How many actual sanghis are present on this forum ?

[xeuss]

What @dharmi wrote a few posts ago is true actually. It's almost like Muslims live in a different world of their own. I had once gone through a Muslim majority area and it just seemed so odd and alien to me. People too were literally staring at me, although women were few, majority of them were in burkhas. And yes, majority Muslims in India certainly seem to be backward. Now you'll say what about Hindus? Yes, Hindus too are backward and Hindus tend to be more casteist but Hindus also tend to be more progressive percentage wise. For example, you can simply take the example of migrants. People in Western countries don't have as much problem with Hindu migrants as they have with Muslims. That's a big indication of how the educated people in those communities fare.

For all their hate of Brahmins, Muslims literally act like Brahmins in the sense that they consider themselves superior to 'kaffirs' since they consider their religion as superior. Another reason why they don't assimilate as much with others as they think that they might be exposed 'Un-Islamic' thinking or 'Un-Islamic' ideas or 'Un-Islamic' culture.

I once had gone to a Hindu village outside of Jaisalmer. It seemed so odd and alien to me. There were hardly any women outside and those that were, all were wearing a ghoonghat so low that I could not even see their face. All the men were staring at me. It was very scary. I thought I was doing something wrong by just walking in the village.

All the men seemed very backward as they were sitting on a "charpai". They did not even have any chairs to sit down. Strange. I went to a store to buy Pepsi and they never heard of it. The water they sold wasn't even cold. Very strange people.

 

[Soumitra]

I think it is safe to say that Sanghis understanding of Islam and its provisions are vastly different than what common Muslims understand and follow.

Much of your knowledge of Islam and Muslim is formed by WhatsApp forwards and online rags like PoopIndia and Swinerajya.

Besides, Sanghis *always* lie, no exceptions on this at all.

Don't beat about the bush

1 tell me which Indian laws made the things I listed illegal?

2 if my understanding is false and common Indian Muslims are different from what I believe then why oppose UCC and population control bill

 

[xeuss]

Don't beat about the bush

1 tell me which Indian laws made the things I listed illegal?

2 if my understanding is false and common Indian Muslims are different from what I believe then why oppose UCC and population control bill

It is hard to have a constructive discussion with a Sanghi, because his sole focus is how to cut a "perceived benefit" of Muslims.

So here is what you (and your chaddi buddies) usually try to do:

1. Come up with some aspect of Muslim life.
2. Imagine it is more beneficial for Muslims than Hindus. Fabricate lies if possible.
3. Scream out everywhere they can on how the evil Muslims are doing "________" (insert favored benefit here)
4. Try and cut that benefit.
5. If Muslims object, then scream how evil Muslims are and how they are destroying the "nation"

I am sure there will come a day when you will graduate from the Sanghi School of Hate and Applied Pogroms, we can then have a constructive dialog.

 

[Soumitra]

It is hard to have a constructive discussion with a Sanghi, because his sole focus is how to cut a "perceived benefit" of Muslims.

So here is what you (and your chaddi buddies) usually try to do:

1. Come up with some aspect of Muslim life.
2. Imagine it is more beneficial for Muslims than Hindus. Fabricate lies if possible.
3. Scream out everywhere they can on how the evil Muslims are doing "________" (insert favored benefit here)
4. Try and cut that benefit.
5. If Muslims object, then scream how evil Muslims are and how they are destroying the "nation"

I am sure there will come a day when you will graduate from the Sanghi School of Hate and Applied Pogroms, we can then have a constructive dialog.

Again beating about the bush

1 Which laws made the things I listed illegal?

2 If M's are progressive and not the demons that I supposedly learnt in Sanghi School of Hatred why oppose UCC and Population control bill

Your intitial assertion was

That only exists in WhatsApp world of Sanghis. Try coming up with something else.

I am simply asking you to disprove "WhatsApp University" with actual facts based on Indian Laws.

The fact of the matter is that you can't do that so you are beating about the bush

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

People in Western countries don't have as much problem with Hindu migrants as they have with Muslims.

@xeuss
Westerners don't have problems with Hindus, eh? Just you wait. Wherever there are three communities of whites, blacks and browns, it's only a matter of time before whites incite blacks to riot against browns. Google Durban riots.

- PRTP GWD

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Because Islam is the only power than upsets the status quo everywhere in the world.

Hence, the opposition. And hate.

Lies. Muslims are very less influential in Buddhist countries like Sri Lanka and Myanmar.

Anti muslim hate started in Sri Lanka after last year's attack on churches, in Myanmar anti muslim hate were due to riots and muslim insurgency

 

[Sharma Ji]

I once had gone to a Hindu village outside of Jaisalmer. It seemed so odd and alien to me. There were hardly any women outside and those that were, all were wearing a ghoonghat so low that I could not even see their face. All the men were staring at me. It was very scary. I thought I was doing something wrong by just walking in the village.

All the men seemed very backward as they were sitting on a "charpai". They did not even have any chairs to sit down. Strange. I went to a store to buy Pepsi and they never heard of it. The water they sold wasn't even cold. Very strange people.

The muslim majority areas in India, those that I've seen, really feel like alien compared to the rest of the country. Been to the North east too, different looking people, food, architecture, culture etc.. even down south is very different from North India. In a xtian majority area atm and feel and felt very much at home, don't get an alien vibe anywhere.. mulla areas are very different from the rest of the country, somehow.

 

[GumNaam]

Bad times to be a sanghi these days...most sanghis would lie & put up a secular front to hide their humiliation. but the dark sewage flows inside their black hearts!

 

[Naofumi]

What @dharmi wrote a few posts ago is true actually. It's almost like Muslims live in a different world of their own. I had once gone through a Muslim majority area and it just seemed so odd and alien to me. People too were literally staring at me, although women were few, majority of them were in burkhas. And yes, majority Muslims in India certainly seem to be backward. Now you'll say what about Hindus? Yes, Hindus too are backward and Hindus tend to be more casteist but Hindus also tend to be more progressive percentage wise. For example, you can simply take the example of migrants. People in Western countries don't have as much problem with Hindu migrants as they have with Muslims. That's a big indication of how the educated people in those communities fare.

For all their hate of Brahmins, Muslims literally act like Brahmins in the sense that they consider themselves superior to 'kaffirs' since they consider their religion as superior. Another reason why they don't assimilate as much with others as they think that they might be exposed 'Un-Islamic' thinking or 'Un-Islamic' ideas or 'Un-Islamic' culture. Also, Muslims themselves are confused about what is Islamic and what is Un-Islamic. This results in forming groups of Muslims who hate other groups of Muslims which doesn't subscribe to their line of thinking. Middle East is a big example of that.

Look, I want to focus on India, each country has its own problems, sociology, economical structures etc - what can be said of Turkey can't be said of Maldives or what can be said of Bangladesh can't be said of Kazakhstan. Moreover, I care about India's Muslims, so yeah others are as irrelevant as if they don't exists. Also, if you're comparing migrants (and NOT refugees) then I beg to differ as at least you should differentiate nationalities too - you can't club Black Muslims, Albanian Muslims, Indian Muslims, Bengali Muslims etc as one.

For your brainwashed brain, I want to tell you 93% Indian Muslims view Hindus favorably while only 65% percent of Hindus reciprocate. So, who hates who? If Indian Muslims hates Kaffirs so much, why 93% view Hindus favourably? Have you ever thought that ghettoization is directly correlated to riots?

And yeah your "liberal" RSS goons are involved in literally every riot, and that's not the end of it, see the Modi's reaction to Sachar committee.
Gujarat to Supreme Court: Sachar panel illegal, only to help Muslims
Narendra Modi’s Shame: Muslim Survivors of the Gujarat Riots Are Still Suffering
The myth of appeasement
Also read how alleviation plans are often uncompleted due to lack of will and budget.
'Muslims have lowest literacy rate'
Now, if you have brains outside your bigoted world then you may realise that this is called systemised discrimination. I not absolving Muslims of any wrongs (which like for every other community exists too) but your demonization of Indian Muslims is baseless.

Anti muslim hate started in Sri Lanka after last year's attack on churches

Both these events happened before that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Muslims_from_the_Northern_province_by_LTTE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_anti-Muslim_riots_in_Sri_Lanka

Myanmar anti muslim hate were due to riots and muslim insurgency

The persecution of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar dates back to the 1970s.[59] Since then, the Rohingya people have been persecuted on a regular basis by the government and nationalist Buddhists.[54] The tensions between the various religious groups in the country were often exploited by past military rulers of Myanmar.[55] Amnesty International notes that the Rohingya suffered human rights violations under past military dictatorships since 1978, and many of them have fled to neighboring Bangladesh as a result.[60] In 2005, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees assisted with the repatriation of Rohingyas from Bangladesh, but allegations of human rights abuses in the refugee camps threatened this effort.[61] In 2015, 140,000 Rohingyas remained in IDP (Internally Displaced Persons) camps after communal riots in 2012.[62]

In 2015, the Allard K. Lowenstein International Human Rights Clinic at Yale Law School found "strong evidence that genocide is being committed against Rohingya."[63][64] After eight months of analyzing whether the persecution of the Rohingya in Rakhine State satisfied the criteria for genocide, the study found that the Burmese government, with the help of extremist Buddhist monks, was responsible for ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Rohingya.

Before the most recent violence, in its 17 March 2016 Atrocities Prevention Report,[65] the U.S. Department of State summarized:

The situation in Rakhine State is grim, in part due to a mix of long-term historical tensions between the Rakhine and Rohingya communities, socio-political conflict, socio-economic underdevelopment, and a long-standing marginalization of both Rakhine and Rohingya by the Government of Burma. The World Bank estimates Rakhine State has the highest poverty rate in Burma (78 percent) and is the poorest state in the country. The lack of investment by the central government has resulted in poor infrastructure and inferior social services, while lack of rule of law has led to inadequate security conditions.[65] Members of the Rohingya community in particular reportedly face abuses by the Government of Burma, including those involving torture, unlawful arrest and detention, restricted movement, restrictions on religious practice, and discrimination in employment and access to social services. In 2012, the intercommunal conflict led to the death of nearly 200 Rohingya and the displacement of 140,000 people. Throughout 2013–2015 isolated incidents of violence against Rohingya individuals continued to take place.[65]

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

did a durga vahini ever go around chopping peoples' heads off ?

 

[jamahir]

As long as it takes for them to stop eyeing Kashmir and trying to interfere in our internal affairs. Even if that takes 1000 years I am OK with that.

So talk peace with Pakistan and end the Kashmir dispute once and for all. What do you plan to do otherwise for 1000 years later ? Will you live that long ?

Tell me a top economy communist country in 2020.

India is a "top economy country" yet there are people dying of hunger and suicide because of tragically silly socio-economic reasons.

Dont give stupid excuses that Nato invaded a country so it collapsed.

How is it stupid ? Wasn't Libya invaded ? Isn't Syria still standing after nine years of war ?

The Romeo Squad of Yogi Adityanath works on that. We need such squads everywhere.

This Romeo Squad is a rehash of the notorious Operation Majnu of the Lucknow Police that was intended only to harass love couples in parks, cinema houses and eateries.

The Bajarang Dal also has people looking at court notices for court marriage. If they find anything suspicious they go and set things right.

1. What do you mean by suspicious ?

2. Do you not want inter-religious marriages because they are actually needed for national integration ?

Oh she just has to worry about Talaq, Talaq, Talaq (3months now instead of 3 seconds thanks to Modi government)

The original Islamic marriage law for divorce is for the talaq pronouncements to be done over three months. Within that period the husband and wife are expected to visit the qazi ( the local judge ) and seek guidance. This is similar to modern troubled couples visiting marriage counselors. By the way, the wife can also initiate a divorce in Islamic marriage law.

Read this thread of mine from 2015. It is about an article written by a Indian Christian woman who married a Muslim under Islamic law because that afforded her better economic protection in case of divorce. She begins the article with reference to a call made by Maneka Gandhi who called for prenuptial agreements for the women in non-Muslim marriages. The writer says that prenups were originally an Islamic thing but not acknowledged by Maneka Gandhi in her call.

although women were few, majority of them were in burkhas.

I haven't been inside a Muslim ghetto in ten or so years but outside of them the burqa thing in India is recent - the last 15 years.

How nice of her !

@dharmi

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Look, I want to focus on India, each country has its own problems, sociology, economical structures etc - what can be said of Turkey can't be said of Maldives or what can be said of Bangladesh can't be said of Kazakhstan.

Also, if you're comparing migrants (and NOT refugees) then I beg to differ as at least you should differentiate nationalities too - you can't club Black Muslims, Albanian Muslims, Indian Muslims, Bengali Muslims etc as one.

Agreed.

For your brainwashed brain, I want to tell you 93% Indian Muslims view Hindus favorably while only 65% percent of Hindus reciprocate.

Are you using this survey that has a n-size of 3505 people with zero context of class, gender, locality, linguistic distribution of the people who took the survey? If I had the data, I would've further segmented it based on region, gender, class, etc to be more conclusive. Ok then look at this one.
Interesting to see that a major proportion of them consider converting other as a religious duty. Wish they had included India in the survey.
https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30...ligion-politics-society-interfaith-relations/

And yeah your "liberal" RSS goons are involved in literally every riot, and that's not the end of it, see the Modi's reaction to Sachar committee.
Gujarat to Supreme Court: Sachar panel illegal, only to help Muslims
Narendra Modi’s Shame: Muslim Survivors of the Gujarat Riots Are Still Suffering
The myth of appeasement
Also read how alleviation plans are often uncompleted due to lack of will and budget.
'Muslims have lowest literacy rate'
Now, if you have brains outside your bigoted world then you may realise that this is called systemised discrimination. I not absolving Muslims of any wrongs (which like for every other community exists too) but your demonization of Indian Muslims is baseless.

I'm not demonizing Muslims, I'm just stating facts. If facts hurt you, I can't do anything about it. Mistakes are done by both sides but it doesn't help if Muslims keep blaming the majority instead of progressing themselves.

 

[Naofumi]

Are you using this survey that has a n-size of 3505 people with zero context of class, gender, locality, linguistic distribution of the people who took the survey? If I had the data, I would've further segmented it based on region, gender, class, etc to be more conclusive. Ok then look at this one.
Interesting to see that a major proportion of them consider converting other as a religious duty. Wish they had included India in the survey.
https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30...ligion-politics-society-interfaith-relations/

Yeah, I am using this survey because no other India specific one is there.

I'm not demonizing Muslims, I'm just stating facts. If facts hurt you, I can't do anything about it. Mistakes are done by both sides but it doesn't help if Muslims keep blaming the majority instead of progressing themselves.

You cited 0 facts as matter of fact itself and I cited around 5-6 ones. Also, progressing requires money-investments, targeted alleviations, it's speaks volumes that you are conveniently ignoring that.

 

[Sharma Ji]

@dharmi

So posting a hateful rant online is the same as violence ?

Did she actually go ahead and do it ?

 

[jamahir]

So posting a hateful rant online is the same as violence ?

I am sure there are dozens of times when the central government got people arrested because they posted something online. Why was she not arrested ?

Did she actually go ahead and do it ?

As I asked you originally, why did she and her colleagues get trained in sword fight ( actually cutting ) ? You too know this is not for self-defense. This is the same as RSS teaching stick fight and how to fire guns. What big event do these people expect where they will use their training ?