How KMT and CPC fought towards the end of the WWII?

[DoubanJam.Yee]

what a long comment!

my point of view:
CCP and Imperialist Jap had committed flagrant crimes to Chinese people.
just like CCP's obscurantist policy and Japan’s views of history are hurting the Chinese people.
and KMT did sucks in WW2, but KMT did perform its duty to protect the country as main force.

KMT/CCP members defend for their party.
Jap defend for their country.
well, they're jackals of the same lair. to make use of the victims to run foul of each other.

Unlike in Japan, where history is distorted by hardline leaders.--- but accepted by most common Japanese people.
including the so call 'NanKing event'. there were murderous competitions there. I'm also doubtful to the Number.
but please don't avoid the important and dwell on the trivial. just one example to these kind of thing. if the Govt of Jap is genuine, please go to NanJing and apologize to the Victims rather that going to USA or making shows in Japan.

CCP's faults can never reduce the Imp Jap's sin.

normally I just practice my reading here. first time for the writing. pls ignore it if you don't like it.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

what a long comment!

my point of view:
CCP and Imperialist Jap had committed flagrant crimes to Chinese people.
just like CCP's obscurantist policy and Japan’s views of history are hurting the Chinese people.
and KMT did sucks in WW2, but KMT did perform its duty to protect the country as main force.

KMT/CCP members defend for their party.
Jap defend for their country.
well, they're jackals of the same lair. to make use of the victims to run foul of each other.

Unlike in Japan, where history is distorted by hardline leaders.--- but accepted by most common Japanese people.
including the so call 'NanKing event'. there were murderous competitions there. I'm also doubtful to the Number.
but please don't avoid the important and dwell on the trivial. just one example to these kind of thing. if the Govt of Jap is genuine, please go to NanJing and apologize to the Victims rather that going to USA or making shows in Japan.

CCP's faults can never reduce the Imp Jap's sin.

normally I just practice my reading here. first time for the writing. pls ignore it if you don't like it.

Welcome comrade.

We look forward to more posts from you.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

what a long comment!

my point of view:
CCP and Imperialist Jap had committed flagrant crimes to Chinese people.
just like CCP's obscurantist policy and Japan’s views of history are hurting the Chinese people.
and KMT did sucks in WW2, but KMT did perform its duty to protect the country as main force.

KMT/CCP members defend for their party.
Jap defend for their country.
well, they're jackals of the same lair. to make use of the victims to run foul of each other.

Unlike in Japan, where history is distorted by hardline leaders.--- but accepted by most common Japanese people.
including the so call 'NanKing event'. there were murderous competitions there. I'm also doubtful to the Number.
but please don't avoid the important and dwell on the trivial. just one example to these kind of thing. if the Govt of Jap is genuine, please go to NanJing and apologize to the Victims rather that going to USA or making shows in Japan.

CCP's faults can never reduce the Imp Jap's sin.

normally I just practice my reading here. first time for the writing. pls ignore it if you don't like it.

What is the "CCP's obscurantist policy" you mean. Dont always try to doubt what you cannot understand, it is very insensible.

 

[jkroo]

Come on, buddy. You have no need to post this kind of comparison anymore. KMT lost its root in mainland 60 years ago and even now is struggling in Taiwan. That's the fact. Compare CPC to KMT only lift KMT's level and KMT will eventually damage the expectations. Our people will not change our opinions to KMT even with some fans in mainland. As a mainlander, I treat KMT as a party that never learn anything from their lesson in recent 60 years. Sigh.

To be frank, KMT had lost its pride to be proud Chinese gradually. I personally have no expectation from KMT. To reunify our motherland, we should have our work done and improve our economy and military capability day by day. Then Taiwan will return its historic track that means the negotiation is inevitable and their cards will disappear one by one. This will happen in ten years.

But we should be aware of this phenomenon in mainland. On one hand, it appears with nothing to do with Taiwan and it's an internal problem. On the other hand, the problems occured with the manipulation of propagenda from many sides. So let's stop talking and observe it carefully.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

What is the "CCP's obscurantist policy" you mean. Dont always try to doubt what you cannot understand.

You know what he is referring to.

As of now the party only looks back with hazy recollection. I recently read the book 'The three body problem" by Cixin Liu and although the book is Sci fi, the part with the Character Ye Wenjie and her ordeal in the cultural revolution was quite appalling to say the least.

On the other hand, the communist party has an abundance of good merit points to cancel out the bad. Under the Communist party China is fast catching up with the best in the world, unlike the Manchu Qing, the short lived republican movement, Yuan Shikai, the warlords and KMT.

Mao fcuked up quite a bit but his party eventually brought up the true Chinese iron leader - Deng Xiaoping.

 

[DoubanJam.Yee]

You know what he is referring to.

As of now the party only looks back with hazy recollection. I recently read the book 'The three body problem" by Cixin Liu and although the book is Sci fi, the part with the Character Ye Wenjie and her ordeal in the cultural revolution was quite appalling to say the least.

On the other hand, the communist party has an abundance of good merit points to cancel out the bad. Under the Communist party China is fast catching up with the best in the world, unlike the Manchu Qing, the short lived republican movement, Yuan Shikai, the warlords and KMT.

Mao fcuked up quite a bit but his party eventually brought up the true Chinese iron leader - Deng Xiaoping.

I agree most of your views.
but one thing. I don't think good merit points can cancel out the bad.

Welcome comrade.

We look forward to more posts from you.

thank you.
exactly I should @Nihonjin1051 for my first comment.

 

[greenwood]

Guys, hang on. The detailed secret files will be un-classified in one day.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

I agree most of your views.
but one thing. I don't think good merit points can cancel out the bad.


thank you.
exactly I should @Nihonjin1051 for my first comment.

Your opinion dude.

Might I add that the great leap forward was not a deliberate policy to damage the country but over zealous idealogy gone really really bad.

The cultural revolution was just plain nasty though.

People in their lifetimes make mistakes but also do good things. Nothing is black or white and to look the the CPC with lens grimy with hate is to miss out on their positive contributions.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

You know what he is referring to.

As of now the party only looks back with hazy recollection. I recently read the book 'The three body problem" by Cixin Liu and although the book is Sci fi, the part with the Character Ye Wenjie and her ordeal in the cultural revolution was quite appalling to say the least.

On the other hand, the communist party has an abundance of good merit points to cancel out the bad. Under the Communist party China is fast catching up with the best in the world, unlike the Manchu Qing, the short lived republican movement, Yuan Shikai, the warlords and KMT.

Mao fcuked up quite a bit but his party eventually brought up the true Chinese iron leader - Deng Xiaoping.

Bro, everyone has his limit, Mao said he has 70 per cent achievements and 30 per cent mistakes(功过三七开), in addition Deng said that scoring sixty points is enough for himself, and he can never surpus the half of Mao. Even though the huge mistakes of Mao, he has extend the economic scale of China about 13.5 times as large as economy in 1949, meanwhile our economy increased about 15 times from 1979 to 2009.

 

[DoubanJam.Yee]

Your opinion dude.

Might I add that the great leap forward was not a deliberate policy to damage the country but over zealous idealogy gone really really bad.

The cultural revolution was just plain nasty though.

People in their lifetimes make mistakes but also do good things. Nothing is black or white and to look the the CPC with lens grimy with hate is to miss out on their positive contributions.

of course the mistakes are not deliberate. I mean if we cancel out the bad things, they'll redo it again.
CCP dose own my respect for developing the country.

I likes Han dynasty more. LiuBang known to let his people took a break after long-term war 2000ys ago.
.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

I agree most of your views.
but one thing. I don't think good merit points can cancel out the bad.


thank you.
exactly I should @Nihonjin1051 for my first comment.

Bro, according to the Dialectics, there is nothing that only have advantage without disadvantage. Meanwhile there never is someone who doesnt mistake. Noone is willing to make mistakes. so dont say this metaphysical logic like "merit points can cancel out the bad",

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Bro, everyone has his limit, Mao said he has 70 per cent achievements and 30 per cent mistakes(功过三七开), in addition Deng said that scoring sixty points is enough for himself, and he can never surpus the half of Mao. Even though the huge mistakes of Mao, he has extend the economic scale of China about 13.5 times as large as economy in 1949, meanwhile our economy increased about 15 times from 1979 to 2009.

Mao was a good man but the death of his first wife in the 1930s broke something in him. He was still a good man but harder and colder.

By the 1950s it was just too much. There was no way he could not have seen the peasants starving and when Marshall Peng Dehuai confronted him about it, poor old Peng was purged. In the cultural revolution Peng later died of his wounds from beatings by red guards - the same for Liu Shaoqi. Deng was sent to the countryside and purged as well as Zhu De.

Thats not mentioning the thousands of intelligent people beaten and cultural artifacts destroyed.

Yet despite all this, I still see the communist party as the best Chinese government and the KMT as total fcuk ups.

of course the mistakes are not deliberate. I mean if we cancel out the bad things, they'll redo it again.
CCP dose own my respect for developing the country.

I likes Han dynasty more. LiuBang known to let his people took a break after long-term war 2000ys ago.
.

Every one likes the Han dynasty.

China at its finest.

 

[DoubanJam.Yee]

Bro, everyone has his limit, Mao said he has 70 per cent achievements and 30 per cent mistakes(功过三七开), in addition Deng said that scoring sixty points is enough for himself, and he can never surpus the half of Mao. Even though the huge mistakes of Mao, he has extend the economic scale of China about 13.5 times as large as economy in 1949, meanwhile our economy increased about 15 times from 1979 to 2009.

I can understand. I just don't like the myth of Mao.
China about 13.5 times as large as economy in 1949, meanwhile our economy increased about 15 times from 1979 to 2009. ------- it's different. after long-term war, the economy recovered always much faster than peacetime.

Mao was a good man but the death of his first wife in the 1930s broke something in him. He was still a good man but harder and colder.

By the 1950s it was just too much. There was no way he could not have seen the peasants starving and when Marshall Peng Dehuai confronted him about it, poor old Peng was purged. In the cultural revolution Peng later died of his wounds from beatings by red guards - the same for Liu Shaoqi. Deng was sent to the countryside and purged as well as Zhu De.

Thats not mentioning the thousands of intelligent people beaten and cultural artifacts destroyed.

Yet despite all this, I still see the communist party as the best Chinese government and the KMT as total fcuk ups.



Every one likes the Han dynasty.

China at its finest.

yes,you're right. that's why Han Dynasty risen in 6oys with fewer failed policies.
and we're still at the beginning after 60ys. =.=

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

of course the mistakes are not deliberate. I mean if we cancel out the bad things, they'll redo it again.
CCP dose own my respect for developing the country.

I likes Han dynasty more. LiuBang known to let his people took a break after long-term war 2000ys ago.
.

You can never distiguish many things as bad things ,before the bad results of it emerge, even though everyone wants to only do right things. Mostly if you were making mistakes, you would seldom realize it. The so-called mistakes yesterday or today, after years, might be good things tomorrow.
"塞文失马，焉知非福。"

I can understand. I just don't like the myth of Mao.
China about 13.5 times as large as economy in 1949, meanwhile our economy increased about 15 times from 1979 to 2009. ------- it's different. after long-term war, the economy recovered always much faster than peacetime.

Mao was a good man but the death of his first wife in the 1930s broke something in him. He was still a good man but harder and colder.

By the 1950s it was just too much. There was no way he could not have seen the peasants starving and when Marshall Peng Dehuai confronted him about it, poor old Peng was purged. In the cultural revolution Peng later died of his wounds from beatings by red guards - the same for Liu Shaoqi. Deng was sent to the countryside and purged as well as Zhu De.

Thats not mentioning the thousands of intelligent people beaten and cultural artifacts destroyed.

Yet despite all this, I still see the communist party as the best Chinese government and the KMT as total fcuk ups.

China at its finest.

But in 1949 our country had no any industrial bases, I think the fomer 13.5 times is never easier than the latter 15 times, the second 30 years' economy achievement was absolutely built on the base of the first 30 years, the former's achievement was built on zero. If we had the petroleum chemical industry bases and water conservancy facilities like 1979（铁人王进喜事迹）in 1959, we would have enough water and chemical fertilizer to increase grain output in 1959-1961, so that there could have been so many people's starving(similarly if there is the Three Gorges Dam like 2009 in 1998, there would never be the big flood in Yangzi River in 1998). And in 1959, we had a population of 0.64 billion, by comparison we had a population of 1 billion in 1979. If we had not built more irrigation projects and industrial facilities from 1959 to 1979, we would have never fed the population of 0.36 billion added from 1959 to 1979. So never try to split the first 30 years and the second 30 years of the development of our country, they must be closely tied.
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By the 1950s it was just too much. There was no way he could not have seen the peasants starving and when Marshall Peng Dehuai confronted him about it, poor old Peng was purged. In the cultural revolution Peng later died of his wounds from beatings by red guards - the same for Liu Shaoqi. Deng was sent to the countryside and purged as well as Zhu De.

The relations between people is very sophisticated, the relations between politicans is more. Just like we can hardly handle well the relations with others, so can the politcans. For them of course the results, is more complex and serious, if it is bad.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

You can never distiguish many things as bad things ,before the bad results of it emerge.



But in 1949 our country had no any industrial bases, I think the fomer 13.5 times is never easier than the latter 15 times, the second 30 years' economy achievement was absolutely built on the base of the first 30 years, the former's achievement was built on zero. If we had the petroleum chemical industry bases and water conservancy facilities like 1979（铁人王进喜事迹） in 1959, we would have enough water and chemical fertilizer in 1959-1961, so that there could have been so many people's starving. So never try to split the first 30 years and the second 30 years of the development of our country.

People were starving because of the 'free rider' effect of communal farming. Add to that the problem of counties making ridiculous pledges of grain to the state that they could not fulfil so the peasants had to give everything they had. The grain was then shipped off to the USSR.

China had a small industrial base from the help of the Soviets after 1949. The first 30 years could have been beautiful had Liu Shaoqi, Zhou Enlai and Deng xiaoping been left to run the country. Add Mao and it was a disaster.