How come Indians don't speak Sanskrit anymore :(?

[Bhairava]

On the other hand, it might drive a wedge between the north and the south. And I fear that fissure much more than any religious fissure. The two systems are alien to each other. If you impose Sanskrit on the Dravidian language system, either those will wither or Sanskrit will change so much in those states alone that it will no longer serve as a link.

I dont think so. The only people who might oppose it are the Tamils, for known reasons. And since I, am able to see the positives in that, I think many of my state men would also see the merits in that. The glory days of Brahmin hating (and by extension Sanskrit) are passe. I oppose and will oppose Hindi as the national language..but am quite okay with Sanskrit. There is no great unifier of people than language.

Moreover its only the lack of knowledge of sanskrit which makes the Indans dependent on the spurious western transalations for learning the scriptures. Once they are literate enough in that language they need not depend on them and can save many mis-communications, intended or otherwise.

 

[Bhairava]

so that means we would never have any national language

We can and we should.

I think Sanskrit and Tamil qualifies for that. But learning Sanskrit would be more politically acceptable to people from North and hence it can be a possible candidate.

Obviously he doesn't have a clue what he was talking about and wanted to demonstrate his loyalty to the Indic Civilisation, and so on.

What is wrong if a person is loyal to the Indic civilization ?

 

[Bhairava]

In fact, except for Tamil all other major south Indian language is more similar to Sanskrit than to tamil. So much for your ignorant argument.

Hmmm..again no. Malayalam as is spoken now branched out of old Tamil roughly 600-700 years ago and went through a partial sanskritization process.

But I agree to your point that Sanskrit holds greater importance to mallus than Tamil because a section of the scriptures are in sanskrit. I said a section because there are some mindblowing scriptures in Tamil too like Thervaram, thiruvasagam etc.

 

[Bhairava]

All sections of south India who goes to school learns Hindi. That is a fact. Tamil Nadu is the only exception, but then again they dint even teach english there. Its only now that parents have started insisting their kids learn English and Hindi along with tamil.

You ever been to Tamil Nadu ? I'm surprised at your lack of information.

 

[Android]

We can and we should.

I think Sanskrit and Tamil qualifies for that. But learning Sanskrit would be more politically acceptable to people from North and hence it can be a possible candidate.

other major factor is that sanskrit is sacred language of hinduism and so i think conservative hindu peoples of south india wont have much problem with it

We can and we should.

I think Sanskrit and Tamil qualifies for that. But learning Sanskrit would be more politically acceptable to people from North and hence it can be a possible candidate.

other major factor is that sanskrit is sacred language of hinduism and so i think conservative hindu peoples of south india wont have much problem with it

 

[Bhairava]

In TN you have a choice of either learning Hindi/Tamil/Sanskrit.

Thats somewhat correct.

The choice is actually Hindi/Tamil in the urban schools till 10th and only in 11th and 12th Sanskrit as a choice comes in.

So till tenth - Hindi/Tamil

11th and 12th - Tamil/Sanskrit/French. (No Hindi, atleast till what I ve seen)

other major factor is that sanskrit is sacred language of hinduism and so i think conservative hindu peoples of south india wont have much problem with it

Actually more than anything to do with Hinduism ( as we have already dozens and dozens of works, hymns etc in Tamil itself) its more to do with the link language and creating an unifying identity without stepping on anyone's toes.

But I'll also add one thing - this requires acceptance from the Tamil people and any governmental action for placating our concerns in Lanka will/can get that acceptance..

 

[zaxcollix]

No language is 'sacred' or you can say all languages are 'sacred', but Sanskrit does hold special place for Hindus/Buddhists/Sikhs/Jains .....as Arabic does for muslims or ....Aramaic/Latin does for Christians.

 

[Joe Shearer]

So you have accepted that there is huge infusion of Sanskrit words and grammar in Malayalam. Combine that with Hindu scriptures, it should be pretty obvious Sanskrit holds far far greater appeal to Malayalees than Tamil does. Its rather foolish of you to claim imposition of Sanskrit will create a north south divide. It appears to be some lame *** attempt to claim Sanskrit as the lingua franca of north Indians.

In fact, except for Tamil all other major south Indian language is more similar to Sanskrit than to tamil. So much for your ignorant argument.

Grammer of any language is always a intricate and long drawn out process. This is a rather obvious fact and your childish attempt to furnish it as some gem of wisdom is .....well typical Joe Shearer. Your desperate need to be acknowledged as a wise man of PDF is duly noted.

Fact that Sanskrit was taught in kerala schools 50 years back is direct evidence of the fact that Sanskrit holds more importance in Kerala than Tamil. In fact it was so well taught that my father went on to win a Gold medal in Sanskrit in Annamalai university almost 50 years ago.

Tantrasamgraha (Treatise on Kerala school of astronomy and mathematics) was written in Sanskrit in "KERALA" around 500 years back.



I will over look this comment in recognition of your attempts at appearing wise in this forum. Maybe it compensates for other unfortunate area in your life.

OK, so I have a prize winning idiot to deal with. Not a problem.

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So you have accepted that there is huge infusion of Sanskrit words and grammar in Malayalam. Combine that with Hindu scriptures, it should be pretty obvious Sanskrit holds far far greater appeal to Malayalees than Tamil does. Its rather foolish of you to claim imposition of Sanskrit will create a north south divide. It appears to be some lame *** attempt to claim Sanskrit as the lingua franca of north Indians.

In fact, except for Tamil all other major south Indian language is more similar to Sanskrit than to tamil. So much for your ignorant argument.

Grammer of any language is always a intricate and long drawn out process. This is a rather obvious fact and your childish attempt to furnish it as some gem of wisdom is .....well typical Joe Shearer. Your desperate need to be acknowledged as a wise man of PDF is duly noted.

Fact that Sanskrit was taught in kerala schools 50 years back is direct evidence of the fact that Sanskrit holds more importance in Kerala than Tamil. In fact it was so well taught that my father went on to win a Gold medal in Sanskrit in Annamalai university almost 50 years ago.

Tantrasamgraha (Treatise on Kerala school of astronomy and mathematics) was written in Sanskrit in "KERALA" around 500 years back.



I will over look this comment in recognition of your attempts at appearing wise in this forum. Maybe it compensates for other unfortunate area in your life.

OK, so I have a prize winning idiot to deal with. Not a problem.

Dravidian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://catdir.loc.gov/catdir/samples/cam041/2003282070.pdf

Facts about Dravidian languages

Britannica Mobile - iPhone Edition

Dravidian Language Family

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[Joe Shearer]

Heavens, looks like I have a fan at last!

So you have accepted that there is huge infusion of Sanskrit words and grammar in Malayalam. Combine that with Hindu scriptures, it should be pretty obvious Sanskrit holds far far greater appeal to Malayalees than Tamil does. Its rather foolish of you to claim imposition of Sanskrit will create a north south divide. It appears to be some lame *** attempt to claim Sanskrit as the lingua franca of north Indians.

In fact, except for Tamil all other major south Indian language is more similar to Sanskrit than to tamil. So much for your ignorant argument.

Grammer of any language is always a intricate and long drawn out process. This is a rather obvious fact and your childish attempt to furnish it as some gem of wisdom is .....well typical Joe Shearer. Your desperate need to be acknowledged as a wise man of PDF is duly noted.

Fact that Sanskrit was taught in kerala schools 50 years back is direct evidence of the fact that Sanskrit holds more importance in Kerala than Tamil. In fact it was so well taught that my father went on to win a Gold medal in Sanskrit in Annamalai university almost 50 years ago.

Tantrasamgraha (Treatise on Kerala school of astronomy and mathematics) was written in Sanskrit in "KERALA"

OK, so I have a prize winning idiot to deal with. Not a problem.

Dravidian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://catdir.loc.gov/catdir/samples/cam041/2003282070.pdf

Facts about Dravidian languages

Britannica Mobile - iPhone Edition

Dravidian Language Family

Dravidian Language

 

[zaxcollix]

As a Malayalee born and brought up in a Gujarati neighborhood (Ghatkopar) of Mumbai, and who worked in Bangalore for 3 years and now living in Hyderabad for the last 3.8 years I don't need Wikipedia to explain the nuances of Indian Languages.

I read, write and speak Malayalam, Marathi, Hindi and English fluently. I understand Gujarati, Tamil, Kannada and Telugu and can read Sanskrit.

I am in this forum only to counter propaganda & opinions parading as knowledge and facts. In any case my point has been made and understood by people on this forum, so you get to have the last word.

 

[Joe Shearer]

As a Malayalee born and brought up in a Gujarati neighborhood (Ghatkopar) of Mumbai, and who worked in Bangalore for 3 years and now living in Hyderabad for the last 3.8 years I don't need Wikipedia to explain the nuances of Indian Languages.

I read, write and speak Malayalam, Marathi, Hindi and English fluently. I understand Gujarati, Tamil, Kannada and Telugu and can read Sanskrit.

I am in this forum only to counter propaganda & opinions parading as knowledge and facts. In any case my point has been made and understood by people on this forum, so you get to have the last word.

Your reading, writing and speaking Malayalam, Marathi, Hindi and English fluently, and your understanding of Gujrati, Tamil, Kannada and Telugu, and your ability to read Sanskrit do not make you a linguist in academic terms. Any more than a duck swimming in a pond, a river and a marsh becomes a marine biologist.

Since you are so full of yourself that you think that the world of knowledge is bounded by you and your father's prize winning, you have obviously failed to notice that only one reference was to Wikipedia, the others were all reputed reference sources, including the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

Your reasons for joining this forum are of consuming interest to you and to nobody else. As far as I know, no applications were sought for the post of counter-propaganda officer.

What it amounts to is that the moment you were confronted by authentic sources opposed to your grandiloquent opinion, you found a convenient path out.

Goodbye.

 

[Rig Vedic]

It is interesting that Dr Ambedkar wanted Sanskrit to be India's official language, which was opposed by the Nehruvians - ‘Ambedkar wanted Sanskrit as official language’

See also Geopolitics and Sanskrit Phobia | Sulekha Creative by Rajiv Malhotra.

 

[zaxcollix]

Fact is the entire Aryan Invasion theory is debunked by modern historians along with its associated corollaries of existence of separate Aryans and Dravidians. This piece of british propaganda is now peddled only by old foggies who wish to cling on to a comforting past.

Since its proven tamil is older than Sanskrit and tamil has influenced sanskrit right from the Rig Veda (work by Bhadriraju Krishnamurti). Sanskrit later shaped/influenced all other Indian languages including tamil.

 

[SinoChallenger]

The same reason the hindu civilization lost control of the Indus River Valley. Military defeat and humiliation at the hands of foreign civilizations, especially conquerors like Timur, Ghazni and Babur.

 

[Azazel]

Hmmm..again no. Malayalam as is spoken now branched out of old Tamil roughly 600-700 years ago and went through a partial sanskritization process.

But I agree to your point that Sanskrit holds greater importance to mallus than Tamil because a section of the scriptures are in sanskrit. I said a section because there are some mindblowing scriptures in Tamil too like Thervaram, thiruvasagam etc.

This is only true for some Academics.For normal Malayalees Tamil makes more sense than Sanskrit.This is quite evident by huge popularity of Tamil movies in Kerala.