How Japan’s pledge to defend Taiwan against China may tip Asia’s balance of power

[casual]

No KKV is not use by THAAD, THAAD is a hit to kill INTERCEPTOR, Mid course ABM system is using KKV, and there is way to predict HGVs changing trajectories, BY USING MUTIPLE RADARS, then INTERCEPTING WILL BE EASY

ok not THAAD then what? SM3? PAC3? non of that is effective against HGVs

 

[White and Green with M/S]

ok not THAAD then what? SM3? PAC3? non of that is effective against HGVs

THAAD Will also attack HGVS, and include SM 6 also, and do you know these are not effective against HGVs, are you Expert on this???, and when hundreds of THAAD SM 3/SM 6 PAC 3 Interceptors will fire at maneuvering HGVs may be few or 50% will hit surely

 

[Leishangthem]

China provoking Japan? So does Japan really want to live peacefully with China? Has Japan apologized, compensated or acknowledged the crimes it has committed against China? Did Japan accept the return of the islands it took away from China after the first Sino-Japanese war? Does China interfere in Japan's internal affairs or does Japan interfere in China's internal affairs? If Japan wanted peace with China, why did the two countries normalize relations in 1980, the first thing the Japanese did was send spies to China, stealing China's military secrets?

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You deliberately ignore the Sino-Soviet border conflict. From the perspective of the Soviet Union at the time, China was a provocative state. But from China's perspective, they are defending their territory. If China was cowardly and afraid of the Soviet Union, why didn't they cede those parts of the territory to the Soviet Union, on the contrary, they resisted the Soviet Union to the end, resisted the Soviet Union until the Soviet Union collapsed and finally Putin must acknowledge China's sovereignty over those parts of the territory.

You talk about the issue of China massacring Japanese civilians and Mao denies it? You blame China again for some incidents where Chinese people were angry and wanted to take revenge on Japanese civilians in the past? Japan waged war, devastated the entire northeastern region of China, massacred 20-30 million Chinese civilians, organized large-scale genocides such as the Nanjing Massacre, unit 731... and many other crimes. Are Japanese civilians and soldiers really innocent? Who initiated this war? Japan entered China, robbed-burn-rape-kill, until now they still do not compensate, do not apologize, do not acknowledge the crimes they have committed. Comparing what China does and Japan do, who is more brutal and cruel?

China signed a treaty recognizing Russia's sovereignty over those territories. China also recognized Mongolia's independence. But for other territories like Dasmanky, China absolutely does not cede to Russia. At that time, the Soviet Union was a superpower, and China was a 3rd world country, but China dared to oppose the Soviet Union to the end and absolutely did not give up an inch of land. And in the end China won.
The same is true for DiaoYu/Senkaku. China has never recognized it as Japanese territory

China provoking Japan? So does Japan really want to live peacefully with China? Has Japan apologized, compensated or acknowledged the crimes it has committed against China? Did Japan accept the return of the islands it took away from China after the first Sino-Japanese war?

You just remind me of Iris Chang( author of rape of nanking ) on national TV,she represents people with the attitude like you're exhibiting.

Here's what how the discussion went between Iris Chang & Japan Amb. on BBC ,word by word:

Iris Chang : Can the ambassador say on national TV ,today,live,that he personally is profoundly sorry for the rape of Nanking and other war crimes against china?.

Jpn amb: We do recognize violence and cruelty has been committed by the members of the Japanese military,and we are very sorry for that,and we understand that the memory for those suffered last long and I personally think that this is a burden that the Japanese people will have to carry for a long time. ..

The news anchor asked did yo hear the apology?

Iris Chang(frantically ) :I don't know.I didn't hear an apology,did you hear an apology? I didn't hear a word of apology ,and if he said that genuinely I personally am sorry for what the Japanese military did during ww2,I would have considered that an apology,I think that would have been a great step in right direction.
But again there are these worlds such as regret,remorse & unfortunate things happen*** and it's because of these types of worlds and the vagueness of the expression that the Chinese people are infuriated.
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Admittedly,the ambassador isn't the most charismatic and struggling in a foreign language ,but he does literally say " we are very sorry " on national TV as Chang demanded.Here at no part mentioned the term " regret,remorse & unfortunate things happen" as she suggested,it is as if she's not listening,as if she doesn't want to hear anything but equivocation from the ambassador.

She represents people who still say Japan hadn't apologized or didn't even pay any reparation, though even in direct monetary value,japan paid 35 billion USD till date as aid to China ,and after adjustment to current currency value, it's well over 50 billion USD. Japan not just funded in a monetary basis but directly shared technology and taught knowhow about developing local industries,Chinese banking,industry standard,and various other policies standard are direct replica of Japan similar to that of Korea,which is nation build from the scratch from Japanese aid and Japan blueprint.

Regarding your "Did Japan accept the return of the islands it took away from China after the first Sino-Japanese war? ".

My question is ,did China even considered Senkaku islands as their and brought it up during the April 1895 peace treaty negotiations after first Sino-Japanese war?
In the 1895 peace treaty how can Japan return something which Qing China itself viewed as part of Ryukyu kingdom island chain,a part of Japan?

A report on Japan submitted to the Qing government by in 1889 by Premier Li Hongzhang, who soon represented China in the April 1895 peace talks with Japan. The report titled You li Riben tu jing (Maps, Figures and Depiction of Japan based on field research), explicitly listed the Senkakus as Japanese territory.
You li Riben tu jing, written by a Qing official and submitted in 1889 to the court was approved and published --ahead of the Japanese cabinet decision to annex the Senkakus in 1895,recognizes the Senkakus as being Japanese territory .

PS: Both China & Japan are far more capable than Russia,none of them are scared of anything when push comes to shove.Japan has much more competent human resource and far advanced technologically and economically than Russia,it's just about avoiding needless war and provocation,Japan simply has got much more to lose than Russia which is in tatters.

 

[casual]

THAAD Will also attack HGVS, and include SM 6 also, and do you know these are not effective against HGVs, are you Expert on this???, and when hundreds of THAAD SM 3/SM 6 PAC 3 Interceptors will fire at maneuvering HGVs may be few or 50% will hit surely

because HGV flight profile is wildly different then a standard BM. None of those intercept systems were tested against HGVs. Actually, the US don't even have any HGVs to test against.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

because HGV flight profile is wildly different then a standard BM. None of those intercept systems were tested against HGVs. Actually, the US don't even have any HGVs to test against.

LOL do you what is HGVs???

 

[casual]

LOL do you what is HGVs???

DF-17

 

[White and Green with M/S]

DF-17

I am not asking you to name a weapon, but asking WHAT IS HGVs??

 

[casual]

I am not asking you to name a weapon, but asking WHAT IS HGVs??

Non-ballistic atmospheric entry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Non-ballistic atmospheric entry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And read it who developed it, they know how to defeat it

 

[zhxy]

You just remind me of that Iris Chang( author of rape of nanking ) on national TV,she represents people with the attitude like you're exhibiting.

Here's what how the discussion went between Iris Chang & Japan Amb. on BBC ,word by word:

Iris Chang : Can the ambassador say on national TV ,today,live,that he personally is profoundly sorry for the rape of Nanking and other war crimes against china?.

Jpn amb: We do recognize violence and cruelty has been committed by the members of the Japanese military,and we are very sorry for that,and we understand that the memory for those suffered last long and I personally think that this is a burden that the Japanese people will have to carry for a long time. ..

The news anchor asked did yo hear the apology?

Iris Chang(frantically ) :I don't know.I didn't hear an apology,did you hear an apology? I didn't hear a word of apology ,and if he said that genuinely I personally am sorry for what the Japanese military did during ww2,I would have considered that an apology,I think that would have been a great step in right direction.
But again there are these worlds such as regret,remorse & unfortunate things happen*** and it's because of these types of worlds and the vagueness of the expression that the Chinese people are infuriated.
:
:
Admittedly,the ambassador isn't the most charismatic and struggling in a foreign language ,but he does literally say " we are very sorry " on national TV as Chang demanded.Here at no part mentioned the term " regret,remorse & unfortunate things happen" as she suggested,it is as if she's not listening,as if she doesn't want to hear anything but equivocation from the ambassador.

She represents people who still say Japan hadn't apologized or didn't even pay any reparation, though even in direct monetary value,japan paid 35 billion USD till date as aid to China ,and after adjustment to current currency value, it's well over 50 billion USD. Japan not just funded in a monetary basis but directly shared technology and taught knowhow about developing local industries,Chinese banking,industry standard,and various other policies standard are direct replica of Japan similar to that of Korea,which is nation build from the scratch from Japanese aid and Japan blueprint.

Regarding your "Did Japan accept the return of the islands it took away from China after the first Sino-Japanese war? ".

My question is ,did China even considered Senkaku islands , or even brought it up during the April 1895 peace treaty negotiations after first Sino-Japanese war?

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A report on Japan submitted to the Qing government by in 1889 by Premier Li Hongzhang, who soon represented China in the April 1895 peace talks with Japan. The report titled You li Riben tu jing (Maps, Figures and Depiction of Japan based on field research), explicitly listed the Senkakus as Japanese territory.
You li Riben tu jing, written by a Qing official and submitted in 1889 to the court was approved and published --ahead of the Japanese cabinet decision to annex the Senkakus in 1895,recognizes the Senkakus as being Japanese territory .

PS: Both China & Japan are far more capable than Russia,none of them are scared of anything when push comes to shove.Japan has much more competent human resource and far advanced technologically and economically than Russia,it's just about avoiding needless war and provocation,Japan simply has got much more to lose than Russia which is in tatters.

1. So how do you define sorry? Do the Japanese government and Japanese people have any sincerity and regrets? Or do you define it as a brief apology in a few lines and close. Or is this apology the opinion of a few Japanese individuals and does it represent their entire nation? They apologize, but they don't regret what they've done, they continue to deny the crimes they've committed, and that's also apologizing?

2. Japanese help and China in terms of money and technology? Are you sure?
All Japanese actions are based on Japan's interests first, not out of regret or remorse for any country. Japanese money is not free, it also comes with many conditions and constraints from the Japanese side. Next is that technology is also not freely and unconditionally shared, China only receives outdated-inefficient technologies, and the most common form of technology is the joint venture between the two countries, China becomes the consumption market of Japanese enterprises. In fact, not only Japan, but also European companies do the same. Industrial standardization, technology sharing... Japan has, so does Europe and America. And now the Japanese still dream that without them China would never modernize.
-Does Japan invest in China because they want China to become rich-modern or because they want their businesses to make a lot of money in China? If China does not have a large consumer market, low labor costs, will Japan accept investment-joint ventures with China?
- Japan wants to help and support China? If true, why would they send so many spies into China, even posing as economic experts, to infiltrate China's industrial and defense facilities?

Pictured is Hiromasa Ao, he pretends to be an economist, hides in China for 37 years, steals many important Chinese information, and was only caught in 2016

3. And according to that without the First Sino-Japanese War, Taiwan would continue to be a part of China, and Diaoyu would be a part of it, and there would never be a dispute like now. You rely on a map to define Senkaku as Japanese, by the same logic, what right does Japan have over the northern islands and Diaoyu when based on old maps, it belongs to China?

 

[casual]

And read it who developed it, they know how to defeat it

don't know what you are trying to say. you are making funny claims that THAAD or SM3 or SM6 would work against DF17 when even the US military flat out said they don't. Also, the US never developed a successful HGV with extended glide capabilities. They tried with HTV2 and it was a total failure.

Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 - Wikipedia

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[White and Green with M/S]

don't know what you are trying to say. you are making funny claims that THAAD or SM3 or SM6 would work against DF17 when even the US military flat out said they don't. Also, the US never developed a successful HGV with extended glide capabilities. They tried with HTV2 and it was a total failure.

Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh brother i am not trying to say THAAD/SM3 or SM6 can 100% Intercept HGVs, but their is a chance of 50% they can intercept your HGVs through LAYERED DEFENSES and COOPERATIVE ENGAGEMENT CAPABILITIES

AND FOR TE FIRST PART OF YOUR POST< PLEASE READ IT WHO RESEARCHED AND DEVELOP THE BOOST GLIDE VEHICLE CONCEPT IN 60s and IN 70s, THEY KNOWS WHAT'S THE WEAKNESS AND STRONG POINTS OF BOOST GLIDE VEHICLES, THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY TO YOU BROTHER, THANK YOU

 

[Leishangthem]

1. So how do you define sorry? Do the Japanese government and Japanese people have any sincerity and regrets? Or do you define it as a brief apology in a few lines and close. Or is this apology the opinion of a few Japanese individuals and does it represent their entire nation? They apologize, but they don't regret what they've done, they continue to deny the crimes they've committed, and that's also apologizing?
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2. Japanese help and China in terms of money and technology? Are you sure?
All Japanese actions are based on Japan's interests first, not out of regret or remorse for any country. Japanese money is not free, it also comes with many conditions and constraints from the Japanese side. Next is that technology is also not freely and unconditionally shared, China only receives outdated-inefficient technologies, and the most common form of technology is the joint venture between the two countries, China becomes the consumption market of Japanese enterprises. In fact, not only Japan, but also European companies do the same. Industrial standardization, technology sharing... Japan has, so does Europe and America. And now the Japanese still dream that without them China would never modernize.
-Does Japan invest in China because they want China to become rich-modern or because they want their businesses to make a lot of money in China? If China does not have a large consumer market, low labor costs, will Japan accept investment-joint ventures with China?

3. And according to that without the First Sino-Japanese War, Taiwan would continue to be a part of China, and Diaoyu would be a part of it, and there would never be a dispute like now. You rely on a map to define Senkaku as Japanese, by the same logic, what right does Japan have over the northern islands and Diaoyu when based on old maps, it belongs to China?

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1. So how do you define sorry? Do the Japanese government and Japanese people have any sincerity and regrets? Or do you define it as a brief apology in a few lines and close. Or is this apology the opinion of a few Japanese individuals and does it represent their entire nation? They apologize, but they don't regret what they've done, they continue to deny the crimes they've committed, and that's also apologizing?
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Did Japanese ambassador apologize?
Did Japanese PM apologize?
Did Emperor of Japan himself apologize?
And how many times?

Again you are just like Iris Chang,nothing will satisfy you ,you will always pick someone from the 100 million odd Japanese, that doesn't agree with you side of the story.

Japanese mind and heart has been replaced by US with victim mentality to justify nuking and war on Japan,Japanese are the most apologetic people there ever is,and hence Japanese PM,Emperor,Ambassador apologies unconditionally

.But anyone that has done a genuine study based on historical records and documents not reading just some testimonies,will see the typical pattern of history is written by victor situation on this ,as it has happened since the dawn of humanity,the ruling regime vilified the previous dethroned regime and so on.So there will always be some naysayer,unless u prevent human critical thinking when they get across recorded facts like this.

The head of the Police Department of Nanking, Mr. Wan about a week before the Japanese attack on Nanking:The population of Nanking is about about 200,000. .

The International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone, which was a group of Westerners remaining in Nanking, announced : “About 200,000 people still live here in Nanking.” Five days after the Japanese occupation, on December 18, 1937.

The International Committee On January 14, 1938, about one month after the Japanese occupation: The population of Nanking had increased to about 250,000.

Would people flock to a region deemed ground zero for massacre? based on facts it seems Chinese people liked the stability in Nanjing after Chiang Kai sek's dictatorship was removed from the region ,and flocked there.
How can Japan kill 300k civilian from a city population of 200K?

Red Swastika Society, a Chinese voluntary association in Nanking, recorded the figure was 40k burials,that's your death toll for battle.Only 0.3 percent consisted of women and children,. The burial list has the distinction of sex and rough age.


And then Zeng Xubai(the head of the Kuomintang Central Information Department, Autobiography): “paid out money, requested that [Timperley] write a book ''what war means"(, and succeeded in having it published.” .The Rabe-Timperly-Bates trio and their close associates that are the primary source for Nanking massacre,personally acknowledged they never saw a single massacre committed by the Japanese in but testimony or personal memo to embassies,totally different than what they preached in Media and KMT sponsored book "what war means"-which is the the first book about nanking massacre written by Timperley sitting in Shanghai based on what he "heard"....,he was in fact, an advisor to the Nationalist government’s Ministry of Information. Rev. Bates, a famous Christian missionary who taught at the University of Nanking, was also an advisor to the Ministry of Information. Rabe was the head of the Nanking branch office of Siemens AG, which had sold antiaircraft guns to the Chinese Nationalist Party. As an arms merchant . These are your source of Nanking massacre ,and they all these characters have never seen any massacre themselves based on their own words.

China seeks to silence and displace any voice of investigation in the legality and reliability about the massacre ,any voice not 100% agreeing the Beijing narrative will be shunned.

Japanese help and China in terms of money and technology? Are you sure?
All Japanese actions are based on Japan's interests first, not out of regret or remorse for any country. Japanese money is not free, it also comes with many conditions and constraints from the Japanese side. Next is that technology is also not freely and unconditionally shared, China only receives outdated-inefficient technologies, and the most common form of technology is the joint venture between the two countries, China becomes the consumption market of Japanese enterprises. In fact, not only Japan, but also European companies do the same. Industrial standardization, technology sharing... Japan has, so does Europe and America. And now the Japanese still dream that without them China would never modernize.
-Does Japan invest in China because they want China to become rich-modern or because they want their businesses to make a lot of money in China? If China does not have a large consumer market, low labor costs, will Japan accept investment-joint ventures with China?

You are mistaking the aid related sum for investment which runs in another many many billions,Japan didn't forced china to take it,China wanted it ,China never complained about any unfair practice or terms.

And according to that without the First Sino-Japanese War, Taiwan would continue to be a part of China, and Diaoyu would be a part of it, and there would never be a dispute like now. You rely on a map to define Senkaku as Japanese, by the same logic, what right does Japan have over the northern islands and Diaoyu when based on old maps, it belongs to China?

? The Qing official map isn't about what Japan won by war but about what was Japan's territory according to Qing China meanhwile you posted latest printed qing empire map,Senkaku didn't belonged to Taiwan or Qing ,Taiwan just a rock with may be few tribes, senkaku was acknowledged as part of ryuku kingdom based on Qing documents ,that's what I'm saying. .Taiwan was stand alone deal based on documental records.

 

[Nan Yang]

Did Japanese ambassador apologize?
Did Japanese PM apologize?
Did Emperor of Japan himself apologize?
And how many times?

Again you are just like Iris Chang,nothing will satisfy you ,you will always pick someone from the 100 odd million Japanese, that doesn't agree with you side of the story.

Japanese mind and heart has been replaced by US with victim mentality to justify nuking and war on Japan,Japanese are the most apologetic people there ever is,and hence Japanese PM,Emperor,Ambassador apologies unconditionally

.But anyone that has done a genuine study based on historical records and documents not reading just some testimonies,will see the typical pattern of history is written by victor situation on this ,as it has happened since the dawn of humanity,the ruling regime vilified the previous dethroned regime and so on.So there will always be some naysayer,unless u prevent human critical thinking when they get across recorded facts like this.

The head of the Police Department of Nanking, Mr. Wan about a week before the Japanese attack on Nanking:The population of Nanking is about about 200,000. .

The International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone, which was a group of Westerners remaining in Nanking, announced : “About 200,000 people still live here in Nanking.” Five days after the Japanese occupation, on December 18, 1937.

The International Committee On January 14, 1938, about one month after the Japanese occupation: The population of Nanking had increased to about 250,000.

Would people flock to a region deemed ground zero for massacre? based on facts it seems Chinese people liked the stability in Nanjing after Chiang Kai sek's dictatorship was removed from the region ,and flocked there.
How can Japan kill 300k civilian from a city population of 200K?

Red Swastika Society, a Chinese voluntary association in Nanking, recorded the figure was 40k burials,that's your death toll for battle.Only 0.3 percent consisted of women and children,. The burial list has the distinction of sex and rough age.


And then Zeng Xubai(the head of the Kuomintang Central Information Department, Autobiography): “paid out money, requested that [Timperley] write a book ''what war means"(, and succeeded in having it published.” .The Rabe-Timperly-Bates trio and their close associates that are the primary source for Nanking massacre,personally acknowledged they never saw a single massacre committed by the Japanese in but testimony or personal memo to embassies,totally different than what they preached in Media and KMT sponsored book "what war means"-which is the the first book about nanking massacre written by Timperley sitting in Shanghai based on what he "heard"....,he was in fact, an advisor to the Nationalist government’s Ministry of Information. Rev. Bates, a famous Christian missionary who taught at the University of Nanking, was also an advisor to the Ministry of Information. Rabe was the head of the Nanking branch office of Siemens AG, which had sold antiaircraft guns to the Chinese Nationalist Party. As an arms merchant . These are your source of Nanking massacre ,and they all these characters have never seen any massacre themselves based on their own words.

China seeks to silence and displace any voice of investigation in the legality and reliability about the massacre ,any voice not 100% agreeing the Beijing narrative will be shunned.


You are mistaking the aid related sum for investment which runs in another many many billions,Japan didn't forced china to take it,China wanted it ,China never complained about any unfair practice or terms.


? The Qing official map isn't about what Japan won by war but about what was Japan's territory according to Qing China meanhwile you posted latest printed qing empire map,Senkaku didn't belonged to Taiwan or Qing ,Taiwan just a rock with may be few tribes, senkaku was acknowledged as part of ryuku kingdom based on Qing documents ,that's what I'm saying. .Taiwan was stand alone deal based on documental records.

Every word of the so call "apology" has to be approved by the Japanese parliament.
If the Japanese PM just utter a wrong word he will be in trouble.

That's how "sincere" the apology is.

Maybe I shouldn't use the word apology. It's more like regret.

 

[Leishangthem]

Every word of the so call "apology" has to be approved by the Japanese parliament.
If the Japanese PM just utter a wrong word he will be in trouble.

That's how "sincere" the apology is.

Maybe I shouldn't use the word apology. It's more like regret.

First never apologized !!

Next every word have to be approved by 100 million japanese or else chopping block!

Great,people who were not even alive duing that period pretend to be most hurt, drama queens born out of entertainment media.