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How Has Bangladesh Left Pakistan Behind in Per Capita Income?

@RiazHaq, @Joe Shearer

Brofessor sahib,

Yeh kya hua, kaise hua? It seems just the other day (2007 if I recall) that you walked into our humble abode on chowk.com and gave us Hindoos a bloody nose. You could produce at the drop of a hat a whole range of indices- from A to Z- where Pakistan could be seen to be beating India (let alone puny BD) hollow. And now doing tu tu main main with BD....

Time to remind CO of Brigade 111 of his patriotic duty?

Regards
 
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"In terms of LSM growth, a number of sectors that are showing strong performance; (for example, fast moving consumer goods (FMCG) sector; plastic products; buses and trucks; and even textiles), are either under reported, or not even covered. The omission of such important sectors from official data coverage, probably explains the apparent disconnect between overall economic activity in the country and the hard numbers in LSM." State Bank of Pakistan Annual Report 2014Economists have long argued that Pakistan's official GDP figures significantly understate real economic activity in terms of both production and consumption.



M. Ali Kemal and Ahmed Waqar Qasim, economists at Pakistan Institute of Development Economics (PIDE), explored several published different approaches forsizing Pakistan's underground economyand settled on a combination of PSLM (Pakistan Social and Living Standards Measurement) consumption data and mis-invoicing of exports and imports to conclude that the country's "informal economy was 91% of the formal economy in 2007-08".

And now the State Bank of Pakistan has focused on the production side of the economy in its annual report for Fiscal Year 2014. The nation's central bankers have singled out the economic activity in large scale manufacturing sector as their focus in the latest report. They say that the existing LSM (Large Scale Manufacturing) index was based on Census of Manufacturing Industries (CMI) that was conducted in 2006 which included only those sectors which had significant value addition to Gross Domestic Product (GDP) at the time of census.

In the years since 2006 CMI (Census of Manufacturing Industries) census, Pakistan has seen a significant expansion of its middle class along with rapidly growing consumer demand in sectors such as processed foods and fast-moving-consumer goods (FMCG). It's one of several major new sectors whose growth is not reflected in the official GDP figures.



Pakistan's Processed Foods and FMCG Sector Source: BMA Capital


According to a report by analysts at Pakistan's Topline Securities that examined 25 consumer firms in various sectors, the 2012 sales of the FMCG firms increased by 17% to Rs. 334 billion while profits grew by 40% to Rs. 24 billion. In the five years between 2008 and 2012, sales of these companies showed a compounded average growth rate (CAGR) of 18%, while profits grew at a CAGR of 20%.


Engro Foods, a star performer in the sector, reported 191% increase in profit in 2012 alone, led by the dairy and beverages segment. Other players such as Nestle, Proctor & Gamble and Unilever, have also seen explosive growth with many new plants in production to meet demand. The growth in this sector is not reflected in the LSM component of GDP.

Another key area in large-scale manufacturing is plastics industry. Pakistan Plastic Manufacturing Association says there are 6,000 units operating in the country, employing 600,000 people. This sector is producing a broad range of products from household items, industrial containers, medical and surgical items, auto parts, stationery items and PVC pipes. Yet they are not covered in LSM.

The SBP report further explained that the LSM data was not being reported in Pakistan in accordance with the International Standard Industrial Classification (ISIC) of United Nations Statistics Division’s defined 22 broad categories of manufacturing. The reporting of LSM is limited to only 15 sectors identified by the ISIC while data pertaining to manufactures of apparels, publishing, printing products and recorded media, fabricated metal products (except machinery and equipment), office and accounting machinery and computers, medical precision and optical instruments and recycling of metal and non-metal waste scrap, is not included as part of Pakistan’s LSM.

Pakistan has changed a lot since 2006 in terms of economy and demographics. The World Bank moved Pakistan from a low-income to middle-income country in 2007. Pakistan is much more urbanized and more middle class now than it was in 2006. Pakistan's large scale manufacturing (LSM) sector has changed to respond to meet the rising new product demands of the country's growing middle class consumers. Its time for Pakistan Bureau of Statistics (PBS) to conduct a new manufacturing census and Pakistan Census Bureau to do a population census to paint a more accurate picture of the country's demographics and economy now.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2015/01/state-bank-pakistans-actual-gdp-higher.html

On account of all of this, do you know when Pakistan starts using a more recent base year? It seems almost criminal for it not to and I don't understand why it has not done so for so long now. Population census was a good step, but its high time for better base year too. It can be instrumental in attracting foreign investment and also help debt-load numbers etc.
 
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On account of all of this, do you know when Pakistan starts using a more recent base year? It seems almost criminal for it not to and I don't understand why it has not done so for so long now. Population census was a good step, but its high time for better base year too. It can be instrumental in attracting foreign investment and also help debt-load numbers etc.

Not anytime soon. Finance Minister Ishaq Dar is preoccupied with defending himself against corruption charges in courts right now.
 
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Quit that. It was only last week that a thread was deleted discussing the connection between P.A. failures and TTP's rise. Waddling in illusion may be emotionally satisfying but you're not helping yourself actually solve problems that way.
sure thing sir
by the way Did Mentis tell Indians to stop helping TTP?
but then again how can he risk that . Indians would say .
look whose talking. one who conducts airstrikes on Assad forces whenever they are about to destroy Daesh and provides support to their re branded clones.
continue doing the same mistake like the bast decade and expect a different result , now that is an epic fail

Simple logic. You have more people to generate wealth.
theya re doing good nonetheless and so should any other country that is not marred by terrorism and a civil war in the neighboring country.
 
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Still in illusion territory. Eyes up and get out of the mud, soldier.
Sir Yes Sir
by the way I must appreciate CIA efforts in building up Afghan poppy economy . Northern Alliance lords are much pleased.
there is money in the pocket and there is no risk of Afghan cotton being grown instead and competing with Jesus Loving, God fearing American farmer.
Ye Ha
 
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In other words, nothing bad is ever a Pakistani's fault if it can be asserted America is to blame.
you misunderstood sir.
I am blaming ourselves for Daesh reaching Afghanistan. I mean had we behaved then Daesh would have dealt with Assad and would have been beheading Ayatullahs in Tehran by now but damn this Putin.. I mean Pakistanis (both start with a letter P.. hmmm interesting. )

btw . the thread is about celebrating Bangladesh.
 
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It will probably as soon as Pakistan uses a more up to date base year.
BD is planning a base year too. We're still using 2005-6 base year. When it is moved to 2015-16 you'll see per capita incomes making a jump too. Considering that BD's nominal per capita according to latest IMF reports have increased to 90% of India's and India is using 11-12 base year BD's nominal GDP might actually get very close or even ahead of India's.

BD per capita is not ahead . Has been said time and time again.
This time it probably is. According to IMF's latest findings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

I give it at most 5 years, before the positions switch again.
No. It won't. BD's growing much faster than Pakistan. If you subtract Pakistan's population growth from GDP growth you will see that Pakistan is growing very slow in terms of per capita.
The difference is only going to increase in 5 years. 10 years ago Pakistan's nominal per capita was twice as much of BD's. Now BD has edged ahead in last 10 years. And BD is going to grow even faster in the next 10 years according to every estimates. So you're not catching up. Not anytime soon.

how is bd an LDC country if it's per capita income is more than pakistan's.
BD is an LDC because being an LDC is good for BD. It helps our exports also helps to get low interest loans. Although BD's scheduled to graduate from LDC status in 2021. While the LDC facilities will remain till 2024. The plan is to build the much necessary infrastructures by this time with easy loans.

Bcz they dont have Zardari who did 94 billion dollar corruption .. and the shareef
We have Haseena, Khaleda and Ershad. Your guys aren't beating them in corruption.
 
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BD is planning a base year too. We're still using 2005-6 base year. When it is moved to 2015-16 you'll see per capita incomes making a jump too. Considering that BD's nominal per capita according to latest IMF reports have increased to 90% of India's and India is using 11-12 base year BD's nominal GDP might actually get very close or even ahead of India's.


This time it probably is. According to IMF's latest findings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita


No. It won't. BD's growing much faster than Pakistan. If you subtract Pakistan's population growth from GDP growth you will see that Pakistan is growing very slow in terms of per capita.
The difference is only going to increase in 5 years. 10 years ago Pakistan's nominal per capita was twice as much of BD's. Now BD has edged ahead in last 10 years. And BD is going to grow even faster in the next 10 years according to every estimates. So you're not catching up. Not anytime soon.


BD is an LDC because being an LDC is good for BD. It helps our exports also helps to get low interest loans. Although BD's scheduled to graduate from LDC status in 2021. While the LDC facilities will remain till 2024. The plan is to build the much necessary infrastructures by this time with easy loans.


We have Haseena, Khaleda and Ershad. Your guys aren't beating them in corruption.

Sure because Wikipedia is such an authentic source . Name me one authentic IMF , world bank source where BD is shown to be ahead ? IMF 2016 had Pakistan near $1500 and BD at $1360ish . 2017 figures for Pakistan hasnt been released yet . Meanwhile world bank and others have BD trailing as usual .
 
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Sure because Wikipedia is such an authentic source . Name me one authentic IMF , world bank source where BD is shown to be ahead ? IMF 2016 had Pakistan near $1500 and BD at $1360ish . 2017 figures for Pakistan hasnt been released yet . Meanwhile world bank and others have BD trailing as usual .
Economist reported that.
https://www.economist.com/news/asia...t-bangladeshs-gdp-person-now-higher-pakistans

Even your own media reported that.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1512636/east-overtakes-west/

The figures in the wiki page matches what's written in the article and in wiki page it states it as IMF figure.
 
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Economist reported that.
https://www.economist.com/news/asia...t-bangladeshs-gdp-person-now-higher-pakistans

Even your own media reported that.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1512636/east-overtakes-west/

The figures in the wiki page matches what's written in the article and in wiki page it states it as IMF figure.


Wiki is not a source . Its not regarded as a source anywhere . Pakistan's GDP per capita is somewhere around $1650-1700 . Last available figure for IMF is 2016 . As usual you are calculating figures of 2017 for BD and comparing them with 2016 for Pakistan . If world bank or IMF hasnt reported it it hasnt happened . Our media took it from economist .

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD

World bank figures for 2016

Pakistan 1468
BD 1358

http://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

2017 figures for Pakistan are not available at all so I don't get these thread openings by Bengali posters . If we calculate by 2016 then BD is behind in IMF , world bank and CIA findings .
 
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Wiki is not a source . Its not regarded as a source anywhere .
I did not say wiki is the source.
Pakistan's GDP per capita is somewhere around $1650-1700 .
You wish.


Now do some math. Pakistan's GDP is 305 billion. And Population is 207 million. Yielding a GDP per capita of 1470 USD.

BD's GDP is 260 billion population 170 million results a GDP per capita of 1538 USD.

I'm not sure what's your problem with this.
 
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I did not say wiki is the source.

You wish.


Now do some math. Pakistan's GDP is 305 billion. And Population is 207 million. Yielding a GDP per capita of 1470 USD.

BD's GDP is 260 billion population 170 million results a GDP per capita of 1538 USD.

I'm not sure what's your problem with this.

I gave you IMF and world bank sources . If you donot have any source than this is redundant . Or maybe you should wait for them to update Pakistan's per capita before you start your pre mature ecelebrations again like always .

https://www.google.com/amp/www.brecorder.com/2017/05/25/350500/per-capita-income-rises-to-1629/amp/

$1629 for 2017

If i were you I would wait for IMF or world bank to update before claiming anything .
 
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