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How could India / Pak / B'Desh manufacturing labour compete with China's?

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Here's a heart rending story from China's Manufacturing Heartland:

1. Do we want this style of manufacturing come to the subcontinent?

2. If not, how to compete with China's manufacturing labour?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/b...s-for-workers-in-china.html?pagewanted=6&_r=1

(excerpts are given below; full article is available at the link above):

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Shifts ran 24 hours a day, and the factory was always bright. At any moment, there were thousands of workers standing on assembly lines or sitting in backless chairs, crouching next to large machinery, or jogging between loading bays. Some workers’ legs swelled so much they waddled. “It’s hard to stand all day,” said Zhao Sheng, a plant worker.

Banners on the walls warned the 120,000 employees: “Work hard on the job today or work hard to find a job tomorrow.” Apple’s supplier code of conduct dictates that, except in unusual circumstances, employees are not supposed to work more than 60 hours a week. But at Foxconn, some worked more, according to interviews, workers’ pay stubs and surveys by outside groups. Mr. Lai was soon spending 12 hours a day, six days a week inside the factory, according to his paychecks. Employees who arrived late were sometimes required to write confession letters and copy quotations. There were “continuous shifts,” when workers were told to work two stretches in a row, according to interviews.

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Employees work excessive overtime, in some cases seven days a week, and live in crowded dorms. Some say they stand so long that their legs swell until they can hardly walk. Under-age workers have helped build Apple’s products, and the company’s suppliers have improperly disposed of hazardous waste and falsified records, according to company reports and advocacy groups that, within China, are often considered reliable, independent monitors.

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Two hours into Mr. Lai’s second shift, the building started to shake, as if an earthquake was under way. There was a series of blasts, plant workers said.

Then the screams began.

When Mr. Lai’s colleagues ran outside, dark smoke was mixing with a light rain, according to cellphone videos. The toll would eventually count four dead, 18 injured.

At the hospital, Mr. Lai’s girlfriend saw that his skin was almost completely burned away. “I recognized him from his legs, otherwise I wouldn’t know who that person was,” she said.

Eventually, his family arrived. Over 90 percent of his body had been seared. “My mom ran away from the room at the first sight of him. I cried. Nobody could stand it,” his brother said. When his mother eventually returned, she tried to avoid touching her son, for fear that it would cause pain. “If I had known,” she said, “I would have grabbed his arm, I would have touched him.”

“He was very tough,” she said. “He held on for two days.”

After Mr. Lai died, Foxconn workers drove to Mr. Lai’s hometown and delivered a box of ashes. The company later wired a check for about $150,000.

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The Chinese claim that they're good in this and good at that! Well, if that be so, why don't they make an army of robots that can be employed 24X7 in all their manufacturing plants since the Chinese don't care much about labour welfare? It's the moolah that they care about!

But then the unemployment rate would sky rocket resulting in unrest and a Tianamen Square situation! So what's the way out? I don't see any unless the Chinese are prepared to curtail their mad scramble for higher and higher GDP figures! Which means squat to the poor labourer toiling away at those machines.

All that 'Chinese glitter' ain't gold after all! :tdown:
 
Still our government workers don't work properly,..
My uncle works for bsnl, he only work for 2-3 hours a day thats only by his presence...
ontopic : I think thats on of the way to get the cheap products with fast rate, otherwise china won't have come this much far..
 
while your last statement is true . thats never going to happen . not in India.:)
can you imagine a foreman telling a worker he has to do something without overtime? a union will be formed next day . we are free here yaar not like out northern neighbor.
 
Further excerpts:

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Employees said they had been ordered to use n-hexane to clean iPhone screens because it evaporated almost three times as fast as rubbing alcohol. Faster evaporation meant workers could clean more screens each minute.

Investigations by news organizations revealed that over a hundred employees had been injured by n-hexane, a toxic chemical that can cause nerve damage and paralysis.
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Obviously, we can't force anyone here to work with n-hexane.

But does that mean .... there is NIL chance that we could assemble iPhones. What to do, is the question??
 
When I see things like these, I start feeling that India is on the right way. We have GDP growth of more than 7% but we havent sacrificed our freedom for the sake of development. People in India have a voice. They can speak out for each other without fear. They can oppose anything they feel wrong about. And even after this, we are achieving a GDP growth of more than 7%. :) :)
I wouldnt be happy if we were to sacrifice our freedom to speak out and protect our fellow countrymen for that extra 3% growth of GDP. After all, GDP is not everything. :no:

I feel sorry for all those people going through these lawless labour practices.:sick:
 
There's no point currently, that is why India has effectively skipped an industrial revolution and gone straight into services and high-end manufacturing. Later when the demographic dividend comes into play, India can have a look at taking over from China in manufacturing in bulk.
 
India only have infrastructure as a major problem.

And 12th plan period WFC + EFC + DMIC + numeros highway/expressway + port projects like cochin, Vizhinjam Port + UMPP it will be solved.
 
There's no point currently, that is why India has effectively skipped an industrial revolution and gone straight into services and high-end manufacturing. Later when the demographic dividend comes into play, India can have a look at taking over from China in manufacturing in bulk.

But that means that we will have to continue importing -> cheap mobile phones, diwali lights, Holi "water bombs" (damn, they call them water bombs!) etc. etc. .... from China.

In that case, our only way out is to keep earning dollars from elsewhere (i.e. from US and Europe) ... and keep buying the services of "exploited labour" for quite a long time.

You see, even if Apple can force better labour standards (hence costlier products) .... the factories which make our Holi "water bombs" ... can have really horrible practices. Those factories could use any kind of risky manufacturing materials, labour practices etc. Such things being introduced into Indian factories is unimaginable, as of now.

And so we can expect .... cheap table fans, emergency lights, toys etc. etc. flowing into our country ... for a long long time.

Can we keep exporting to the rest of the world, to offset the flow of such goods from China?
 
I seriously think there should be a higher tariff for imports from China. Restriction of imports from China would lead to a spurt of Industries in India. Just like the 110% chicken tax on automobile imports
There are low cost mobile retailers in India like micromax. But most of their phones are cheap Chinese imports. Very little is manufactured in their facility in India. A tax on imports will increase the price of Chinese goods making them go for alternative ways, that is manufacturing in India
It is almost foolish for Indian manufacturers to export goods abroad after looking at what happened to Bajaj and the 'Gulsar' :D. Instead, in my opinion, we should be focusing on exporting processed food and medicare products to China. I think those will see a large market over there.
 
For India, Pak and Bang to compete with China.

These 3 firms need to speacilise in 3 different markets for example:

India- Services and Energy
Bangladesh- Manufacturing
Pakistan - Defence

etc etc
 
just a sweatshop factory and Indians believe that all Chinese manufacturing is like that,how naive,there are tons of sweatshops in US also,come to China and see how we work,you will learn East Asian efficiency.
 
now we know India can never catch up with China,they never try to find their own problems when falling behind others,they spent all their time finding excuses and others faults to try to cover their failure.that's good,keep it up.ha
 
It is almost unfathomable what is happening inside China. Things are censured heavily. We see a different China from outside - a growing economy and a powerful China.
 

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