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Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet (S) said, "Every day, Gog and Magog are trying to dig a way out through the barrier. When they begin to see sunlight through it, the one who is in charge of them says, 'Go back; you can carry on digging tomorrow,' and when they come back, the barrier is stronger than it was before. This will continue until their time comes and Allah wishes to send them forth. They will dig until they begin to see sunlight, then the one who is in charge of them will say, 'Go back; you can carry on digging tomorrow, in shaa'Allah.' In this case he will make an exception by saying inshaa'Allah, thus relating the matter to the Will of Allah. They will return on the following day, and find the hole as they left it. They will carry on digging and come out against the people. They will drink all the water, and find the hole as they left it, and the people will entrench themselves in their fortresses. Gog and Magog will fire their arrows into the sky, and they will fall back to earth with something like blood on them. Gog and Magog will say, 'We have defeated the people of earth, and overcome the people of heaven.' Then Allah will send a kind of worm in the napes of their nacks, and they will be killed by it...'By Him a in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, the beasts of the earth will become fat.'" [Tirmidhee, Abwaab al-Tafseer: Surat al-Kahf (Hadith 5160), 8/597-99; Ibn Maajah, Kitaab al-Fitan, (Hadith 4080), 2/1364. Ahmad, Musnad, 2/510, 511.]
 
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Indeed,

Why can’t we see Allah or the Angels or the Crossings from on sky to another ?

Sight barriers.

That is definitely what that ayah refers to from Surah Ambiya

Well we can't see Allah because its a reward that he kept for us in Paradise , we can't see Djinn because he wanted to Protect us from going insane , and we can't see Angels because once again even though they are beautiful their physical appearance defies the Laws of nature, Laws of Physics and every other law .. but he surely places a barrier in our eyes and hearts, which he mentions in Quran .

Now what that guy i was responding didn't understand, that I am not denying that there was a physical barrier build by Zul Qarnin , but that barrier was no normal one, because I remember a Hadith where Prophet said, that they ( Gog and magog ) try to break that barrier every day, and by the end of day they manage to crack a hole, so they get tired and say we will come tomorrow and finish the job, but next day they arrive the hole is repaired and cracks are fixed by Allah, it keeps happening until the day when One of them will say, before they take off for the day .. We will come tomorrow and break through Inshallah ( God Willing ) the moment they utter these words, they will make break through and all hell will break lose on earth, and that will be the time when Allah allows them to break that barrier , so it can be a Physical barrier but a kind of barrier which we are bared to see or observe .
 
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21:95 refers to cities and nations destroyed, never to return. 21:94 and 21:95 read together.

21:96 and 21:97 read together.

Reading 21:95 and 21:96 together as you have could give the meaning that destroyed nations will return when Gog and Magog descend.

Jerusalem has never been wiped out completely like other cities mentioned in Quran. Bani Israel as a nation have never been completely wiped out either.

Linking this to Jerusalem is not right, in my opinion. I also don't think Gog and Magog are some lost Jewish tribe as the dam was built long before Musa AS.

The whole Surah Al Anbiya refers to prophets of Bani Israil. The central theme of this Surah is the betrayal of Allah swt and His covenant by them. How come at the end of this Surah, all of a sudden a destroyed city is mentioned immediately following with حتی which joins both ayat, then the prophesied return of Yajuj Majuj.

If you read the tafsir of Abdullah Yusuf Ali, prominient translator and mufassir of Quran, he makes the same conclusion. Even Allama Iqbal does.
 
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Kindly read those ayahs again , There is no metaphor used 18:96 "Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain sides, he said, "Blow (with your bellows)" then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead."

There is no question regarding state of wall or how it was built , the questions and metaphors are there because Nobody has identified the wall yet. And Allah knows it better!

Because the wall has been collapse and that Yajuj and Majud is Mongol that has already attack Middle East with horror. That is my explanation. It is the only reasonable explanation of why that physical wall between mountain cannot be seen anymore. Another possibility is Germanic tribe and Chinese/Mongol tribe that in the past have conqured many nations and now have spread to many part of the world.
 
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21:95 refers to cities and nations destroyed, never to return. 21:94 and 21:95 read together.

21:96 and 21:97 read together.

Reading 21:95 and 21:96 together as you have could give the meaning that destroyed nations will return when Gog and Magog descend.

Jerusalem has never been wiped out completely like other cities mentioned in Quran. Bani Israel as a nation have never been completely wiped out either.

Linking this to Jerusalem is not right, in my opinion. I also don't think Gog and Magog are some lost Jewish tribe as the dam was built long before Musa AS.
Agree with you. Gog and magog are the descendants of yapheth son of Noah A.S. However Bani Isreal are the sons of sam. Semitic race.
 
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Jerusalem has never been wiped out completely like other cities mentioned in Quran. Bani Israel as a nation have never been completely wiped out either.

Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, and Crusaders have all taken turns wiping out Jerusalem and scattering its population.

The Roman one especially was the final punishment on Bani Israil for rejecting Hazrat Isa AS, the Jews were prohibited by their Rabbis of coming back to the Holy Land until the return of the Messiah (who they rejected.) Ask Orthodox Jews, they will tell you.

21:94 and 21:95 read together.

"So whoever does righteous deeds while he is a believer - no denial will there be for his effort, and indeed We, of it, are recorders."

It does not change anything.

If you read about byzantine empire who was the original Roman empire then you will find out that the roman empire was actually following eastern orthodox religion and church and currently Moscow is the headquarter of it.

The people whom the Arabs identified as Al Asfoor (literally Yellow, i.e. White) were continental Europeans, specifically the Romans. The Byzantines themselves were Roman, not Greek, Armenian, or Slavic.

This reading makes no sense because Christianity is still alive in Europe, although the population is mostly irreligious. The Russian form of Christianity is unique, and Russians made themselves the head of Orthodox Christianity to conquer Turkish lands as a PR move. This is disputed however.

We Muslims should stay out of internal disputes among Christians of Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox sects. It is none of our concern.

Russia and turkey will make an alliance against Europe which will be the whole Europe except Britain which is not the part of the Europe now thanks to Trump America and illuminatis. And Russo/turk alliance will won and then Russia will decide to take over their old headquarter Constantinople which is now called Istanbul previously islambol.

Russia and Turkey are historical foes. You have no idea how many Muslim Circassians and Balkan Muslims that Russians killed directly and in what brutal fashioned they did so. Islam was literally wiped out of these areas. Communists like Stalin then killed most of the Muslims left by forced exile into frigid climates.

However Greeks, Serbs, and Russians do have an eye on Istanbul. They want to recover the sear of Byzantium. There is also ahadith about the reconquest of Constantiniyya, but it is another topic.

Because the wall has been collapse and that Yajuj and Majud is Mongol that has already attack Middle East with horror. That is my explanation. It is the only reasonable explanation of why that physical wall between mountain cannot be seen anymore.

Scholars refute this due to two facts, Mongols became Muslims and they were defeated in war and collapsed. Yajuj Majuj are unbeatable. We are still waiting for the final war, but it is apparent the world has changed alot. They have not come openly yet and are still hidden.

Agree with you. Gog and magog are the descendants of yapheth son of Noah A.S. However Bani Isreal are the sons of sam. Semitic race.

I feel like I keep repeating this simple point. Ashkenazi/Khazar Jews are not ethnic Jews, but a Turkic/Mongol race. They make up the bulk of Israelis.

Search the empire of Khazaria and the Khazar Khaganate. For reading, check out the 13th tribe by Arthur Koestler.
 
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The whole Surah Al Anbiya refers to prophets of Bani Israil. The central theme of this Surah is the betrayal of Allah swt and His covenant by them. How come at the end of this Surah, all of a sudden a destroyed city is mentioned immediately following with حتی which joins both ayat, then the prophesied return of Yajuj Majuj.

If you read the tafsir of Abdullah Yusuf Ali, prominient translator and mufassir of Quran, he makes the same conclusion. Even Allama Iqbal does.

Destroyed populations is mentioned beginning of Surah.

20:11 to 20:15 - when did any of such azaab fell upon Bani Israel?

20:11 How many were the populations We utterly destroyed because of their iniquities, setting up in their places other peoples?
 
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Destroyed populations is mentioned beginning of Surah.

20:11 to 20:15 - when did any of such azaab fell upon Bani Israel?

20:11 How many were the populations We utterly destroyed because of their iniquities, setting up in their places other peoples?

We are just arguing the same points now. The Bani Israil were destroyed many times, exiled, enslaved, and scattered around the world.

The prohibition was only on one area (Holy Land) and on one people (Bani Israil.) It is a part of the Jewish faith even today.

Now I don't want to keep debating the same point again and again. I shared what I believe to be factual.

In the end, the truth is with Allah swt alone.
 
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We are just arguing the same points now. The Bani Israil were destroyed many times, exiled, enslaved, and scattered around the world.

The prohibition was only on one area (Holy Land) and on one people (Bani Israil.) It is a part of the Jewish faith even today.

Now I don't want to keep debating the same point again and again. I shared what I believe to be factual.

In the end, the truth is with Allah swt alone.

Yes let's move on.

Allahu Alim.

Have you read Naimatullah Shah Wali?
 
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Scholars refute this due to two facts, Mongols became Muslims and they were defeated in war and collapsed. Yajuj Majuj are unbeatable. We are still waiting for the final war, but it is apparent the world has changed alot. They have not come openly yet and are still hidden.

Where is in Quran and Hadith saying Yajud and Majuj is undefeated ? It just said their arrival will bring horror and it was true when they attack Middle East

Quran doesnt said that Yajuj and Majud will appear in the final war. The final war according to Hadith will be Mahdi with his army against nations that will protect Jews from Muslim invasion into Jerusalem.

There is hadith saying the description like Mongol. It is in Arabic and Indonesian. I use Google translate to make it into English

إِنَّكُمْ تَقُوْلُوْنَ لاَ عَدُوَّ، وَإِنَّكُمْ لاَ تَزَالُوْنَ تُقَاتِلُوْنَ عَدُوًّا حَتَّـى يَأْتِيْ يَأْجُوْجَ وَمَأْجُوْجَ، عِرَاضُ الْوُجُوْهِ، صِغَارُ الْعُيُوْنِ، شُهْبُ الشَّعَافِ،
مِنْ كُلِّ حَدَبٍ يَنْسِلُوْنَ، كَأَنَّ وُجُوْهَهُمُ الْمَجَانُّ الْمُطْرَقَةُ

‘Verily, you say there are no enemies while you are always fighting the enemy until come-Yajuj and Ma-juj; wide-faced, narrow-eyed, blond-haired, they come from every direction, their faces are like shields covered with skin. ’” [9]

[9]. Musnad Imam Ahmad (V / 271, with marginal notes of the book Muntakhah al-Kanz).
Al-Haitsami said, "Narrated by Ahmad, and ath-Thabrani, both narrators are narrators ash-Shahiih." Majma'uz Zawaa-id (VIII / 6).
 
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Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, and Crusaders have all taken turns wiping out Jerusalem and scattering its population.

The Roman one especially was the final punishment on Bani Israil for rejecting Hazrat Isa AS, the Jews were prohibited by their Rabbis of coming back to the Holy Land until the return of the Messiah (who they rejected.) Ask Orthodox Jews, they will tell you.



"So whoever does righteous deeds while he is a believer - no denial will there be for his effort, and indeed We, of it, are recorders."

It does not change anything.



The people whom the Arabs identified as Al Asfoor (literally Yellow, i.e. White) were continental Europeans, specifically the Romans. The Byzantines themselves were Roman, not Greek, Armenian, or Slavic.

This reading makes no sense because Christianity is still alive in Europe, although the population is mostly irreligious. The Russian form of Christianity is unique, and Russians made themselves the head of Orthodox Christianity to conquer Turkish lands as a PR move. This is disputed however.

We Muslims should stay out of internal disputes among Christians of Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox sects. It is none of our concern.



Russia and Turkey are historical foes. You have no idea how many Muslim Circassians and Balkan Muslims that Russians killed directly and in what brutal fashioned they did so. Islam was literally wiped out of these areas. Communists like Stalin then killed most of the Muslims left by forced exile into frigid climates.

However Greeks, Serbs, and Russians do have an eye on Istanbul. They want to recover the sear of Byzantium. There is also ahadith about the reconquest of Constantiniyya, but it is another topic.



Scholars refute this due to two facts, Mongols became Muslims and they were defeated in war and collapsed. Yajuj Majuj are unbeatable. We are still waiting for the final war, but it is apparent the world has changed alot. They have not come openly yet and are still hidden.



I feel like I keep repeating this simple point. Ashkenazi/Khazar Jews are not ethnic Jews, but a Turkic/Mongol race. They make up the bulk of Israelis.

Search the empire of Khazaria and the Khazar Khaganate. For reading, check out the 13th tribe by Arthur Koestler.
Well it's debatable to attach byzantine empire with européens or with Russians. I do know about the history between the turks and Russians and i agree with you regarding their animosity to each other. Anyway either turkey will align with Europe or with Russia, ultimately it will suffer in the second battle and will lost Constantinople. I have same views regarding khazar and Ashkenazi jews and i said Bani Israel not the current state of Israel. Because when quran says Bani Israel it is referring Semitic people or race not the Jewish religion
 
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Where is in Quran and Hadith saying Yajud and Majuj is undefeated ? It just said their arrival will bring horror and it was true when they attack Middle East

Quran doesnt said that Yajuj and Majud will appear in the final war. The final war will be Mahdi with his army against nations that will protect Jews from Muslim invasion into Jerusalem.

There is hadith saying the description like Mongol. It is in Arabic and Indonesian. I use Google translate to make it into English

إِنَّكُمْ تَقُوْلُوْنَ لاَ عَدُوَّ، وَإِنَّكُمْ لاَ تَزَالُوْنَ تُقَاتِلُوْنَ عَدُوًّا حَتَّـى يَأْتِيْ يَأْجُوْجَ وَمَأْجُوْجَ، عِرَاضُ الْوُجُوْهِ، صِغَارُ الْعُيُوْنِ، شُهْبُ الشَّعَافِ،
مِنْ كُلِّ حَدَبٍ يَنْسِلُوْنَ، كَأَنَّ وُجُوْهَهُمُ الْمَجَانُّ الْمُطْرَقَةُ

‘Verily, you say there are no enemies while you are always fighting the enemy until come-Yajuj and Ma-juj; wide-faced, narrow-eyed, blond-haired, they come from every direction, their faces are like shields covered with skin. ’” [9]

[9]. Musnad Imam Ahmad (V / 271, with marginal notes of the book Muntakhah al-Kanz).
Al-Haitsami said, "Narrated by Ahmad, and ath-Thabrani, both narrators are narrators ash-Shahiih." Majma'uz Zawaa-id (VIII / 6).

My friend, there is hadith about Hazrat Isa AS (after defeat of Al Masih ad Dajjal) making dua and Allah swt wiping out Yajuj Majuj through a parasite. It was shared above.
 
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Well it's debatable to attach byzantine empire with européens or with Russians. I do know about the history between the turks and Russians and i agree with you regarding their animosity to each other. Anyway either turkey will align with Europe or with Russia, ultimately it will suffer in the second battle and will lost Constantinople. I have same views regarding khazar and Ashkenazi jews and i said Bani Israel not the current state of Israel. Because when quran says Bani Israel it is referring Semitic people or race not the Jewish religion

Byzantines were never identified with Slavs (like Russians,) they were Romans in every sense of the word. Russia at that time were just tiny settlements in the wilderness. Imran Hosein concocted this view, there is no proof for in any ahadith or ayat.

When the Byzantines were conquered by Turks, converted to Islam, and intermarried with them, they vanished. The Greeks, Armenians, and Bulgarians (Turks also) were the other Christian groups living under Turks in the former Byzantium lands.

For thousand + years, Muslims have understood Al Asfoor (Yellow, i.e. Whites) to be referring to continental Europeans, not Caucasus origin people or Slavs.

Yes let's move on.

Allahu Alim.

Have you read Naimatullah Shah Wali?

Yes brother. I have read some of his prophecies and they make sense and are logical.

If you have more information, please feel free to share.
 
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Byzantines were never identified with Slavs (like Russians,) they were Romans in every sense of the word. Russia at that time were just tiny settlements in the wilderness. Imran Hosein concocted this view, there is no proof for in any ahadith or ayat.

When the Byzantines were conquered by Turks, converted to Islam, and intermarried with them, they vanished. The Greeks, Armenians, and Bulgarians (Turks also) were the other Christian groups living under Turks in the former Byzantium lands.

For thousand + years, Muslims have understood Al Asfoor (Yellow, i.e. Whites) to be referring to continental Europeans, not Caucasus origin people or Slavs.



Yes brother. I have read some of his prophecies and they make sense and are logical.

If you have more information, please feel free to share.
As i told you it's debatable. Roman empire was divided into parts. Western part headquartered in Rome are mostly Europeans yellow race while eastern region headquartered in Constantinople are mostly greek and Slavic people. First it was called Roman empire but when western regions fall the Eastern part declared themselves as byzantine empire under Slavic and greek people.
The Byzantine Empire, also referred to as the Eastern Roman Empire, or Byzantium, was the continuation of the Roman Empire in its eastern provinces during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages, when its capital city was Constantinople (modern Istanbul, formerly Byzantium). It survived the fragmentation and fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century AD and continued to exist for an additional thousand years until it fell to the Ottoman Empire in 1453. During most of its existence, the empire was the most powerful economic, cultural, and military force in Europe. "Byzantine Empire" is a term created after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire simply as the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileia Rhōmaiōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum), or Romania (Greek: Ῥωμανία, tr. Rhōmania), and to themselves as Romans.
Several signal events from the 4th to 6th centuries mark the period of transition during which the Roman Empire's Greek East and Latinx, West diverged. Constantine I (r. 324–337) reorganised the empire, made Constantinople the new capital and legalised Christianity. Under Theodosius I (r. 379–395), Christianity became the state religion and other religious practices were proscribed. In the reign of Heraclius (r. 610–641), the Empire's military and administration were restructured and adopted Greek for official use in place of Latin.[3]

Although the Roman state continued and its traditions were maintained, modern historians distinguish Byzantium from ancient Rome insofar as it was centred on Constantinople, oriented towards Greek rather than Latin culture and characterised by Eastern Orthodox Christianity.[4]

The borders of the empire fluctuated through cycles of decline and recovery. During the reign of Justinian I (r. 527–565), the empire reached its greatest extent, after reconquering much of the historically Roman western Mediterranean coast, including North Africa, Italy and Rome, which it held for two more centuries. The Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 exhausted the empire's resources and during the Early Muslim conquests of the 7th century, lost its richest provinces, Egypt and Syria, to the Arab caliphate.[5] During the Macedonian dynasty (10th–11th centuries), the empire expanded again and experienced the two-century long Macedonian Renaissance, which came to an end with the loss of much of Asia Minor to the Seljuk Turks after the Battle of Manzikert in 1071. This battle opened the way for the Turks to settle in Anatolia.

The empire recovered during the Komnenian restoration and by the 12th century Constantinople was the largest and wealthiest European city.[6] The Byzantine Empire was delivered a mortal blow during the Fourth Crusade, when Constantinople was sacked in 1204 and the territories that the empire formerly governed were divided into competing Byzantine Greek and Latin realms. Despite the eventual recovery of Constantinople in 1261, the Byzantine Empire remained only one of several small rival states in the area for the final two centuries of its existence. Its remaining territories were progressively annexed by the Ottomans in the Byzantine–Ottoman wars over the 14th and 15th centuries. The Fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Empire in 1453 ended the Byzantine Empire.[7] The last of the imperial Byzantine successor states, the Empire of Trebizond, would be conquered by the Ottomans eight years later in the 1461 Siege of Trebizond.[8]
 
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My friend, there is hadith about Hazrat Isa AS (after defeat of Al Masih ad Dajjal) making dua and Allah swt wiping out Yajuj Majuj through a parasite. It was shared above.

Bro, I just read @Verve statement saying that as hadith, but until now I dont see the hadith yet and we dont know whether it is a shahih hadith or not. If it is not a shahih hadith so I dont think we should believe it 100 % as we know some Hadith are fabricated one.

Any way according to Verve statement, after the final war prophet Isa will pray and ask God to eliminate Yajuj and Majuj and they are then destroyed by insect. Even though it is true, it doesnt said the final war is won by Yajud and Majud that make prophet Isa pray to the God asking their destruction. Any way the final war will be won by Muslim as many hadith already tell that. It is the belief which is believed by majority of Muslim.

Many hadith talking about Mahdi doesnt talk about Yajud and Majud though.
 
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