How dare they attack Pakistan

[Zowais]

Say 10000 times that Taliban was a mistake I'll repeat a million times that they were the best thing among plathora of options

Remember after dying in Vietnam war with Vietnamese - shortly afterwards Chinese invaded Vietnam to keep them in check
That did not make Chinese support to VCP wrong- And they'd repeat it again in a heartbeat
It's geopolitics not black and white zero sum games
Crux of it - communists we're supported by China because they'll never become pro US, Islamists are supported because they'll never be friendly with either India or Iran
This is the fundamental rationale, it's solid but like everything you need to perfect it, work on it

Unfortunately it'll (Tali support) be one of those retarted opinions like that of we shouldn't have been involved with soviet's and should have let it be
I don't care for these opinions as they're dumb and lack honest insight in my humble opinion

On- topic
Dude FC paramilitary can fight them "fighting" is not the issue here, it never was

So a wrong question thus a wrong thread

1- mostly agreed. People assuming defeat of imperials and ousting of anti Pakistan setup from Afghanistan useless, either have limited understanding or, are part of some propaganda campaign.

2- with regime changed in Pakistan by Western establishment, the castle has been taken from within, regardless, if the flags are not changed. While the sons of soil still fighting enemies at wall, untill and unless, hostage situation in the power centers is not resolved, and indeginous people not take over, there can't be clear identification of friends and foes, within and beyond the walls.

3- People assuming use of military power ALONE to be solution.of terrorism in the region, are either too naïve or simply dishonest. Use of brutal military power (without political measures) would only enhance extremism, and thus terrorism.

4- Afghanistan has been a free for all space for decades. Consistent war has left no other economy than that of war, no means of livelihood for the people, other than war/terrorism. Only way to counter terrorism in the region is to;
a- deny access to the region to all those parties who have no interest in regional peace (they have always acted as peace spoilers)
b- develop some means of income to the locals so that they can get alternative to being recruited for terrorism.
(This exactly was the approach of indigenous government in Pakistan ( though description above is a bit simplified) before it was ousted by foreign initiated regime change).

5- Now that Pakistan has been taken over by the legacy of british era slavery association and their contemporary counterparts, the US worshipers, chances are we are going back to the violence levels of mid 2000s. So expect alot of propaganda in favour of another war on terror (or whatever they name it this time). Anyone standing up for peace and connectivity in the region and development of means of ensuring common interest in the region, which is longterm but ultimate solution to terrorism, would be painted as traitor by this foreign regime and their propaganda machinery, as that serves their foreign masters. Expect lot of jingoism, "inko eleminate kar do", "inko ki generations khattam kar do" and similar narrative, as if US war machine lacked some capacity to do that while their 20 years stay. And the worst part would be the useless loss of life , both civilian and the combatants, only to more catalyse war.

 

[AlKardai]

We shall fight till the last drop of their own blood

 

[Dalit]

Do you people hate me for staying neutral on this occasion? Your moderate COAS has let the devil in and now the attacks are increasing on a daily basis. Is this a coincidence?

still situation is better then afghanistan puppet govt
we are no longer under international pressure and can sort things ourself, conduct airstrikes if we want to in afgahnistan all of which would have been impossible
dont know what you are hinting at ?

LOL what world are you living in? These TTP scum are attacking Pakistan at will on a somewhat daily basis. This is now so predictable.

1- mostly agreed. People assuming defeat of imperials and ousting of anti Pakistan setup from Afghanistan useless, either have limited understanding or, are part of some propaganda campaign.

2- with regime changed in Pakistan by Western establishment, the castle has been taken from within, regardless, if the flags are not changed. While the sons of soil still fighting enemies at wall, untill and unless, hostage situation in the power centers is not resolved, and indeginous people not take over, there can't be clear identification of friends and foes, within and beyond the walls.

3- People assuming use of military power ALONE to be solution.of terrorism in the region, are either too naïve or simply dishonest. Use of brutal military power (without political measures) would only enhance extremism, and thus terrorism.

4- Afghanistan has been a free for all space for decades. Consistent war has left no other economy than that of war, no means of livelihood for the people, other than war/terrorism. Only way to counter terrorism in the region is to;
a- deny access to the region to all those parties who have no interest in regional peace (they have always acted as peace spoilers)
b- develop some means of income to the locals so that they can get alternative to being recruited for terrorism.
(This exactly was the approach of indigenous government in Pakistan ( though description above is a bit simplified) before it was ousted by foreign initiated regime change).

5- Now that Pakistan has been taken over by the legacy of british era slavery association and their contemporary counterparts, the US worshipers, chances are we are going back to the violence levels of mid 2000s. So expect alot of propaganda in favour of another war on terror (or whatever they name it this time). Anyone standing up for peace and connectivity in the region and development of means of ensuring common interest in the region, which is longterm but ultimate solution to terrorism, would be painted as traitor by this foreign regime and their propaganda machinery, as that serves their foreign masters. Expect lot of jingoism, "inko eleminate kar do", "inko ki generations khattam kar do" and similar narrative, as if US war machine lacked some capacity to do that while their 20 years stay. And the worst part would be the useless loss of life , both civilian and the combatants, only to more catalyse war.

You got that spot on. These might not be the full-fledged terror attacks Pakistan used to witness during the height of WoT in certain regions. These are attacks meant to poke and taunt the frontline soldier whilst the moderate COAS sips tea.

 

[Salman Baig]

Add third option "I will remain neutral/apolitical".

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Indian terrorists? Are you serious? They are result of our wrong policies. Good terrorist, bad terrorist etc. Talibans remained loyal to Pakistan just to grab Afghanistan and Pakistan gifted Afghanistan to Talibans.now Talibans showing their true color. They aren't loyal to anyone. They are like animals. Only solution is to drop atomic weapons. Annihilate Afghanistan.

Why do you even post when you have nothing positive to share... IEA has no control over many of it's own people..and they are facing attacks from within.. as well as political pressures to get themselves recognized else partition. While one group wants partition other group wants them to "erase" durand line.. with domestic political and economic problems as big , ttp has become their lesser concern...pakistani strikes were done with IEA on board. ..IEA post strike comments were for their own internal consumption.

 

[hussain0216]

Well I can't but admire the eternal short-sightedness of Pakistani leadership. However what I am amused is about PDF's machismo during Taliban takeover as if that was some masterstroke played by Pakistan.

Destroying the kabuli regime and 2 decades of Indian plotting planning and investment was a masterstroke

This is the predictable fallout, which will need to be dealt with

But strategic victory over afghans and India was massive

The same with China on the LAC

 

[Arsalan345]

Why do you even post when you have nothing positive to share... IEA has no control over many of it's own people..and they are facing attacks from within.. as well as political pressures to get themselves recognized else partition. While one group wants partition other group wants them to "erase" durand line.. with domestic political and economic problems as big , ttp has become their lesser concern...pakistani strikes were done with IEA on board. ..IEA post strike comments were for their own internal consumption.

Where are you living? IEA, together with TTP, retaliated with artillery. There are pictures on social media showing Taliban jeeps and cars carrying people to fight with their so-called brothers, TTP. You can live in denial, but the truth is pretty much visible. Our Taliban experiment has failed miserably. Why aren't the Taliban trying to invade areas held by TTP? I think Americans have already left, right?

Atomize the Taliban but not the Afghans because there are rational people there too.

I have no sympathy for Afghans. We gave them everything. In return, they killed our soldiers and burned our flag. I would love to nuke Kabul. I have no sympathy and whoever created this Taliban mess should be punished.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Where are you living? IEA, together with TTP, retaliated with artillery. There are pictures on social media showing Taliban jeeps and cars carrying people to fight with their so-called brothers, TTP. You can live in denial, but the truth is pretty much visible. Our Taliban experiment has failed miserably. Why aren't the Taliban trying to invade areas held by TTP? I think Americans have already left, right?

I don't need you tell me where I'm living esp. considering the history of your feedback filled with preemptive burst of passion. You want to fall for the propaganda..but here I'm going to feed you facts..Why hasnt your socalled ttp iea nexus silent on Ttp guys killed inside Pakistan. .. why hasnt iea requesting release of the TTP people caught by Pakistan.. they have disowned the ttp and those in their ranks(a marginal group) disobeying their higher command are ones they are in conflict with internally.

 

[Arsalan345]

I don't need you tell me where I'm living esp. considering the history of your feedback filled with preemptive burst of passion. You want to fall for the propaganda..but here I'm going to feed you facts..Why hasnt your socalled ttp iea nexus silent on Ttp guys killed inside Pakistan. .. why hasnt iea requesting release of the TTP people caught by Pakistan.. they have disowned the ttp and those in their ranks(a marginal group) disobeying their higher command are ones they are in conflict with internally.

where are you living means in stone age or what and not your physical location. Yes, they have disowned ttp that's why they are fighting alongside ttp. what a joke! Do you still believe good terrorists or bad terrorists? your Loyalty towards the Taliban is admirable but trust me, these same talibans are now a headache for our forces. we let them win and got artillery fires in return.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

where are you living means in stone age or what and not your physical location. Yes, they have disowned ttp that's why they are fighting alongside ttp. what a joke! Do you still believe good terrorists or bad terrorists? your Loyalty towards the Taliban is admirable but trust me, these same talibans are now a headache for our forces. we let them win and got artillery fires in return.

Lol...how about just stfu discussing about me and see throught the points I gave and debunk them instead.. perhaps u dont know IEA is not as unified as it used to be under mullah omar.its offshoots ruling the FATA border area do have soft corner for ttp.. that doesn't translate into their leaderships stance...(else we wouldnt have had a diplomatic setup with them) NDS still penetrates to a level in their bureaucracy and forces as they dont have a system of background checks.you cant bury the truth by calling out names..stay frustrated ...i dont care much what you think when our state knows what they need to do

 

[Cheepek]

A smol price to pay for "strategic depth".

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

For decades no enemy has dared to cross Pakistan's borders and attack us directly. How dare these Indian sponsored terrorists attack Pakistan. People of Pakistan are boiling in anger and most want to do something about it. Would you offer your services to fight this enemy?

Whether through the Armed Forces or otherwise - my question to everyone is:

What exactly are you fighting to defend?

Ayub, Yahya, Zia, Musharraf and now Bajwa - we have an institution that consistently grooms leadership that treats the constitution of Pakistan like toilet paper. Conspires, blackmails and manipulates elections, politicians & parties and governments to achieve its own ends while Pakistanis continue to suffer.

Pakistan gets one (admittedly flawed and definitely not perfect) honest and sincere Prime Minister in Imran Khan and he isn’t even allowed to complete his term and the Army leadership is working to completely sideline him and his party, whilst corrupt criminals in the PMLN & PPP have been given chance after chance and Establishment support for decades and are now in an alliance together to provide the Army leadership with a facade while they destroy Imran Khan and the PTI.

So, again, what are you fighting for? Continued corruption, inequality and lack of justice and rule of law for the elite, wealthy and powerful?

If/when the PTI is sidelined, whether through more defections, disqualification through ECP over trumped up charges or rigged elections - every Pakistani should know that their vote doesn’t count and is useless. The Army leadership basically decides who to bring to power and for how long. They prefer corrupt criminals because corrupt criminals have issues they can be blackmailed over and controlled through.

 

[Goenitz]

40 years of problem cannot be solved in one day. IEA hasn't declared Pakistan enemy nor TTP. Let them evolve, while we fight our own battle even in Afghanistan.

 

[khansaheeb]

Whether through the Armed Forces or otherwise - my question to everyone is:

What exactly are you fighting to defend?

Ayub, Yahya, Zia, Musharraf and now Bajwa - we have an institution that consistently grooms leadership that treats the constitution of Pakistan like toilet paper. Conspires, blackmails and manipulates elections, politicians & parties and governments to achieve its own ends while Pakistanis continue to suffer.

Pakistan gets one (admittedly flawed and definitely not perfect) honest and sincere Prime Minister in Imran Khan and he isn’t even allowed to complete his term and the Army leadership is working to completely sideline him and his party, whilst corrupt criminals in the PMLN & PPP have been given chance after chance and Establishment support for decades and are now in an alliance together to provide the Army leadership with a facade while they destroy Imran Khan and the PTI.

So, again, what are you fighting for? Continued corruption, inequality and lack of justice and rule of law for the elite, wealthy and powerful?

If/when the PTI is sidelined, whether through more defections, disqualification through ECP over trumped up charges or rigged elections - every Pakistani should know that their vote doesn’t count and is useless. The Army leadership basically decides who to bring to power and for how long. They prefer corrupt criminals because corrupt criminals have issues they can be blackmailed over and controlled through.

I don't blame PA -"Conspires, blackmails and manipulates elections, politicians & parties and governments to achieve its own end".

PA army has clear goals; unlike the politicians whose goal is to fill up Swiss accounts and acquire wealth by whatever the means and whatever the consequences. What the Indian army couldn't do on the battlefield they are using psych-ops to undermine the army and the fools are following the Indians like lambs to the abattoir.

 

[UK_PAKISTANI]

Indian terrorists? Are you serious? They are result of our wrong policies. Good terrorist, bad terrorist etc. Talibans remained loyal to Pakistan just to grab Afghanistan and Pakistan gifted Afghanistan to Talibans.now Talibans showing their true color. They aren't loyal to anyone. They are like animals. Only solution is to drop atomic weapons. Annihilate Afghanistan.

No one is Nuking Afghanistan, especially Pakistan, no one will annihilate Afghanistan.
It will never happen, It would tear Pakistan apart.