How India plans to convert Pak-Fa into FGFA

[GodToons]

Indian Navy the sole potential operator has told HAL-ADA to f*ck off.

I don't see what anything can be said about Naval Tejas.

It's a dead duck.

kindly read Naval chief presser verbatim not news headlines. He mentioned that MK1 was tech demonstrator. Navy is still funding MK2 Naval version and waiting for powerful engine. Do not lose hope, this govt is doing enough to get tech so that Tejas can fly.

 

[Anish1]

kindly read Naval chief presser verbatim not news headlines. He mentioned that MK1 was tech demonstrator. Navy is still funding MK2 Naval version and waiting for powerful engine. Do not lose hope, this govt is doing enough to get tech so that Tejas can fly.

This development will never emerge from the laboratories. Better to forget, move on and focus on reality.

Rafale M or F-18 SH or Sea Gripen?

Which one should replace the grounded Mig29K ?

 

[faithfulguy]

Not maybe but certainly as per Indian Navy the Tejas cannot fulfill the Indian Navy's requirements of a naval fighter jet.

And it's finished it's over.

Soon Indian Air Force will also cancel.

The damn flying object can't even fire its gun after 50+ years of development with free flowing funds.

You are speaking truth about Tejas as an Indian.

Wait, are you sure you are not Pakistani. Because only Pakistani can speak truth about Tejas.

 

[khanasifm]

 

[Anish1]

You are speaking truth about Tejas as an Indian.

Wait, are you sure you are not Pakistani. Because only Pakistani can speak truth about Tejas.

The Indian Navy has spoken the truth about Tejas are they also Pakistani ?

Indian Air Force refusing to induct it properly so are they also Pakistani ?

Tejas is the sole reason that IAF is in a mess today.

The Mig's were due to retire in 1990's but due to Tejas being "right around the corner" they were kept in service.

In 2001 the entire Mirage 2000 production line was supposed to come to India but due to Tejas's first flight it did not.

Tejas has single handed destroyed Indian Air Force.

Tejas is only of benefit in terms of employment of HAL engineers and technicians thereby reducing unemployed people in economy.

And is of benefit to enemies if it ever were CAP in wartime. An easy kill for the score

 

[satishkumarcsc]

The Indian Navy has spoken the truth about Tejas are they also Pakistani ?

Indian Air Force refusing to induct it properly so are they also Pakistani ?

Tejas is the sole reason that IAF is in a mess today.

The Mig's were due to retire in 1990's but due to Tejas being "right around the corner" they were kept in service.

In 2001 the entire Mirage 2000 production line was supposed to come to India but due to Tejas's first flight it did not.

Tejas has single handed destroyed Indian Air Force.

Tejas is only of benefit in terms of employment of HAL engineers and technicians thereby reducing unemployed people in economy.

And is of benefit to enemies if it ever were CAP in wartime. An easy kill for the score

Could be the other way round too. IAF would also be one of the reason for the killing of Tejas.

The ASQR was changed twice, once in circa 2003 and once in 2007. When you compare the TD1 to the LSP3(The IOC Standard) you can find the difference. It went from 5.5 ton aircraft to a 6.5 ton aircraft.

Once the Navy came onboard and asked for a engine with higher thrust for it to take off from the ski jump carriers the IAF joined in.

The Mirage 2000 production line was only offered to India. That was the time when we were just reeling back after an economic collapse.

Same way I wont blame only the IAF. The ADA are equally to blame. They designed an aircraft and did not take into consideration Ergonomics or the ease of manufacturing. Then when the airmen who perform base maintenance came they found it too difficult for access of many important component. So the entire redesign and shuffling of the components took place in 2013 along with a cockpit redesign.

The IAF wanted a Mirage 2000 in a Gnat. And the DRDO guys thought they could deliver it.

 

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http://idrw.org/how-india-plans-to-convert-pak-fa-into-fgfa/

After receiving Green light from Indian Air Force, Government of India and Russia are working on final contract for jointly developing the much-delayed fifth-generation fighter aircraft Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) based on T-50 Air-frame.

According to the Draft Contract, Russia will be handing over India nearly Three T-50 Prototypes in next three years which will be used to as Test-bed before FGFA aircraft based on Indian customisation will be developed.

This Prototype will also be used by Indian Air Force for flight evaluation of the aircraft and to also test strength and weakness of the aircraft by Special Test Pilot team which will be created to support this Project in India. Indian Team until now were only given aircraft demonstration in Russia and were very keen to evaluate them but now the majority of the evaluation will be carried out in India.

India already has dropped plans to develop a two-seater FGFA to keep the development cost down and has made plans to invest $6 Billion each by India and Russia to develop nearly 43 improvements over the T-50 in major areas to improve stealth, supercruise, advanced sensors, networking and combat avionics over current T-50 aircraft developed for Russian air force .

T-50’s radar cross section (RCS) stands at 0.1-0.5m which is significantly higher than the F-22 ( 0.0001 ) and the F-35 (0.0015) according to latest reports and India and Russia will work together to further improve radar cross section. Russians to keep the price low and to meet Russian air force requirements have done some compromise in the stealth element but FGFA will have a higher degree of stealth.

India already has rejected AL-41 engines and instead has opted for Izdeliye 30 which has been developed from scratch and features improved thrust characteristics, better fuel efficiency, fewer moving parts, and subsequently improved reliability and lower maintenance costs. Russians initially will be using AL-41 engines equipped but will later move to Izdeliye 30 Engines but Indian varaint will have some performance improvement.

Avionics of FGFA will be based on Indo-European origin and will repetition of the successful Sukhoi-30MKI experiment which has worked fine for India till now. N036 Belka advanced active electronically scanned array radar system in FGFA will receive some tweaks with an addition of Indian and European weapons and sensor systems and will be more open to get future Indian weapons as Plug and Play mode.

Whatsoever....simply, wow and nice.

 

[Kinetic]

It was not possible for India to buy an aircraft named PAK-xx

Why not? Everyone is not as extremist like you, they deal with brain.

 

[Anish1]

Could be the other way round too. IAF would also be one of the reason for the killing of Tejas.

The ASQR was changed twice, once in circa 2003 and once in 2007. When you compare the TD1 to the LSP3(The IOC Standard) you can find the difference. It went from 5.5 ton aircraft to a 6.5 ton aircraft.

Once the Navy came onboard and asked for a engine with higher thrust for it to take off from the ski jump carriers the IAF joined in.

The Mirage 2000 production line was only offered to India. That was the time when we were just reeling back after an economic collapse.

Same way I wont blame only the IAF. The ADA are equally to blame. They designed an aircraft and did not take into consideration Ergonomics or the ease of manufacturing. Then when the airmen who perform base maintenance came they found it too difficult for access of many important component. So the entire redesign and shuffling of the components took place in 2013 along with a cockpit redesign.

The IAF wanted a Mirage 2000 in a Gnat. And the DRDO guys thought they could deliver it.

1. IAF changes and adapts as per evolving threat matrix.

2. IAF has been supporting the project in whatever way it can since half a century.

3. Dassault designed the Tejas, not ADA.

4. What economic crisis in 2000-2003 ?

5. ADA changed it around and screwed it up.

6. Cockpit was redesigned as helmet was hitting canopy thereby endangering pilot life. Matters to IAF not HAL/ADA mafia.

7. IAF wanted a Mig 21 replacement. HAL/ADA produced an aircraft which the Mig 21 should replace.

 

[faithfulguy]

1. IAF changes and adapts as per evolving threat matrix.

2. IAF has been supporting the project in whatever way it can since half a century.

3. Dassault designed the Tejas, not ADA.

4. What economic crisis in 2000-2003 ?

5. ADA changed it around and screwed it up.

6. Cockpit was redesigned as helmet was hitting canopy thereby endangering pilot life. Matters to IAF not HAL/ADA mafia.

7. IAF wanted a Mig 21 replacement. HAL/ADA produced an aircraft which the Mig 21 should replace.

The Indian Navy has spoken the truth about Tejas are they also Pakistani ?

Indian Air Force refusing to induct it properly so are they also Pakistani ?

Tejas is the sole reason that IAF is in a mess today.

The Mig's were due to retire in 1990's but due to Tejas being "right around the corner" they were kept in service.

In 2001 the entire Mirage 2000 production line was supposed to come to India but due to Tejas's first flight it did not.

Tejas has single handed destroyed Indian Air Force.

Tejas is only of benefit in terms of employment of HAL engineers and technicians thereby reducing unemployed people in economy.

And is of benefit to enemies if it ever were CAP in wartime. An easy kill for the score

I was confused you for a Pakistani as most Indians believe that Tejas is a successful program instead of a disaster like how you put it.

 

[Anish1]

I was confused you for a Pakistani as most Indians believe that Tejas is a successful program instead of a disaster like how you put it.

Most deluded retarded Indian online forumers whose opinion counts for shit falsely believe the junk 50 year old Tejas is a "successful program" but the Indian Navy and Indian Air Force have junked the garbage and told ADA-HAL to FU*K OFF.

How is junk Tejas successful? Failed sole objective to replace Mig fleet in 90's.
Cannot even fire its gun in the air. Has zero air to air capability. An attack helicopter can shoot down an entire Tejas squadron without breaking a sweat. Get real.

Rafale is in as Medium.

Now Gripen/F-16 will come as light.

 

[帅的一匹]

Just re-paint it.

Most deluded retarded Indian online forumers whose opinion counts for shit falsely believe the junk 50 year old Tejas is a "successful program" but the Indian Navy and Indian Air Force have junked the garbage and told ADA-HAL to FU*K OFF.

How is junk Tejas successful? Failed sole objective to replace Mig fleet in 90's.
Cannot even fire its gun in the air. Has zero air to air capability. An attack helicopter can shoot down an entire Tejas squadron without breaking a sweat. Get real.

Rafale is in as Medium.

Now Gripen/F-16 will come as light.

Tejas is the light of the Supa Powa.

Could be the other way round too. IAF would also be one of the reason for the killing of Tejas.

The ASQR was changed twice, once in circa 2003 and once in 2007. When you compare the TD1 to the LSP3(The IOC Standard) you can find the difference. It went from 5.5 ton aircraft to a 6.5 ton aircraft.

Once the Navy came onboard and asked for a engine with higher thrust for it to take off from the ski jump carriers the IAF joined in.

The Mirage 2000 production line was only offered to India. That was the time when we were just reeling back after an economic collapse.

Same way I wont blame only the IAF. The ADA are equally to blame. They designed an aircraft and did not take into consideration Ergonomics or the ease of manufacturing. Then when the airmen who perform base maintenance came they found it too difficult for access of many important component. So the entire redesign and shuffling of the components took place in 2013 along with a cockpit redesign.

The IAF wanted a Mirage 2000 in a Gnat. And the DRDO guys thought they could deliver it.

IAF is not stupid, they just artificially set up the obstacle for Tejas to be inducted.

 

[Taygibay]

3. Dassault designed the Tejas, not ADA.

Not quite! Dassault provided initial design and systems integration
for the project in 1987, things that ADA couldn't do then, for 100m$.

For that price, their engineers worked mostly on the planform and wings.
The rest was for trials of integration so that the systems interact correctly.

That explains why a Tejas resembles an M-2000 but only from afar since
even a cursory glance will spot very un-Dassault like things as LevCons.

Since that time, DRDO modified a lot of things came from abroad : FBW
from LockMart, GE engines, ELTA radar and so on. Still, for 100millions$
you get a review of definition and an advisory role, not an aircraft.

Check the development budgets for Rafale, Typhoon or better yet the F35!
100 millions is fractions of a percentage point, mate!
Heck, check how much it cost India to turn a vanilla SU-30 into an MKI !

Tejas is Indian which I understand can hurt considering your views on it
which I partially share.

Sorry and have a good day nonetheless, Tay.

 

[Grevion]

Most deluded retarded Indian online forumers whose opinion counts for shit falsely believe the junk 50 year old Tejas is a "successful program" but the Indian Navy and Indian Air Force have junked the garbage and told ADA-HAL to FU*K OFF.

How is junk Tejas successful? Failed sole objective to replace Mig fleet in 90's.
Cannot even fire its gun in the air. Has zero air to air capability. An attack helicopter can shoot down an entire Tejas squadron without breaking a sweat. Get real.

Rafale is in as Medium.

Now Gripen/F-16 will come as light.

Is that so?? Then why IAF is going to induct 83 of them in mk1a standard?

 

[Anish1]

Is that so?? Then why IAF is going to induct 83 of them in mk1a standard?

The MoD keeps making plans.

IAF ordered 40 Mk1's like a decade ago yet to be delivered to us.

Mk1A not even developed.
Mk1 FOC delayed to Mid 2018.

These new supposed 83 Mk1A's are for journalistic purposes more than anything else