How did the Hindu rulers become so powerful in the 15th century in India?

[KingMamba]

Regarding medieval history I value the same scholars that you do. More than less. If you go ahead and read the court chronicles and the equivalents of after action reports of those days, the picture will be clear. They converted and were proud of it. I don't blame them much - it was their way and we were weak. There are practically no Hindutva scholar I can think of corresponding to that timeline. If you know about some, please let me know - will give them a try.

It is typical that you have a skewed understanding of Hindutva in the first place, but I am gonna let that go.

I am talking about modern scholars who study all the works and write about the topic. It would take a simple google search to show you conversion by the sword in South Asia is purported by Hindu scholars who no doubt appeal to you.

Read the work of Sir Thomas Arnold if you want a more neutral view, his work is on Islam globally but his chapter on South Asia is most enlightening and yes he talks about forced conversions as well.

 

[Secret Service]

again some useless discussion ...

 

[sovcomflot]

Lol now you are just getting desperate, no wahabbis with sharia zones running around here. Even in England they are a minority, a psycho minority but a minority none the less. Yes most people who leave Islam tend to become agnostic, why not Hindu instead? There are a few agnostic Pakistanis on this forum as well, I know for a fact they know about Hinduism but they rather be agnostic. Just accept that its not for everyone, it will save you heart burn.

Council of ex Muslims is strongest ironically in England itself.

did you even read my previous post history defending islam in debates. I left Islam myself. Yes,wahabbis are pretty strong in UK . And there are islamic no go zones in several european countries. Don't get me to talk in a manner that will get me banned. Though I do consider at times returning to hinduism ,but due to increasing loss of morals in India ,I don't consider it. Though I do think of Buddhism or Russian orthodox church .Especially ,because Russia is trying to restore traditional value system which is being destroyed in India by western corporates . In west ,no morals,no values.

 

[Pakistani E]

Come on yaar, you know as well as I do that 'all' can never be possibly converted. It is statistically impossible. The initiation was forceful, usually happening in stages. Anybody saying all were converted as if by a switch is...trolling.

Lol. Yes I should have seen them as the trolls they are.

But the idea of conversion in stages is perhaps more believable. But even then, the fact that the sub continent was flooded by thousands of Sufi saints, and the fact that many people in Pakistan in rural areas usually attend the shrine of a local sufi saint in part due to their reverence for the deceased efforts in converting their ancestors to Islam. If you ever have the pleasure of coming to Pakistan, I suggest you take a detour through South Punjab and rural Sindh, one of the reasons why the Peers still hold so much relevance in politics/life today is because of their Sufi ancestors.

Isn't the fact that a lot of Pakistanis specifically hold these Sufis in high regard evidence enough that the reason these people became muslim was more down to preaching and not violent coercion ?

 

[KingMamba]

did you even read my previous post history defending islam in debates. I left Islam myself. Yes,wahabbis are pretty strong in UK . And there are islamic no go zones in several european countries. Don't get me to talk in a manner that will get me banned. Though I do consider at times returning to hinduism ,but due to increasing loss of morals in India ,I don't consider it. Though I do think of Buddhism or Russian orthodox church .Especially ,because Russia is trying to restore traditional value system which is being destroyed in India by western corporates . In west ,no morals,no values.

I remember your previous posts and can tell you were never a Muslim, there is actually an Indian who is an exMuslim on this site but he is Christian now. Anyway do whatever you want but save my from your bs stories.

I remember you most for sucking up to Russians though, you even used to sport a Russian flag.

 

[sovcomflot]

I remember your previous posts and can tell you were never a Muslim, there is actually an Indian who is an exMuslim on this site but he is Christian now. Anyway do whatever you want but save my from your bs stories.

I remember you most for sucking up to Russians though, you even used to sport a Russian flag.

@SarthakGanguly @naveen mishra .

I use to sport the indonesian and indian flag.Indonesian for my mother's ancestry and Indian for my father. I am a dyed in the wool communist. Before I use to think Islam and socialism are compatible. But now that view is no more.

Second, many communist indians and even left wing/centre nationalist indians love Russia . No big deal.

 

[Pakistani E]

define supernatural !

The inability of the human mind to understand the existence of a force using the current understood laws of nature. Just because something doesn't fit in to our current thought, doesn't mean it does not exist.

 

[Velociraptor]

The inability of the human mind to understand the existence of a force using the current understood laws of nature. Just because something doesn't fit in to our current thought, doesn't mean it does not exist.

What force is this ? Can it move an object ? Can u ask that force to fetch my phone charger from the other room please ? I feel lazy and don't wanna get up from my bed

 

[Pakistani E]

did you even read my previous post history defending islam in debates. I left Islam myself. Yes,wahabbis are pretty strong in UK . And there are islamic no go zones in several european countries. Don't get me to talk in a manner that will get me banned. Though I do consider at times returning to hinduism ,but due to increasing loss of morals in India ,I don't consider it. Though I do think of Buddhism or Russian orthodox church .Especially ,because Russia is trying to restore traditional value system which is being destroyed in India by western corporates . In west ,no morals,no values.

These wahabi zones existed in one small part of east London. I blame the police and government for stopping these thugs. I also live in a mixed area, Muslims, Christians, Athiests, Sikhs all live here. The only part of town I, as a brown faced guy cannot go in to, is a 99% conservative, white area. The same area where a Pakistani taxi driver was lured and ambushed, I knew that old man, he was a decent hard working man, his skin and religion got him killed. You don't see that on the national news though.

See? I have stories too. Just as unverifiable as yours.

 

[B+ Dracula]

3 things -
First the sultanate never included the rajas into the administration like the mughals and thus they constantly kept probing for weakness to assert their own authority.Once central power weakened they exploited it..its administration was much weaker.
Second,iqta system becoming hereditary. under firuz shah tughlaq.massive administrative blunder..power centres grew up in all regions..almost like feudalism.
More importantly....the mailed lancer superseding the horse archer in the sultanate armies..the original military victories were won by horse archers..by the late sultanate era..having settled down..more emphasis was laid upon armoured lancers..especially afghan sultans didn't use horse archers much.Indian forces were always capable in close combat...the horse archer threat tehre was no good counter to.Thats why late sultanate armies lost several battles badly.Also timur and babaur humiliated them with horse archers.

Good Taste of HISTORY...I Admire
Muslims ruled complete India for few years when MUGHALS are at their ZENITH (Orangzaib Era)

Muslims ruled full india or NOT....i think its useless to talk, We Muslims are not in Inferiorty Complex type of Dilemma...
I urge Pakistanis to stop emphasizing that point to satisfy our Egos........We've our prints from India to European Spain
....
CHEENO ARAB HAMARA......HINDUSTAN HAMARA....
RAHNY KO GHAR NAHI HAY.....SARA JAHA HAMARA....

 

[KingMamba]

@SarthakGanguly @naveen mishra .

I use to sport the indonesian and indian flag.Indonesian for my mother's ancestry and Indian for my father. I am a dyed in the wool communist. Before I use to think Islam and socialism are compatible. But now that view is no more.

Second, many communist indians and even left wing/centre nationalist indians love Russia . No big deal.

What does you being a commie have to do with anything we are discussing here? Besides the Islamic system is a form of socialism but if you are a communist then it is different from socialist. First you have to decide what you actually want, if you think communism = socialism then you have the concepts twisted in your mind. While Islam is compatible with socialism it is incompatible with communism.

Now if you want open a thread and I will explain to you the differences between socialism and communism.

 

[Pakistani E]

What force is this ? Can it move an object ? Can u ask that force to fetch my phone charger from the other room please ? I feel lazy and don't wanna get up from my bed

Come back with something more substantial. You need to learn how to engage in a debate.

@SarthakGanguly @naveen mishra .

I use to sport the indonesian and indian flag.Indonesian for my mother's ancestry and Indian for my father. I am a dyed in the wool communist. Before I use to think Islam and socialism are compatible. But now that view is no more.

Second, many communist indians and even left wing/centre nationalist indians love Russia . No big deal.

Lol. You hate Islam because it is apparently full of hate and violence, yet you sit here and claim yourself a die hard communist. Oh the irony.

 

[Velociraptor]

Come back with something more substantial. You need to learn how to engage in a debate.

Don't get into an argument about god when you don't have the gumption to walk the talk. You throwing around word like supernatural etc is just a smokescreen and you don't know zilch about it. You are just parroting what your parents wanted you to say.

 

[sovcomflot]

What does you being a commie have to do with anything we are discussing here? Besides the Islamic system is a form of socialism but if you are a communist then it is different from socialist. First you have to decide what you actually want, if you think communism = socialism then you have the concepts twisted in your mind. While Islam is compatible with socialism it is incompatible with communism.

Now if you want open a thread and I will explain to you the differences between socialism and communism.

Islam and socialism .Not compatible.I will be simple as that. If the prophet's own actions or caliphate's actions were viewed ,they were pure imperialist and of capitalist.

 

[KingMamba]

Islam and socialism .Not compatible.I will be simple as that. If the prophet's own actions or caliphate's actions were viewed ,they were pure imperialist and of capitalist.

That is your own imagination, no scholar would call the early Islamic state capitalist. Like I said you do not know what is socialism and communism. You said you became a communist because Islam is incompatible with socialism LOL, try to make sense kid.