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How KMT and CPC fought towards the end of the WWII?

Look at how Taiwan developed rapidly under the guided reforms of the KMT. Friends, don't let your blind faith cloud objective judgment. Be pragmatic, be open minded.


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Chiang Kai Shek thought he had the mandate of heaven from the Qing, but it turns out, he was like Yang Jian of Sui - merely setting the stage for Tang.

He never had the Mandate of Heaven. The Mandate of Heaven was lost after the capitulation of the True Emperor, Pu Yi.
 
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The west love Chiang Kaishek because he is a good puppet and lacked real abilities as a leader. No surprise there. His wife was the economics minister, LOL. How well did that turn out? The Chiang-Soong family nothing but a bunch of aristocrats that profited from selling out China and being a good dog of the west. Enough said about these two families.

Fascist KMT vs Democratic KMT, which one is worse?

The later one is an even more obedient puppy to the western master.
 
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A las the vestiges of China's Imperial Glory is gone. Forever imbedded now in the pages of History.
 
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Chiang Kai Shek thought he had the mandate of heaven from the Qing, but it turns out, he was like Yang Jian of Sui - merely setting the stage for Tang.

Actually, it is an insult to compare Yang Jian to Chiang, because Yang Jian was an aggressive conquerer and built the grand canal, while Chiang did nothing.

PS, don't insult Sui, although it was a short lived dynasty, but it was nevertheless still a great dynasty that unified China after several hundred years of dis-unification.

But what KMT had accomplished so far? Practically nothing.

Neither one is good. But a democratic KMT is more akin to being a puppet.

The fascist KMT was coward and incompetent, while the democratic KMT is boneless.
 
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Look at how Taiwan developed rapidly under the guided reforms of the KMT. Friends, don't let your blind faith cloud objective judgment. Be pragmatic, be open minded.


Thanks.



He never had the Mandate of Heaven. The Mandate of Heaven was lost after the capitulation of the True Emperor, Pu Yi.

to the contrary - Manchus were barbarian usurpers who forcefully changed the culture of Han Chinese to become more barbarian. I recognize them as Chinese, but lets call it straight: they were outsiders who suppressed the natural development of Han culture and science.

The mandate of heaven lies with the PRC. You are too focused on details, not recognizing that every nation has a mandate of heaven - it is just another expression for human ecology. The dynastic cycle was caused by soil/water depletion, overpopulation and competition for limited resources. Once resources are stretched thin and the government cannot provide for its people against fluctuations of the market and the weather (losing the mandate of heaven), ordinarily insignificant events become disasters, disasters become famine, famine becomes rebellion, and rebellion leads to collapse. Not having an emperor doesn't mean that there's no mandate of heaven.
 
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PS, don't insult Sui, although it was a short lived dynasty, but it was nevertheless still a great dynasty that unified China after several hundred years of dis-unification.

But what KMT had accomplished so far? Practically nothing.



The fascist KMT was coward and incompetent, while the democratic KMT is boneless.
What pissed me off was that I saw on Youtube, an American documentary about Nanjing massacre--how Chiang was responsible for the massacre because when fighting the Japs he intentionally wanted to lose. :o: I can't remember why, but part of his strategy to lose was by not giving his field marshals any communications device :crazy: His generals knew the fight was lost before it even got started.
I been trying so hard to find this documentary so I can link it but cannot
 
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What pissed me off was that I saw on Youtube, an American documentary about Nanjing massacre--how Chiang was responsible for the massacre because when fighting the Japs he intentionally wanted to lose. :o: I can't remember why, but part of his strategy to lose was by not giving his field marshals any communications device :crazy: His generals knew the fight was lost before it even got started.
I been trying so hard to find this documentary so I can link it but cannot

Well, the KMT just let the citizens of Nanjing to serve as the cannon fodders.

And this event was even worse, they only killed few hundred Japanese soldiers at the expense of flooding millions of Chinese farmers.

1938 Yellow River flood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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As Diplomat readers are well aware — and the Pacific Realist is frankly sick of —China has mounted a sustained campaign demanding that Tokyo take a “correct” view of Imperial Japan’s unspeakable crimes during WWII.

There’s always been a good deal of irony to all of this. Although far too many Japanese leaders have tried to shrink or even deny the crimes of Imperial Japan, including its atrocities in China, successive Japanese governments have acknowledged and apologized for many of these.

On the other hand, the Chinese Communist Party has also committed numerous massacres of Chinese since establishing the People’s Republic of China. This began early in its tenure while consolidating its control over the vast country, as Frank Dikötter notes in a terrific recent book. With regards to the “land reform” campaign alone, for instance, Dikötter writes, “The exact number of victims killed in the land reform will never be known, but it is unlikely to have been fewer than 1.5 to 2 million people from 1947 to 1952.” At least another two million were killed in the Great Terror that Mao launched between 1950-1952 to weed out imaginary counter-revolutionaries.

Of course, there was also the widespread famine that killed tens of millions during the Great Leap Forward. To be sure, there’s no reason to believe that Mao and the other CCP leaders intended to starve these people when they launched the Great Leap Forward. That being said, they continued these policies for years after they realized the disastrous outcomes they were having simply because Mao didn’t want to admit his failures. Then, of course, the entire country was plunged into chaos once again during the Cultural Revolution, which was Mao’s attempt to ensure his atrocities weren’t publicly acknowledged by the Party after his death.

As it turned, he needn’t have worried as the CCP under Deng Xiaoping decided it was not in the Party’s interest to acknowledge it had nearly destroyed the county many times over in its first 25 years in power. Instead, the CCP has devoted considerable resources to systematically rewriting history — or at the very least burying it. Unlike in Japan, where history is distorted by hardline leaders, in China distorting history is the official state policy. Meanwhile, taking the correct view of history is illegal — which is why books like Tombstone are banned.

Reasonable observers might conclude that it is the height of hypocrisy for the CCP to wage a global PR war over Japan’s views of history on the one hand, while on the other hand criminalizing a correct view of its own history. And there was a time not too long ago I might have agreed with these reasonable observers’ conclusion. However, this week Xi Jinping and the CCP took their hypocrisy on history to new heights.

As Shannon reported on Wednesday, earlier this year “China’s legislature passed a resolution creating two new national observances. ‘Victory Day’ on September 3 would commemorate Japan’s surrender in the ‘War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression,’ China’s name for its fight against Imperial Japan before and during World War II. December 13 was also named a National Memorial Day to commemorate the Nanjing Massacre.”

She went on to note that President Xi and the entire Politburo Standing Committee participated in the new Victory Day celebrations, which they used mostly to criticize contemporary Japanese policy, and to try to create the impression that Japan’s shifting defense posture represents a return to the militarism of Imperial Japan.

However, along with criticizing Japan, Xi and the PBSC also used the Victory Day celebrations to praise the CCP itself. As Shannon writes, the Victory Day holiday “also served as a celebration of the Chinese Communist Party’s role in defeating Japan — and more than that, in saving China from its century of humiliation…. Xi credited the CCP with spearheading the movement to unite all of China’s people in opposition to Japan. To Xi Jinping, the deciding factors in the war were the ‘great national spirit’ of the Chinese people — particularly, their patriotism — and the leadership of the CCP.”

None of this is particularly new. The CCP has long claimed credit for having tirelessly defended China from the Imperial Japanese army. This couldn’t be further from the truth, however. As I have noted elsewhere, Japan’s invasion of China saved the CCP from Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT, and ultimately allowed Mao to defeat the KMT in the ensuing civil war. Indeed, by the end of 1934, the CCP was on the verge of extinction after KMT troops delivered another heavy blow to the Red Army in Jiangxi Province, which forced the Party to undertake the now infamous Long March to Xi’an in the northwestern province of Shaanxi. Chiang initially pursued the Communist forces, and would have almost certainly delivered a final blow to the CCP if war with Japan could have been delayed.

At the onset of the war, then, the CCP was not in any position to defend anyone from the formidable Japanese military. In fact, it wasn’t even in a position to defend itself from the KMT. The initial battles of the second Sino-Japanese War in southern China were the largest ones, and the KMT fought them alone.

This would be the trend of the entire war. As two scholars note, “From 1937 to 1945, there were 23 battles where both sides employed at least a regiment each. The CCP was not a main force in any of these. The only time it participated, it sent a mere 1,000 to 1,500 men, and then only as a security detachment on one of the flanks.There were 1,117 significant engagements on a scale smaller than a regular battle, but the CCP fought in only one. Of the approximately 40,000 skirmishes, just 200 were fought by the CCP, or 0.5 percent.”

By the CCP’s own accounts during the war, it barely played a role. Specifically, in January 1940 Zhou Enlai sent a secret report to Joseph Stalin which said that over a million Chinese had died fighting the Japanese through the summer of 1939. He further admitted that only 3 percent of those were CCP forces. In the same letter, Zhou pledged to continue to support Chiang and recognize “the key position of the Kuomintang in leading the organs of power and the army throughout the country.” In fact, in direct contradiction to Xi’s claims on Wednesday, Zhou acknowledged that Chiang and the KMT “united all the forces of the nation” in resisting Japan’s aggression.

While the KMT were busy uniting the country and fighting the Japanese military, CCP forces spent much of the early part of the war hiding in the mountains to avoid battle. As the KMT was decimated by the Japanese military, it was forced to retreat further south. At the same time, the Japanese forces largely focused on securing control of Chinese cities and strategic infrastructure, while ignoring China’s massive countryside. Thus, the KMT’s efforts to actually defend China created a power vacuum in rural areas, which the CCP came out of hiding to seize. It used its control over these villages to perfect its propaganda and political efforts, and hid among the population to avoid fighting the Japanese army. According to Soviet military advisers stationed in CCP-controlled areas at the time, the CCP also used this land to grow opium to fund its growing operations.

As far as fighting went, the CCP engaged in guerilla warfare and sabotage missions. This certainly annoyed the Japanese forces, but it did not have a significant impact on Japan’s war operations. In fact, even the Japanese North China Area Army — which had command over the northern areas where the CCP was located and the KMT was relatively weaker than elsewhere —continued to see defeating the KMT as its primary objective. The greater impact of these guerilla operations was in helping the CCP win new recruits. The CCP used their “heroic” operations against the hated Japanese enemy to recruit young men (and women) to their cause, much as militant groups like the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham film their exploits today and post them on YouTube to attract recruits.

This was highly successful. According to the CCP’s own estimates, it began the war with 30,000 troops. By Victory Day, it had 1.2 million regular troops and around 2.6 million to 3 million militia under its command. It was also quick to seize the areas that the Japanese army was vacating, and seized the Japanese equipment. In fact, in some instances it even forced the Japanese soldiers to join the Red Army (the KMT did the same). Of course, the war not only allowed the CCP to grow much stronger, but it also greatly depleted the Nationalist’s strength. This allowed the CCP to prevail easily in the civil war.

This was not by accident but by design. The CCP had a choice: it could have prioritized defending the country against Japan during the war, or it could have prioritized seizing control of China from those who did fight the Japanese. It chose the latter. Meanwhile, by choosing to actually try to defend China against Japan during the war, the Nationalists handed the country to the CCP afterwards.

Which is why Xi and the CCP’s decision to create a national observance day to honor its defense of China during the second Sino-Japanese War represents the height of hypocrisy. It’s one thing to try to suppress all information exposing the Party’s failings, which killed millions of Chinese, while demanding Japan take a correct view of history (which Tokyo should do). It’s another thing altogether to falsely claim credit for one of the defining moments of your country’s modern history. And it’s really something unprecedented to create a national holiday to honor your Party for doing something it consciously avoided; namely, putting China’s defense over the CCP itself. Classy.



Reference: The Diplomat
The CCP Didn’t Fight Imperial Japan; the KMT Did | The Diplomat
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He got some feud with Mao, but this guy was still brilliant, indeed one of the greatest PLA Generals of all time.
I am wondering why he got no balls to fight US in Korean War? The US is not as strong as he describe and Peng did a good job for PVA in Korea War
 
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I am wondering why he got no balls to fight US in Korean War? The US is not as strong as he describe and Peng did a good job for PVA in Korea War

He was a brilliant PLA commander, but not the most loyal one.

Peng was not as brilliant as Lin, but he got more tough guy attitude, that's why his army fought bravely during the Korean War.

Lin could also do the same job, but he chose to play safe.
 
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Look at how Taiwan developed rapidly under the guided reforms of the KMT. Friends, don't let your blind faith cloud objective judgment. Be pragmatic, be open minded.
To administer a vast country like China that has over 2000 counties is far hard than a little island like Taiwan that only has 20 county. And the mainland has a 70 times population as large as Taiwanese, meanwhile KMT took about 450 tons of gold(the mainland's most gold reserve) and most talents of all kinds from mainland to Taiwan.
What a stupid one that cannot take care of a little island with the most resources expropriated from a vast country.
 
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To administer a vast country like China that has over 2000 counties is far hard than a little island like Taiwan that only has 20 county. And the mainland has a 70 times population as large as Taiwanese, meanwhile KMT took about 450 tons of gold(the mainland's most gold reserve) and most talents of all kinds from mainland to Taiwan.
What a stupid one that cannot take care of a little island with the most resources expropriated from a vast country.

Excuses.

Do you not agree that Taiwan is a super developed country with one of the highest GDP per capita ? Do you not agree that Taiwan was one of the original Asian Economic Tigers? Do you not agree that Taiwan has one of the highest HDI ranking in the Asian Pacific Region, world?These accomplishments made by the Taiwanese nation and Taiwanese people were achieved through governance of the KMT. Sound economic policy, coupled with shrewd politics --- that is the character trait of KMT leadership throughout the years.

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Excuses.

Do you not agree that Taiwan is a super developed country with one of the highest GDP per capita ? Do you not agree that Taiwan was one of the original Asian Economic Tigers? Do you not agree that Taiwan has one of the highest HDI ranking in the Asian Pacific Region, world?These accomplishments made by the Taiwanese nation and Taiwanese people were achieved through governance of the KMT. Sound economic policy, coupled with shrewd politics --- that is the character trait of KMT leadership throughout the years.
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Seemly my comment above has explain very much about your question, for a small economic entity like Taiwan its achievements are very plain with a higher starting point than the Mainland (thank to your Japs's settlement)and a such large capital primitive accumulation from the Mainland in the open economic environment after WWII. But the Taiwan has fail in industrial upgrading, the economy has stagated over 20 years just like your Japan:disagree:, the salaries of common people has also stop increasing for over 20 years:bounce:. Nowadays the Taiwanese so-called prosperities in economy deeply depand on the over 100 billion dollars surpus from the mainland. Taiwanese socalled advanced industries such as electronic industry are very weak to be easily replaced by the mainland. For the Mainland, it is hard to change Taiwan to become the next Korea, but it is very easy to change Taiwan to become the next Greece, but seemly the most people of Taiwan are absolutely unable to understand the CCP's generousness.:disagree: The CCP always is what it has been 70 years ago, and the KMT also is the party that it has been 70 years ago.:bounce:
 
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