How India’s strategic partnership with UAE will hit Pakistan where it hurts

[Desert Fox]

question is why would india do what USA had been doing for last centuary in mashrik e ghusta ?

india has niether the acceptabilitty nor the recources like the USA and above all intention to do so

its onli some conspiracy theorists like shahid masood who keep selling such hillarious "mithee golies" to gullible pakistani awaam

as for taliban or ISIS they are both like diffrent faces of the same coin ... ek mayan me do talwarre nahi reh sakti

I think you should look at the context of my post vis a vis @SwAggeR post in which he alluded to Pakistan "pissing Arabs off at the wrong time". Question is, what will Arabs do to Pakistan? Can they afford to piss Pakistan off? If they piss Pakistan off then they can say good by to the only country willing to provide them protection at a time they need it most. Pakistan refused to get involved in the Yemen intervention which was the right thing to do, but we didn't refuse military protection of the GCC states and neither are the Arabs stupid enough to lose our protection of their fragile regimes. No other country (not even an Arab country) will be able to fill in this void if Pakistan withdraws its military protection of the GCC states. So for all of the indian sensationalism here about "Pakistan pissing Arabs off" and how india will team up with Arabs to hurt Pakistan (lmao), its really not going to happen because Arabs know india is investing heavily in Iran.

Secondly, regarding Taliban, i agree with you on that.

 

[GURU DUTT]

I think you should look at the context of my post vis a vis @SwAggeR post in which he alluded to Pakistan "pissing Arabs off at the wrong time". Question is, what will Arabs do to Pakistan? Can they afford to piss Pakistan off? If they piss Pakistan off then they can say good by to the only country willing to provide them protection at a time they need it most. Pakistan refused to get involved in the Yemen intervention which was the right thing to do, but we didn't refuse military protection of the GCC states and neither are the Arabs stupid enough to lose our protection of their fragile regimes. No other country (not even an Arab country) will be able to fill in this void if Pakistan withdraws its military protection of the GCC states. So for all of the indian sensationalism here about "Pakistan pissing Arabs off" and how india will team up with Arabs to hurt Pakistan (lmao), its really not going to happen because Arabs know india is investing heavily in Iran.

Secondly, regarding Taliban, i agree with you on that.

trust me sirji its onli indian prestitutes that keep doing it what MEA does is complitelli opposite what these presstitutes profess or propogate .... dont you know how media survives these days

 

[xyxmt]

Still burnin' in that place where the sun don't shine, hunh ?

but your face shine bright in there when you kissing it

 

[Capt.Popeye]

but your face shine bright in there when you kissing it

In your dreams mian.... like horses that fly!!!

 

[SrNair]

I think you should look at the context of my post vis a vis @SwAggeR post in which he alluded to Pakistan "pissing Arabs off at the wrong time". Question is, what will Arabs do to Pakistan? Can they afford to piss Pakistan off? If they piss Pakistan off then they can say good by to the only country willing to provide them protection at a time they need it most. Pakistan refused to get involved in the Yemen intervention which was the right thing to do, but we didn't refuse military protection of the GCC states and neither are the Arabs stupid enough to lose our protection of their fragile regimes. No other country (not even an Arab country) will be able to fill in this void if Pakistan withdraws its military protection of the GCC states. So for all of the indian sensationalism here about "Pakistan pissing Arabs off" and how india will team up with Arabs to hurt Pakistan (lmao), its really not going to happen because Arabs know india is investing heavily in Iran.

Secondly, regarding Taliban, i agree with you on that.

I disagree in there dude.
Arabs have money .Enough money to force the West to take their protection.When Iraq attacked Kuwait during Gulf war ,it was the operation desert storm under the US that defeated Saddam's military .Pakistan was nowhere in that scenario.
And any reprisals from Pakistan against GCC will affect both states .But Pakistan would ultimately faces the severe consequences .Because GCC is still remain as your income source.
Qatar already have a military pact with India.There is around 7 million Indians in GCC .We will interevene if their life is at danger.Arabs can also manipulate various elements inside Pakistan if they want.

 

[Desert Fox]

I disagree in there dude.
Arabs have money .Enough money to force the West to take their protection.When Iraq attacked Kuwait during Gulf war ,it was the operation desert storm under the US that defeated Saddam's military .Pakistan was nowhere in that scenario.

And do you know the amount of money the USA demanded in return for all of the costs of deployment and operations? It went into the billions. War isn't cheap, and neither are the Gulf Arabs willing to pay "enough money" to the West today. Those times were different as now the USA has refused to do the Arabs bidding against Iran. EVEN Israel couldn't convice America to go against Iran, then what makes you think Arabs could with all of their wealth?

Thus, Pakistan remains indispensable to the Arabs.

And any reprisals from Pakistan against GCC will affect both states .But Pakistan would ultimately faces the severe consequences .Because GCC is still remain as your income source.

Yes, you're right, but at most Pakistan will lose its remittances. However, the GCC regimes will collapse like a house of cards with no one left to protect them. So they do need us more than we need them.

Qatar already have a military pact with India.There is around 7 million Indians in GCC .We will interevene if their life is at danger.Arabs can also manipulate various elements inside Pakistan if they want.

So you're telling me that india will take the role of USA as Arab regime's protector? I don't think so because then that would mean antagonizing Iran.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am very pleased with this Modi trip. Yes, Pakistan is going to heart. It is going to hurt those foollish Pakistani's who have in their head this dream of ummah brotherhood and Arab fidelity. This should shake thier ground and make them face reality. So I consider this as a good dose of "reality check" for many Pakistani.

On the practical level it will have zero differance. UAE already favours India in jobs, contracts etc. As regards investments UAE does it to make profit. When people "invest" they do it for their own benefit. They don't do you favour. They put money hoping to make more money. It is not charity or grant.

So in the real world UAE will continue to India's biggest source of funds. UAE will continue to be best place for Indians to get jobs.

So I frankly see no problem with "hurt" other than where it was needed to bring about bit of introspection.

 

[Indus Falcon]

The houbara: Dodging extinction

Interested people may also read this related thread. And by the way one of the pictures in linked article has a structure that has "Long live Pakistan UAE friendship" written on it, and most probably it was built by these same sheikhs who are hugging Modi today.

Those who actually make decisions, didn't bother meeting Modi If I were to tell you why,you wouldn't believe me.

Keep dreaming

Wait and see, this visit will be a bigger slap on the butchers face, than his visit to China!

 

[I.R.A]

Those who actually make decisions, didn't bother meeting Modi If I were to tell you why,you wouldn't believe me.

I am all eyes would love to read that if somehow possible , with Modi I will believe any thing

 

[Indus Falcon]

I am very pleased with this Modi trip. Yes, Pakistan is going to heart. It is going to hurt those foollish Pakistani's who have in their head this dream of ummah brotherhood and Arab fidelity. This should shake thier ground and make them face reality. So I consider this as a good dose of "reality check" for many Pakistani.

On the practical level it will have zero differance. UAE already favours India in jobs, contracts etc. As regards investments UAE does it to make profit. When people "invest" they do it for their own benefit. They don't do you favour. They put money hoping to make more money. It is not charity or grant.

So in the real world UAE will continue to India's biggest source of funds. UAE will continue to be best place for Indians to get jobs.

So I frankly see no problem with "hurt" other than where it was needed to bring about bit of introspection.

Please provide evidence of your accusation, Sorry I forgot you are a TTA, you can make whatever baseless accusations you want! Second, you being a self confessed Iranian Lover, don't expect you to be unbiased!

Most importantly, since you seem to be an expert on everything, please you tell me the ratio, the number of people would be asking for too much, of Pakistani vs Indian Commissioned Officers, who serve in the Armed Forces as well as the security apparatus?

Thanks!

 

[syedali73]

Please provide evidence of your accusation, Sorry I forgot you are a TTA, you can make whatever baseless accusations you want! Second, you being a self confessed Iranian Lover, don't expect you to be unbiased!

Most importantly, since you seem to be an expert on everything, please you tell me the ratio, the number of people would be asking for too much, of Pakistani vs Indian Commissioned Officers, who serve in the Armed Forces as well as the security apparatus?

Thanks!

I may be wrong but Indians are generally preferred over Pakistanis for the toe licking they do, Pakistanis cant. I have seen even full Professors acting like beggars and no doubt, they reap benefit from this beggar-like attitude. We Pakistanis just cant sink down to that level.

 

[SrNair]

And do you know the amount of money the USA demanded in return for all of the costs of deployment and operations? It went into the billions. War isn't cheap, and neither are the Gulf Arabs willing to pay "enough money" to the West today. Those times were different as now the USA has refused to do the Arabs bidding against Iran. EVEN Israel couldn't convice America to go against Iran, then what makes you think Arabs could with all of their wealth?

Thus, Pakistan remains indispensable to the Arabs.


Yes, you're right, but at most Pakistan will lose its remittances. However, the GCC regimes will collapse like a house of cards with no one left to protect them. So they do need us more than we need them.

So you're telling me that india will take the role of USA as Arab regime's protector? I don't think so because then that would mean antagonizing Iran.

And Arabs can pay that .Billions are not that a big deal for GCC that have a tonnes of gold and sovereign fund.
USA will do anything for them if they pay that money.And they will do that no matter what.An unstable GCC would be a big trouble to entire world .
If they Pakistan shows reluctance they will hire best security from other parts of the world because they have money.

No ,No not only remittances but also aid that you got from GCC.GCC regimes protection is necessity of world because they are sitting on world largest oil reserves.


Neither India has any intention nor we have that much resources like that of US to protect GCC .But we will use our diplomatic influence .After all those 7 million are our citizens,.

 

[Desert Fox]

And Arabs can pay that .Billions are not that a big deal for GCC that have a tonnes of gold and sovereign fund.
USA will do anything for them if they pay that money.And they will do that no matter what.An unstable GCC would be a big trouble to entire world .
If they Pakistan shows reluctance they will hire best security from other parts of the world because they have money.

Its not a question of they can, its a question of they will. If israel (America number one ally), with all of its resources and influence could not get America to maintain its harsh stance against Iran, what makes you think Arabs can? It will take quite a lot of money from Arabs to get America back on its previous stance against Iran. So far Arabs haven't taken the initiative which leads me to believe they are not willing to pay the money, even if they can.

No ,No not only remittances but also aid that you got from GCC.GCC regimes protection is necessity of world because they are sitting on world largest oil reserves.

Pakistan can survive without their aid and remittances. We're not the ones experience the revolutions, the Arabs are. If we withdraw, who will do the dirty work of suppressing popular uprisings in the GCC as Pakistan did in Bahrain? India? America? Like i said, GCC regime's existence depends on Pakistani protection. We have Pakistani pilots and former intelligence officers in the UAE military. We have ex-Pakistani troops in the Bahrain Army and police forces. Without us they fall like a house of cards.

Neither India has any intention nor we have that much resources like that of US to protect GCC .But we will use our diplomatic influence .After all those 7 million are our citizens,.

Protecting your citizens and protecting the regimes themselves is two different things. I'm talking about regimes. India will not protect the GCC regimes unless it wants to say goodbye to Iran.

 

[Indus Falcon]

I may be wrong but Indians are generally preferred over Pakistanis for the toe licking they do, Pakistanis cant. I have seen even full Professors acting like beggars and no doubt, they reap benefit from this beggar-like attitude. We Pakistanis just cant sink down to that level.

Very good point !! Pakistanis would rather stay home then go abroad (or Europe, US but not GCC) for the reasons you mentioned and this is why they are respected (in the GCC) more than their Indian counterparts!. Why would a doctor who makes PKR200k p.m. or a qualified C.A. making PKR300k p.m, in Paksitan go abroad?

If you look at the demographics, you will be surprised to see the difference. Most Pakistani professionals don't prefer going abroad, where as in India it's the opposite. Look at the following UAE data:

Hopefully, this will make it clear what category of people come from where.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

I may be wrong but Indians are generally preferred over Pakistanis for the toe licking they do, Pakistanis cant. I have seen even full Professors acting like beggars and no doubt, they reap benefit from this beggar-like attitude. We Pakistanis just cant sink down to that level.

Some of your country men lack the qualifications to "sink down to that level"

Hence they prefer identifying themselves as Indians for better treatment.

'Pakistanis are posing as Indians to escape discrimination' - The Times of India

Very good point !! Pakistanis would rather stay home then go abroad (or Europe, US but not GCC) for the reasons you mentioned and this is why they are respected (in the GCC) more than their Indian counterparts!. Why would a doctor who makes PKR200k p.m. or a qualified C.A. making PKR300k p.m, in Paksitan go abroad?

If you look at the demographics, you will be surprised to see the difference. Most Pakistani professionals don't prefer going abroad, where as in India it's the opposite. Look at the following UAE data:

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Hopefully, this will make it clear what category of people come from where.

Your data interpretation skills complement your logical reasoning skills

How does that data divulge anything remotely on desire for going abroad, given the vast population difference between the two nations

Regarding desire of India or Pakistani to go abroad can summarized by the nation's net migration rate

2014 figures:
India = -0.05
Pakistan= -1.69


List of countries by net migration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You, yourself living in UAE are shining example of it