how did china build its infrastructure ?

[StingRoy]

One more thing we have to understand is that Corruption also plays great part here.

You are right... no dish is ready without a dash of corruption, but I guess these factors are present in China as well (albeit to a lower extent I assume). Mostly political and govt clearances are major hindrance to getting a project from concept to ground breaking.

 

[StingRoy]

No way around it, I guess. Politicians will always see votes as more important than regional development. The best you can hope for is as you say, expediting the processing of such cases and maybe set resolution deadlines for such complaints like the US or UK does.

That is a good suggestion, but the fact of the matter is that the legal system is heavily back logged. There haven't been much judicial reforms in India to expedite cases, hence the courts take their time. But these days I am starting to see some of the cases being decided out of court by paying more compensation to the individual (for smaller scale projects only) and most are happy with an out-of-court settlement.

I will give you an example of my experience couple of years back when I bought an apartment in a suburb. After 6 months into ground breaking someone put a case against the builders. In a normal course of action, the case could take upto 3-5 years to resolve. Hence the builders just decided to pay more compensation to the guy who was claiming his land and moved on.

Small scale projects where individuals are involved are more easy to solve, but when govt and political parties are involved it is upto a purely political battle... sometimes I wish India had a 2 party democracy... things would be much smoother and efficient.

 

[oct605032048]

Probably because it is SEZ?
How was its rate compared to Shenzhen?

Guangdong has always been the leader of the development since the gaigekaifang, take Shenzhen for example, it was a fishing village 30 years ago but a city with 12 million people with gdp per capita $10K. The real secret of China's success of the past 30 years lies more in the villages and towns in Guangdong more than in the skyscrapers of Shanghai.

The 100 million province contributes to one third of China's trade, almost 3 times the amount of India. You can tell from the Asian Games as well. Guangdong, if take it as a country, earned 20 gold medals within 3 days, even more than Japan and Skorea did.

 

[GodlessBastard]

China was able to develop infrastructure at a faster rate than India because the CCP is not restrained by environmental issues, vote bank politics, labor laws, etc. Add the corruption of our babus into the mix and it's not a big surprise why India's infrastructure is lagging.

This is the price that we pay for democracy and freedom.

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

I know a lot of infra projects in India are stuck because of environmental problems. The Mumbai Airport, a couple of dams, Kashmir railways etc. all have environmental issues. Has China developed unique ways to deal with such issues that we could learn from?

 

[GodlessBastard]

Has China developed unique ways to deal with such issues that we could learn from?

Yes, it is called a one-party oligarchic dictatorship.

Personally, I would prefer India not adopting this method, even if it means having better infrastructure.

 

[CardSharp]

China was able to develop infrastructure at a faster rate than India because the CCP is not restrained by environmental issues, vote bank politics, labor laws, etc. Add the corruption of our babus into the mix and it's not a big surprise why India's infrastructure is lagging.

This is the price that we pay for democracy and freedom.

Easy price when you're not the one paying.

 

[GodlessBastard]

Easy price when you're not the one paying.

Sorry, I don't get your point...?

Every Indian pays the price of having poor infrastructure every day. Try traveling in a car through a typical Indian state and you'll see the horrid state of the roads...

 

[CardSharp]

Sorry, I don't get your point...?

Every Indian pays the price of having poor infrastructure every day. Try traveling in a car through a typical Indian state and you'll see the horrid state of the roads...

I'll argue though that poorer Indian bear a disproportionate part of the burden.

 

[Ganguly]

Time for India to invite Chinese Infrastructure companies to build Indian infrastruction. Win Win situation for both the nations. We can leverage the experience of the Chinese companies, China can make some $$ from it.

 

[GodlessBastard]

I'll argue though that poorer Indian bear a disproportionate part of the burden.

Yes, that is true. However, these same people are also the most involved in India's democratic process. On election day, it is the poor and disadvantaged who congregate en masse to vote, while the rich and upper-middle class sit at home.

Btw I don't live in India atm, so no I don't pay any of the burden.

 

[Guest]

Taxes are a common way to raise money to operate the govt., I don't see how charging house tax takes away my ownership of it.

do you pay tax for an apple, a chair or many other things after you brought and owned it?"common way to raise money to operate the govt"? maybe common in your country, not mine. At least in China, we don't pay tax for keeping what belongs to us, not even a house.

i am a non-citizen and I own two properties (which were previously owned by Fannie Mae, it is a US govt. entity)

maybe I mdke a mistake here, I just remember that Chinese are also welcome to brought US properties. But can you sell them to the Indian or Chinese gov ??? NO, because they always belong to US, they have the final say.

In short, when you compare apples with land you "own", you know exactly what the differences are.

 

[Guest]

Yes, that is true. However, these same people are also the most involved in India's democratic process. On election day, it is the poor and disadvantaged who congregate en masse to vote, while the rich and upper-middle class sit at home.

Btw I don't live in India atm, so no I don't pay any of the burden.

And why the upper-middle class sit at home?

 

[GodlessBastard]

And why the upper-middle class sit at home?

The same reason why half of Americans don't vote.

 

[Guest]

The same reason why half of Americans don't vote.

so why half of Americans don't vote?