How do indian muslims see pakistan.

[ghameed]

Ps . Another thing I forgot to mention in my previous post . The "Abdul Kalam " factor . Whether he knew it or not ,I am not sure , but he played a big role in unifying the dominant religions in India . The whole nation mourned his passing away ,regardless of religious affiliation, because of his passion as an Indian ,his idea of a great India and a great future for it . He was the people's president .

An average Muslim was proud that an nndian Muslim could rise from a family of fishermen to the highest levels of achievement, And an average Hindi or a christian would adore him and be possessive about him as he was one of the most patriotic Indians to live over thr last 30 years and he gave them direction for success. Even the most hard-core rss hindu national will be up in arms if a foreigner or even a fellow Indian hindu criticises him .

 

[NirmalKrish]

Well there is good news for these goons direct from our ARMY Chief - their free run will come to an end.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...my-chief-bipin-rawat/articleshow/57168531.cms

"We would now request the local population that people who have picked up arms, and they are the local boys, if they want to continue with the acts of terrorism displaying flags of ISIS and Pakistan, then we will treat them as anti-national elements and go helter-skelter for them."

Here is an anther example of how a typical India Muslim feels towards not Pakistan, but to his motherland INDIA. Which in turn will reflect his feelings towards Pakistan.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...y-an-army-jawan-shahid/videoshow/57183040.cms

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Well there is good news for these goons direct from our ARMY Chief - their free run will come to an end.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...my-chief-bipin-rawat/articleshow/57168531.cms

"We would now request the local population that people who have picked up arms, and they are the local boys, if they want to continue with the acts of terrorism displaying flags of ISIS and Pakistan, then we will treat them as anti-national elements and go helter-skelter for them."

Here is an anther example of how a typical India Muslim feels towards not Pakistan, but to his motherland INDIA. Which in turn will reflect his feelings towards Pakistan.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...y-an-army-jawan-shahid/videoshow/57183040.cms

your army have already filled mass graves. What else is left in the arsenal except nuking kashmir.

 

[NirmalKrish]

your army have already filled mass graves. What else is left in the arsenal except nuking kashmir.

that is a conspiracy theory, too much speculation and not enough substance. There are no mass graves, what is this Syria?

 

[Imad.Khan]

The point is that none of Indian Muslims support Pakistan position on Kashmir tells a lot about their opinion on Pakistan.

Well that doesn't exactly reflect opinion of Pakistan, that reflects their opinion on the Kashmir issue. I am sure there are many Indians that like Pakistan but don't support Pakistan's Kashmir policy.

There are many Muslims in India that don't like BJP and RSS, that doesn't mean they hate India. In fact they love India as much as any Indian do.

There are many Muslims of India that are happy that they didn't migrated to Pakistan at the time of Partition. Pakistan doesn't enjoy much popularity with Indian Muslims.

That i agree with.

 

[HAIDER]

This has been revolving in my head for some time now, articles from the indian side will obviously be biased and so will the pakistani ones so may be there are a few members here who can enlighten us to the existing ground reality. India has the second largest muslim population in the world second only to indonesia but what do the indian muslims see pakistan as, do they see us as an enemy state threatening thier country and does religion takes precidence in thier thought process and they see us as brothers for a similar cause...

For better and progressive life among Hindu majority , its better for Indian Muslim not to discuss Pakistan . Even if Indian Hindu comment anything bad about Pakistan, better stay silent or just say yes. Because they are oppressed being Muslims already.
Plus they are in India ,so better faithful with India.

 

[mqur1963]

well the one who scarify came to Pakistan are very closed to Arabs Muslims and Indians are in complex when they meet Pakistani Muslims. and truth heart and in India news is all about bad Muslim Kashmiris and Pakistani Hindu propaganda proxy against Pakistan Indian Hindus have never excepted Pakistan and they see modi as a messiah and there is only one messiah and that is PROPHET EISA (JESUS)

 

[ghameed]

For better and progressive life among Hindu majority , its better for Indian Muslim not to discuss Pakistan . Even if Indian Hindu comment anything bad about Pakistan, better stay silent or just say yes. Because they are oppressed being Muslims already.

Well the pakistanis would like that very much..some kind of weird religious fraternity that transcends borders and is based on a United ummah and a closeted love that indian muslims have for pakistan alas if only such a thing were true .!! nothing can be more false about indian muslims than such a portrayal.there are very very few Indians ,probably only the oldie olds and folks in Kashmir who can relate to anything that is Pakistan. Kashmkr i agree ,the gocernemnt xreated a blinder by not integrating kashmir with india at a faster pace .9 out of ten (maybe a greater percentage than that ) Indian Muslims fight for their version of India and the betterment of their selves and the nation and the welfare of the muslims in india .

I am not sure where you are getting your facts about Muslim oppression in India . I see this a lot on this forum, such blatant wishful thinking by Pakistanis on the topic of indian muslims and consequent portrayal of themselves(pakistanis) as some kind of saviour torch bearers of Islam waiting to rid India of tyranny against Indian Muslims . Such things are not based on reality and delusional at best .the fact is that Muslims demand for their rights in India and they are protected by thr constitution if they dont .

well the one who scarify came to Pakistan are very closed to Arabs Muslims and Indians are in complex when they meet Pakistani Muslims. and truth heart and in India news is all about bad Muslim Kashmiris and Pakistani Hindu propaganda proxy against Pakistan Indian Hindus have never excepted Pakistan and they see modi as a messiah and there is only one messiah and that is PROPHET EISA (JESUS)

Such "complexes " are not based on facts and are only concocted by foreigners who know nothing of India or its citizens

Alright i am going to humoir your statement about modi and your comparison to the prophet .Modi is considered as great only by right wingers . Any rational human being would know that it would take much more than that to lift India out of poverty and to greatness .among Hindus themselves,there is a dichotomy wrt modi ..i dont lnow of you know this but at least half of India still consider modi to be a person who fails to keep promises and is a failed leader . Such things are common in a democracy ...and they need not reflect on whether the person is good or bad . They are mostly issue based or policy based. All the antagonism aside ,(I myself personally hate modi ) i feel that modi is the only strong leader at the moment (andhon me kaana raja).to represent India at an international stage.

 

[ZenBird]

Of course even many Indian do not have any good opinion with their fellow Indian itself..Forget about Pakistan...Does that mean, Indian as a nation do not stand by each other. It seems like you have some issue with us.

Nope don't call me a terrorist or other names or insult my religion and I don't have an issue with anybody. I have plenty of Hindu friends.

 

[HAIDER]

Well the pakistanis would like that very much..some kind of weird religious fraternity that transcends borders and is based on a United ummah and a closeted love that indian muslims have for pakistan alas if only such a thing were true .!! nothing can be more false about indian muslims than such a portrayal.there are very very few Indians ,probably only the oldie olds and folks in Kashmir who can relate to anything that is Pakistan. Kashmkr i agree ,the gocernemnt xreated a blinder by not integrating kashmir with india at a faster pace .9 out of ten (maybe a greater percentage than that ) Indian Muslims fight for their version of India and the betterment of their selves and the nation and the welfare of the muslims in india .

I am not sure where you are getting your facts about Muslim oppression in India . I see this a lot on this forum, such blatant wishful thinking by Pakistanis on the topic of indian muslims and consequent portrayal of themselves(pakistanis) as some kind of saviour torch bearers of Islam waiting to rid India of tyranny against Indian Muslims . Such things are not based on reality and delusional at best .the fact is that Muslims demand for their rights in India and they are protected by thr constitution if they dont .

Yes, a secular constitution guarantee , but ground reality is different ...isn't it. If you read Manmohan Singh report, where Muslim condition addressed worst then Dalits.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

When Indian Muslim can EAT beef , biryani without being killed , then may be I will consider they are some what in position to give opinion. If they can't eat a god damn Biryani , opiniating about Pakistan will make their own biryani

Just looking at Om Puri Murder by their Poitical goons it is a very extremist society

They are bit on the lower caste side in india

I call it the "Freedom Test", if they can't eat according to their religious approved diet then they are generally not free

The Indian democracy scam unfolds quite rapidly once you start examining its core , pretty certain the Muslims in India also must face work place discrimination

> There is already evidence of problem being able to get homes in Hindu neighbourhoods, which is a strategy used by BJP to create pockets of dominant Hindu pockets to win key election areas


As for the point about them and their views on Pakistan , well they generally are threatened quite a bit with violence for even watching Pakistani cricket team, so I doubt any folks can openly confess to their real feelings


However as we know it is common when given a chance they do say Yes to marrying in Pakistan etc

Certainly a beautiful couple

Again not to politicize Mr Shoaib Bhai's marrige really not polite to say anything negative on two role model people in society, and really I am wrong to bring such wonderful folks into my post for sake of argument

However Indian Muslims are really in a very very tough situation
due to Extremism in India and other Terrorist elements in their own society

I am sure an indian Muslims will fear even posting on PDF becasue RAW agents might track his IP down and pick up up for questioning for his ties to PDF and posting anti India comments

I don't recall I have ever seen any Indian Muslim on PDF forum who has openly claimed he is Muslim on PDF forum

 

[ZenBird]

lol The picture that Indians are painting of the country is not accurate at all. Everybody hates people of other religions, most people are selfish. Somebody mentioned Hindu dying for Muslim, forget that people don't care for their parents. All the castes hate each other too. Pretty much every state has some caste or religious agitation. These people are trying to pull wool over Pakistani eyes brothers, just read and laugh. Bewkoof samjha hai kya.

 

[Kaniska]

Nope don't call me a terrorist or other names or insult my religion and I don't have an issue with anybody. I have plenty of Hindu friends.

Hello mate...when did i call you in a insulting way...I just mentioned you might have issue with Indian people...Anyway, no hard feeling.

 

[ZenBird]

Hello mate...when did i call you in a insulting way...I just mentioned you might have issue with Indian people...Anyway, no hard feeling.

I didn't accuse you personally buddy, last time I mentioned I am an NRI Sikh and Sikhs have been treated unfairly, Indians here started calling me Khalistani terrorist. I have no problwm with Indians, Pakistanis or any nationality. Im just here to talk and learn hopefully.

 

[Kaniska]

Ps . Another thing I forgot to mention in my previous post . The "Abdul Kalam " factor . Whether he knew it or not ,I am not sure , but he played a big role in unifying the dominant religions in India . The whole nation mourned his passing away ,regardless of religious affiliation, because of his passion as an Indian ,his idea of a great India and a great future for it . He was the people's president .

An average Muslim was proud that an nndian Muslim could rise from a family of fishermen to the highest levels of achievement, And an average Hindi or a christian would adore him and be possessive about him as he was one of the most patriotic Indians to live over thr last 30 years and he gave them direction for success. Even the most hard-core rss hindu national will be up in arms if a foreigner or even a fellow Indian hindu criticises him .

Mr Kalam was president by BJP only...This shows the amount of respect for love for Muslims who adore the Indianess to their way of life...

For better and progressive life among Hindu majority , its better for Indian Muslim not to discuss Pakistan . Even if Indian Hindu comment anything bad about Pakistan, better stay silent or just say yes. Because they are oppressed being Muslims already.
Plus they are in India ,so better faithful with India.

Your statement is another insult to Indian Muslims...Why would they just remain if they assume that something said about Pakistan is incorrect....India is as much as their country like mine like RSS loyal Hindu Indian...They do not have to simply say yes just because they have to appease some one else.