two months after PTI left government. Where was the economic cushion if their economic performance was so solid? I get it that they inherited a huge problem of an economy, I understand that, but you cannot pass the buck onto the current PDM government either because Miftah Ismail, due to no making of his own, is having to fend for all of Pakistan with the cards that have been dealt to him. So PTI passed on their economic problems to the current government.

News flash! PTI never asked PDM to take the buck from them already in 2022, one year before next general elections. PTI govt would have taken all the blame for current economic disaster, as it was responsible for running country's economic affairs since 2018. It was PDM itself that wanted to remove PTI govt by hook or crook to end inflation and now crying like babies because they had to increase inflation many fold to get more IMF loans

 

[imadul]

All the roads, the massive infra now connecting the unconnected parts for the past 70+ years has benefitted Pakistan.

Perhaps we oversold CPEC to the masses just like "we are so rich as we have all the minerals of world" tripe. CPEC has built infrastructure that we could not imagine building ourselves for next 30 years! Take stock of this and realize the magnitude.

So before you get carried away with this simplistic claim "Pakistan has so far not extracted any economic benefits" realize that before you extract anything economically, you need to have connectivity in place.

Economic benefits will come about as we have stability across the less accessible areas (Balochistan). That opens the road to trade across all of Pakistan for countries upstream from us. This will not happen overnight but it is also not due to "CPEC not paying dividends". Its our IS situation that is hampering the expansion and leverage of CPEC.

China has not backed out and neither has any other entity in Pakistan. This is another selfish tactic by PTI supporters to downplay CPEC now when they are not in power. Whether PTI or PML/PDM, CPEC will move forward. We should all be rooting for its success.

Army has back stabbed China by bringing RCO in connivance with US and mafia parties. Pakistan is strategically important to China but if I be a top official of CCP I won't trust Pakistan now. Putin has expressed it in many ways.
China has also said that indirectly.
At one point PAKISTAN-CHINA-RF plus TURKEY & IRAN alliance was to emerge.
Is there any chance of that alliance?
Let's just become India export mandi and become a Bhutan.

China agreed to extend 2.1 trillion loan facility because bajwa went there. China only agreed because they don't act rashly. They will keep Pakistan as much as they can but India - China equation can change that drastically.

 

[SaadH]

Your whole talking point is false.
Who told you coas opposed the pm policy on ukraine russia?
Do you know the chief secretaries involved whose advice took IK to point of no return.

Because Bajwa's statement at the security summit directly contradicted IK's with regards to Ukraine invasion.

 

[MastanKhan]

Dear @MastanKhan ,
It is not Allah's will. But, yes, Allah's promise is not unconditional.

When Allah made a covenant with Ibrahim to make him Imam over people, he asked what about my progeny?

And of my seed?' He said 'My covenant shall not reach the evildoers.'
Albaqra 249.

So what covenant Israelite fulfilled that they get Jerusalem? Nothing
Muslims fell short so they are pushed around. Once they will reform, conditions will start changing.

It is not very long Muslims ruled most of civilized world. About 300 years ago, and they got complacent and colonized.
Karen Armstrong said, "We did not hear any good news from Muslims for 1200 years".
Don't remember the quote exactly.

Qazi Asad Ben Furat Controlled Sicily from his armada off the coast for six months and collected taxes.

When Daniel asked the angel when shall be the end of the abomination in the Book of Daniel
Angel replied, "2300 days, The Rites of the "Sanctuary" Shall be Restored."

Hi,

Sir---you have atypical pakistani / muslim excuses full of incompetence---.

So here is the truth according to your claim---the Israeli God won---the Muslim God lost.

Drawing a wrong analogy there with the Libya and Iraq reference, I'll leave it to someone with deeper insights to explain the fallacy in that argument.

You can't build a house on a weak crumbling structure. Incremental betterment only works if the base is strong. There's only so much refactoring you can do to a code before realizing that the existing sub architecture was made by monkeys scratching their butts.

In Pakistans case the structure has been fully compromised to an extent that building on top of it only delays the inevitable: a loud thundering collapse with reverberations to be heard light years away.

Also there's no narrative that says that IK is some sort of a magical pill that will solve every problem. Pakistan needs a lot of leaders to take it forward.

Leaders, not criminals. That leaves out Sharifs Zardaris and the whole repugnant PDM lot. They have no place in Pakistans future.

Hi,

So true---until the foudation is strong--tHere will be problems.

How did europe maKe its foundations strong---. If you stole A CHICKEN---the punishment could get you as close to a death sentence that you could get.

Ruthless and brutal imposition of law built the foudation over the dead bodies of millions and millions of christians---.

This foundation is so strong---that if ever a european or american public service official is charged with a crime---no one---I mean to say---no friend or ally would come to say " he / she has not done it ".

Because if they did---they could be charged with accessory to a crime and hindering the investigation to a crime---.

Justice and rule of law is the first and foremost the most important pillar f Islam.