How Dalit, Shudra and Muslim unity can beat twice born Hindu oppressors in India

[BuddhaPalm]

Time for China to arm the alliance with nuclear weapons!

 

[ranjeet]

Time for China to arm the alliance with nuclear weapons!

 

[baajey]

sab saale politics c**da rahe hai.

 

[manojb]

op's article is from 2004 !!

Why get so touchy? Your goons in South Block (RAW HQ) do not leave our country alone, so you guys are fair game for us.

Besides Bangladesh is majority Dalit converts, so naturally we care about our oppressed Dalit/Shudra brothers in India.

jamatis needs to be controlled so RAW is doing great job

 

[SrNair]

Why get so touchy? Your goons in South Block (RAW HQ) do not leave our country alone, so you guys are fair game for us.

Besides Bangladesh is majority Dalit converts, so naturally we care about our oppressed Dalit/Shudra brothers in India.

Your suffered the consequences because you unwantedly played with
our national security by supporting
terrorists.Our people have some sense and culture.They are not like pole vaulters lungi brigade.
Low caste people in our area allow lungi brigades for manual labour and street cleaning because our have better opportunities from our govt.That is why your pole vaulters got some jobs in my state and others parts of India.
So you must thank GOI

 

[Indrani]

Shudra is on the bottom of caste system but dalits are outside of the whole thing so no they are not the same.

Dalits were basically tribals and forest dwellers or wanderers and hence they were free of any duties expected of a non-forest dweller, a permanent settler. That is all that is meant by outside or out of the varna system. There is no hard and fast rule that Dalits cannot become a part of the varna system either. Every community that came to India got absorbed into the varna system and formed their own castes, likewise when Dalits get absorbed by the society they too form their distinct caste and become part of the varna system again. Dalit is a modern term and not an historic appellation.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

 

[Prayas]

@scrumpy as a Budhist me too dont know until standard 11 as at that time in MH we need caste certificate for gov scholarship for neo budhist/dalits.
I studied in school were 70% student r from upper class and never met with any incident

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

In India even when they convert to other religions they call themselves Dalit so kind of pointless LOL. There are Dalit Muslims and Dalit Christians in India lol.

Pakistan’s caste system: The untouchable’s struggle – The Express Tribune

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetd...ecommendations_/708_keyrecommendations_en.pdf

 

[MilSpec]

Prospects of Dalit-Muslim alliance, The Milli Gazette, Vol.5 No.18, MG112(16-30 Sep 04)

Prospects of Dalit-Muslim alliance
By Syed Shahabuddin

Dalits have the sorrow of centuries etched into their faces. On the whole, despite 50 years of reservation in legislatures, public employment and education, often drummed up as reparation and compensation for centuries of treatment as a sub-human species, they still constitute the most backward section of the Indian people, socially, educationally and economically. They are nearly 25% in population but constitute 50-60% of the BPL (Below the Poverty Line) population; they have less than 10% share in public employment, perhaps less in private employment; they have a higher proportion in starvation deaths, in epidemic toll, illiteracy, in school drop-out. Generally they live in their own rural and urban ghettos, engage in their traditional professions, they are mostly marginal farmers and landless labour and are often denied tenancy rights and even minimum wages by the owners, by use of force.

Muslims are nearly as backward as the SC/ST's but they are also the target of Hindu chauvinist and fundamentalist forces. In their eyes, the Muslims are not only responsible for the division of the country and the creation of Pakistan but the real obstacle in the Hinduisation of India i.e. transformation of the secular state into a Hindu state. The strategy of Hindu Nationalism is Hindu consolidation i.e. formation of a political alliance of the Hindu high castes and the Shudras under the time-tested leadership of the Brahmins. However, by virtue of numbers, in a democratic system the SC and ST command political importance and there is a continuous tussle among political parties for their support.

Muslims are nearly as backward as the SC/ST's but they are also the target of Hindu chauvinist and fundamentalist forces. In their eyes, the Muslims are not only responsible for the division of the country and the creation of Pakistan but the real obstacle in the Hinduisation of India i.e. transformation of the secular state into a Hindu state. The strategy of Hindu Nationalism is Hindu consolidation i.e. formation of a political alliance of the Hindu high castes and the Shudras under the time-tested leadership of the Brahmins. Though the Achhuts and the Adivasis were for centuries treated as outside the pale of the Dharma, they are sought to be brought in because of the numerical power they possess. Political association, religious absorption or even educational and economic benefits do not mean social equality. So while 'pollution' which cannot be a factor in a modern urban setting, marriage of the Savarnas with the Panchmas and the Adivasis is still rare. However, Hindu Nationalists have succeeded, through welfare and educational attention, through ideological brainwashing and finally through economic support, in engaging their services as their foot soldiers. More often than not, in anti-Muslim riots, the Dalits are incited, armed and organized to attack Muslims.

Ambedkar has been pirated by Hindu Nationalists and included in its pantheon of Hindu heroes. While his writings and statements attacking Hinduism are ignored, his comments against Muslims are used to brainwash the Dalits. In many tribal areas, the penetration of Hindu upper castes and exploitation of Dalit labourers by them is ignored, while the tribal ire is directed against much fewer Muslim settlers, cultivators and shopkeepers. Polygamous marriages by Muslims with tribal women is represented as sexual exploitation and used to incite the tribal population.

There is no doubt that in urban areas, the few Dalits who live in Muslims areas enjoy peace and security. Yet there is no socialization between the two groups. In fact the Muslim society in general, which includes a large proportion of descendants of Panchma converts, particularly the well-placed Baradaris, look upon the SC's with contempt. This became evident during 1980 General Election when many Muslims who were against Indira Gandhi had reservation about her Janata Party rival Jagjivan Ram, only because he happened to be 'chamar' by caste!

Objectively speaking, there has always been a good case for Dalit-Muslim Alliance in terms of common suffering, common deprivation and common aspirations to secure equality and justice, except for brief spells on isolated occasions, no real alliance has ever crystallized. Sometimes, the Muslim leadership, often consisting of the so-called Ashraf, does not know which section of the Dalits to address, which common or separate grievances should go into the common agenda, and how to mobilize the two communities for the common cause of political empowerment, economic and social justice. Sometimes the Dalit leadership does not know which section of the Muslim religious leadership to approach or trust. Under the surface, there are misgivings and no common leadership has emerged.

With land reform and green revolution the Shudras have achieved an economic breakthrough. They constitute about 50% of the population. Some sections have made visible progress in education and found a veritable presence in professions. They are conscious of the discrimination and indignity they have suffered but their role model is the Kshtriya; they want to be accepted as equal members of the Chaturvarna; they are on the path of Sanskritisation. They are denied the sacred thread but they vie with the Savarnas in performance of rites and rituals, through Brahmin priests. After all, they do not challenge the religious supremacy of the Brahmins. In the long run, they want accommodation within the Brahminical system. Economically, also they find themselves competing with the Muslim intelligentsia for government jobs and in profession and their prosperity largely depends on the exploitation of the Dalit labour.

The up and coming brand Shudras have formed their parties, the Samajwadi Party/Rashtriya Janata Dal, representing the Yadavs, the Apna Dal and the JD(U) representing the Kurmis, the Rashtriya Lok Dal, representing the Jats and similar Shudra outfits, north of the Vindhya. Even south of the Vindhyas, there are parties which essentially represent the interests of some Shudra groups but they have a long history of revolt against Brahminism. Electorally, all these parties are anxious, like the Congress or the BJP, to secure the support of the Muslims and to snatch the so-called Muslim vote bank. The BJP has done its best to divide the Muslims and keep them from extending united support either to Congress or to its rivals and even tried to play the Muslim Card, but with little success.

Dalit and Muslims constitute the poorest and the most deprived sections of the Indian people. Their understanding is the first step towards establishment of a regime of social justice in India. The other religious minorities do not come in their category. The Sikhs and the Christians are largely happy with what they have, the Jains and the Parsis have the bedrock of affluence to lie on. Together the Dalits and the Muslims constitute 40% of the total population. Electorally together they could sweep a majority of seats in the Assemblies and in the Lok Sabha in the whole country. But first the miasma of misunderstanding and distrust needs to be dissipated. The Muslims must shed any contempt for the Dalits; the Muslims, as the relatively stronger section, should share their meagre resources with the Dalits, e.g. provide educational facilities for Dalit students in their institutions; Muslim cultivators and landowners should treat Dalit landless labour and share-croppers equitably and at least in accordance with the law; Muslim shop keepers should not double as moneylenders and economically exploit the Dalits; Muslims should abjure any organized effort to convert the Dalits to Islam; under any circumstances, even in retaliation, Muslims should not raise their hands against the Dalits living in their areas or attack Dalit clusters; Muslims should treat them with equality and respect in their tea stalls and catteries; Muslims should invite Dalit neighbours living in their tolas and mahallas on social occasions and break bread with them and accept their hospitality.

Above all, Muslim politicians should not look upon Dalits as their political fodder and vice versa. They should both support each other's legitimate interests and work out a system of mutual and reciprocal support, right from the Panchayat level to the Assembly and Lok Sabha. For example, the Muslim voters in reserved constituencies should support the Dalit candidates who command the affection of the Dalit masses, not those who are really banking on the support of the non-Dalit Hindus and of the high castes, as the candidates of big political parties generally do. Muslim and Dalit leadership should always extend support to the struggle of each other for security, equality and dignity, in accordance with the Constitution.

On the other hand, the Dalit leadership should not look upon Muslims merely as an ally in their struggle against the Brahminical order, but as a partner in the great, national task of reconstruction of the Indian Society on the basis of Democracy, Secularism and Social Justice. The Dalit leadership should take an unequivocal and consistent approach towards the forces of Hindu Revivalism and Chauvinism and of Hindu Nationalism - never shake hands with Hindutva parties, like the BJP or AIADMK or Shiv Sena. The Dalit leadership should counteract the pernicious influence of the Sangh Parivar among the tribals and ensure that the Dalits are not used as foot soldiers in a war against Muslims or Christians. The Dalit leadership, particularly among the Adivasis, should educate the masses to ensure that religion is correctly registered in the Census and they are not labelled as Hindus. They should stand squarely for suitable amendment to the Constitution (Scheduled Caste) Order, which detracts from the freedom of religion of the SC's, by repealing the criteria of profession of Hinduism.

The formulation of a National Strategy for Dalit-Muslim Unity demands both sincere effort at the grassroot level and political collaboration at the national and state levels. Political understanding and cooperation will emerge only through intellectual interaction at Workshops, Seminars, Symposiums, and Conferences. Dalit-Muslim Alliance will be born out of a nation-wide campaign by a joint leadership which will emerge, if the Muslim and Dalit MP's and MLA's of all parties and leaders of Muslim and Dalit social and cultural organizations come closer to each other and form a consensus not only on matters and developments of concern to them but on all national issues which in the final analysis affect all citizens and also retard or accelerate our movement, as a nation, towards the goals of Social Justice.

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[Indrani]

What the heck did you wrote it sounds like you jumped naked into a nalaa (an open-air-sewer) in your 6th standard while munching on Chicken, Beef, Mutton, Duck, Turkey & Pork before eating sea-food out of the nalaa ?

Actually that translation is not far from the truth. LOL. He is a dhongi Brahmin.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

All i can say is educate yourself, get a job and earn

In this era of Indian society ... money talks not caste !

 

[Indrani]

Same experience here. Though I am from a higher caste, I had no idea what 'caste' was until the time I had to apply for an Engineering seat. That was the first time I realised that people were discriminated based on caste. I spent all my childhood in Bombay/Mumbai and was never made aware of my own caste or I had any inkling about my friend's castes.

Ditto. Never knew what caste system was until I was about 22. Read about it only in history books.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Wow...talk about wishful thinking...& this one takes the biscuit.
Just goes to display the utter lack of knowledge by the author & his inability to understand the internal social dynamics within India.

They can't stop killing themselves (a la Iraq) but pretend to care about some of the truly less fortunate among Dharmics.

Also, this piece of art, goes on to show how some people desperately want the Hindus/Dharmic people to fight among themselves so that they could have a bigger say in the scheme of things in this part of the world. This intent alone, no matter how foolishly ill-informed, should really serve as a wake up call for all the Dharmics to end all the historic ill-practices involving caste-ism.

 

[kalu_miah]

The hatred for dalits is already for the all the world to see, when many Indian posters here make fun of dalit looks. Dalits need to follow the example of Ambedkar and Kanshi Ram and become Buddhists en mass:
Kanshi Ram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Announcement for conversion to Buddhism
In 2002, Kanshi Ram, announced his intention to convert to Buddhism on 14 October 2006, the fiftieth anniversary of Ambedkar's conversion. He intended for 20,000,000 of his supporters to convert at the same time. Part of the significance of this plan was that Ram's followers include not only Untouchables, but persons from a variety of castes, who could significantly broaden Buddhism's support. But, he died 9 October 2006.[2] Mayawati his successor said "Kanshi Ram and me had decided that we will convert and adopt Buddhism when we will get "absolute majority" at the Centre. We wanted to do this because we can make a difference to the religion by taking along with us millions of people. If we convert without power then only we two will be converting. But when you have power you can really create a stir," she said.[3]"