How FREE are CHINESE?

[beijingwalker]

Half of the time he's basically saying "I feel freer in China because the cost of living is lower than Canada's, and I don't have to think when I spend". Well duh, that's call purchasing power. I feel like a rich man too when I travel around ASEAN where the cost of living is lower than Singapore's.

He then comes to the conclusion that I quote "It's a freer society just for the fact that people don't have to worry about the finances". Lol.

He also talks how safe China is and how good public transportation, which is super infrastructure and high tech make people's life freer and so called "freedom" in north American and believes it's a sham.

So that Chinese without basic rights may feel that they are free.

It all depends what freedom people are talking about. India's freedom is definitely not what China wants, you can asked around the Chinese people if you don't believe.

 

[gambit]

He also talks how safe China is and how good public transportation, which is super infrastructure and high tech make people's life freer and so called "freedom" in north American and believes it's a sham.

Making your life easier does not equate to freedom. If you are in prison, your life is definitely easy. You have shelter from the elements and 3 meals a day. Not much to worry about. Now, if you are in maximum security, then your life is most easy because you have no people to harass you at all. Does that sounds like a good life to you?

Material comforts have nothing to do with freedom, at least of the abstract kind like 'freedom of speech' that you have been conditioned by the Party to hate. The problem with your argument is that without freedoms in the abstract that are acknowledged and protected, you are vulnerable to any whim by the government. I do not care that my American city have inferior public transportation than your China. I only care what the US government has to say about those abstractions outlined in the US Constitution. The guy in your video? Perfect example of someone who loves to live in a golden cage.

 

[beijingwalker]

Making your life easier does not equate to freedom. If you are in prison, your life is definitely easy. You have shelter from the elements and 3 meals a day. Not much to worry about. Now, if you are in maximum security, then your life is most easy because you have no people to harass you at all. Does that sounds like a good life to you?
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Speak of prison, do you know which country is the home for the world largest inmate population?

 

[gambit]

Speak of prison, do you know which country is the home for the world largest inmate population?

Yes, China -- the intellectual prison of over 1 bil people. Why do you think your leadership sent their children to US for edukashion?

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes, China -- the intellectual prison of over 1 bil people. Why do you think your leadership sent their children to US for edukashion?

haha, say 10 billion next time.

 

[FedererExpress]

Yes, China -- the intellectual prison of over 1 bil people

Brilliant answer

 

[damm1t]

never get mad at a troll, one never knows what heaven looks like when he live in a shithole .

Lol'led so hard I had to fart loud

 

[IndianGuy_]

@beijingwalker a genuine question, It could be true that what's said about Chinese government by the west may be blown out of proportion.

But how free are people really to comment on government policies (specifically negative), how free are they if they want to take a stand on touchy issues like Hong Kong, Taiwan. Can people (specifically those with power to sway opinions of common folks) openly question the government, if so has there been any such instance?

 

[beijingwalker]

@beijingwalker a genuine question, It could be true that what's said about Chinese government by the west may be blown out of proportion.

But how free are people really to comment on government policies (specifically negative), how free are they if they want to take a stand on touchy issues like Hong Kong, Taiwan. Can people (specifically those with power to sway opinions of common folks) openly question the government, if so has there been any such instance?

Honestly, you can talk whatever you like about the Chinese government or the Chinese leaders, but you won't make any impact in the Chinese politics and neither the Chinese government nor the leaders care about what you say. Some celebrities mocked CPC and Mao in public, they left their government jobs but all landed much better paying jobs in private companies cause they were already household celebrities.

 

[Realtalk108]

@beijingwalker a genuine question, It could be true that what's said about Chinese government by the west may be blown out of proportion.

But how free are people really to comment on government policies (specifically negative), how free are they if they want to take a stand on touchy issues like Hong Kong, Taiwan. Can people (specifically those with power to sway opinions of common folks) openly question the government, if so has there been any such instance?

CPC hires polling agencies (Pew, Gallup etc) who survey public opinions about different topics and submit the results to the government. They also track what people are saying in various online forums to gauge public opinion.

You can say pretty much anything (except inciting violence, promoting drugs or religious bigotry etc) but Chinese government won't really care unless you try to organize people on the street.

 

[gambit]

haha, say 10 billion next time.

If you had to VPN-ed your way out of China and into this forum, what does that say about China as an intellectual prison?

 

[beijingwalker]

If you had to VPN-ed your way out of China and into this forum, what does that say about China as an intellectual prison?

PDF was not blocked until recently when Xinjiang issue became blown out of control here. 99% global sites are not blocked in China, China only blocked porno, radical and extremist sites stirring trouble and disturbance around the world, China blocked some major US sites and social media platform which are regularly used against China, they all have a shameful track record of inciting riots, communal violence and even civil wars in different parts of the world, those platforms are filled with lies and hate messages and now some other countries are following China to ban them, if they don't change this wicked behavior, they will see more bans from more countries.

 

[gambit]

PDF was not blocked until recently when Xinjiang issue became blown out of control here. 99% global sites are not blocked in China, China only blocked ****, radical and extremist sites stirring trouble and disturbance around the world, China blocked some major US sites and social media platform which are regularly used against China, they all have a shameful track record of inciting riots, communal violence and even civil wars in different parts of the world, those platforms are filled with lies and hate messages and now so other countries are following China to ban them, if they don't change this wicked behavior, they will see more bans from more countries.

You are still avoiding the real question: Is someone in prison free?

Many argued that choices can be just as much limiting as no choice at all. The limits are in the mind as the person is sucked into a classic case of 'paralysis via analysis'. So is that why China ban multi party politics, books and arts, and the like? That must be for the common good that every Chinese is of one mind. The Vietnamese communists have the perfect word to describe each other: đồng chí

Most translation have it as 'comrades', but the literal and contextually correct translation is: same mind.

So I guess you and that idiot in that video is correct: China is indeed more free than we thought.

 

[beijingwalker]

You are still avoiding the real question: Is someone in prison free?

Speaking of people in prison, I guess US has better answers.

 

[gambit]

Speaking of people in prison, I guess US has better answers.

No, China has the best answer: Freedom. Those in prison have no worries that most people have. Am just going by your standards, buddy.