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Myanmar military's next campaign: shoring up power


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(Reuters) - Aung Thaw was a teenager when he joined Myanmar's armed forces, which seized power in 1962 and led a promising Asian nation into half a century of poverty, isolation and fear.

Now 59, he has a new mission as deputy minister of defense: explaining why the military intends to retain a dominant role in a fragile new era of democratic reform.

In a two-hour interview with Reuters, the first by a leader of the armed forces with the international media since Myanmar's historic reforms began last year, Aung Thaw depicted the military as both architect and guardian of his country's embryonic democracy.

That's why the military has no plans to give up its presence in parliament, he said, where its unelected delegates occupy a quarter of the seats. Nor will the military apologize for its violent suppressions of pro-democracy protests in 1988 and 2007 that led to crippling Western sanctions.

"The government is leading the democratization," said Aung Thaw. "The Defense Services are pro-actively participating in the process."

The military will also retain a leading role in Myanmar's economy through its holding companies, according to the firms, which are among the country's biggest commercial enterprises.

Aung Thaw's comments came ahead of Barack Obama's visit to Myanmar on November 19 - the first by a serving U.S. president to the country also known as Burma.

The generals' reluctance to loosen their grip on power and acknowledge past abuses raises fundamental questions for this strategic country at Asia's crossroads: Can Myanmar be reborn after decades of dictatorship without the military itself also undergoing profound change? And is the United States too quickly embracing the generals?

"When there is genocide in Darfur," said President Obama in his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech in 2009, "systematic rape in Congo, repression in Burma - there must be consequences." Three years later, the United States is rewarding Myanmar's once-reviled military by granting it observer status at next year's Cobra Gold war games in Thailand. The exercises form part of Washington's strategic "pivot" to Asia to counter the growing influence of China, traditional patron of Myanmar's former junta.

While in Myanmar, Obama is expected to meet both President Thein Sein, a former general, and opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, the Nobel Peace Prize laureate. Obama adviser Samantha Power wrote a post on the White House website last week signaling that Obama would use the trip to pressure Myanmar to do more about continuing ethnic violence and human-rights abuses against civilians.

"The government and the ethnic nationalities need to work together urgently to find a path to lasting peace that addresses minority rights, deals with differences through dialogue not violence, heals the wounds of the past, and carries reforms forward," she wrote.

THE REAL POWER

Aung Din, executive director of the U.S. Campaign for Burma, an advocacy group, also urged Obama to meet with "his real counterpart" - meaning Vice Senior General Min Aung Hlaing, Myanmar's commander-in-chief.

Myanmar's emergence from authoritarianism has been compared to the Arab Spring, but the trigger wasn't street protests. The opening was stage-managed by retired generals such as Thein Sein, whose dramatic reforms cleared the way for an engagement with the West and a suspension in sanctions. A government now dominated by former generals has begun repairing a dysfunctional economy with foreign expertise and investment.

Since taking power in March 2011, Thein Sein's quasi-civilian government has relaxed censorship, allowed street protests and held a by-election that put Suu Kyi into parliament. In return, the West has suspended most sanctions, while Japan has promised up to $21 billion in aid and investment. Foreign investors are pouring into one of the world's last frontier markets.

The military, however, has remained practically a law unto itself, its power and privileges enshrined in a 2008 constitution drafted by the former junta. Fears persist that hardliners may emerge to stall or roll back the reforms.

The generals have long insisted the reforms were the culmination of their "roadmap to democracy" announced nearly a decade ago. Diplomats here cite other pressures, including fears of economic collapse and further popular unrest, growing unease over China's dominance, and a desire to shrug off Myanmar's pariah status in an increasingly connected Southeast Asia.

The military is showing some signs of change. Deadly sectarian violence in Rakhine State in October was a major test for government troops, who showed restraint in policing the unrest between ethnic Rakhine Buddhists and Rohingya Muslims.

Ethnic insurgencies rage elsewhere along Myanmar's borderlands, where battle-hardened soldiers have committed their worst abuses and, in northern Kachin State, commit them still, say human rights groups.

"EVERYBODY SUFFERED"

Myanmar's army is called the Tatmadaw, or "Royal Force," a phrase evoking the age of Burmese warrior kings. Its modern version was founded by General Aung San, the independence hero and father of Aung San Suu Kyi, who led his troops against both British and Japanese occupiers.

Respect for the Tatmadaw began to fade in 1962, when the late dictator General Ne Win seized power and ushered in the catastrophic "Burmese Way to Socialism." A nationwide pro-democracy uprising that began in 1988 was so brutally repressed it scarred the nation's psyche. Thousands were killed or injured when troops opened fire on unarmed protesters. Hundreds more were jailed, including Suu Kyi, who spent 15 of the next 21 years under house arrest.

The savagery provoked global outrage and led the United States and Europe to impose sanctions. Some military officers remain on visa blacklists in Western countries.

In the interview, deputy defense minister Aung Thaw described 1988 as a "very, very sad memory for us". Military intervention was necessary to halt nationwide anarchy that threatened to "forever" change Myanmar's borders, he said. "In 1988, the reality is the whole country was in a chaotic situation. Everybody suffered, including our armed forces."

The military was "the only strong institution left in that chaotic situation to maintain law and order," he said. "At the time, we had no other option. We tried to restore law and order to protect the civilian population."

And the population was grateful, he insists. "If you were in this country at that defining moment, you would hear (this) sound", he said, emitting an audible sigh of relief. "Because everybody felt insecure, even in their own homes."

Kyaw Min Yu recalls it differently. Better known as Ko ("Brother") Jimmy, he was protesting with other students in March 1988 by Inya Lake in the main city of Yangon when security forces attacked. Scores of students were shot dead or drowned. Later, he said, he saw a soldier stab a schoolgirl with a bayonet.

"I'll never understand why they were so cruel to us students, who were about the same age as their sons and daughters," said Ko Jimmy, who spent 20 years as a political prisoner and is today a leading political activist.

Shaken by the 1988 protests in the cities, and embroiled in conflict with ethnic insurgent groups in border regions, the military expanded. By 1995, its ranks had almost doubled to about 350,000, according to Myanmar military scholar Andrew Selth of the Griffith Asia Institute in Brisbane, Australia. When Buddhist monks led pro-democracy protests in 2007, the military was able to snuff them out easily.

The military's refusal to acknowledge the suffering it caused is part of a deep-rooted arrogance that undermines hopes for reconciliation, said Ko Jimmy. This is especially true in ethnic areas, where attacks by government soldiers have left generations of bad blood.

The military is overwhelmingly Burman, as Myanmar's ethnic majority is called, which compounds the sense among minorities that it is an invader, not a liberator.

The Thailand Burma Border Consortium, the main aid agency caring for refugees along the Thai-Myanmar frontier, estimates that since 1996 more than 3,700 villages have been destroyed or abandoned in the eastern Myanmar regions of the Karen ethnic group. More than 1 million people have been displaced and tens of thousands killed. The military has been accused by defectors and international rights groups of ordering soldiers to rape women and leave them pregnant to breed out resistance.

"It would take a miracle for the military to reform," said Myra Dahgaypaw, a 36-year-old ethnic Karen. Soldiers killed her parents when she was a young child, she said, and later killed her elder brother, his wife and their daughter. Soldiers also shot dead her uncle after forcing him to watch them rape his wife, she said.

Now working for an advocacy group in Washington, D.C., Dahgaypaw urged the United States to slow its rapprochement with Myanmar and its military. "I feel like they are in a rush and forget about what's really important."

Ten ethnic insurgent groups have this year signed preliminary cease-fires. But about 75,000 people have been displaced in 16 months of fighting in Kachin State in northern Myanmar, many of them fleeing forced labor, killings, rape and torture by the Myanmar military, the New York-based Human Rights Watch reported in June.

Aung Thaw said government troops were exercising "maximum restraint" in Kachin State, despite attacks from the rebel Kachin Independence Army. "It is our duty to protect the civilian population in that area," he said.

CONSTITUTIONAL SHIELD

The military faces no institutions powerful enough to compel it to account for its past history. The 2008 constitution, drafted by the former junta, gives soldiers immunity from civilian prosecution and indemnifies former junta members. It also gives the military autonomy over its own affairs and sweeping powers in civilian life.

The constitution reserves a quarter of the seats in Myanmar's upper and lower houses for officers, as well as three important cabinet posts - the ministries of defense, home affairs and border affairs - and one of Myanmar's two vice-president positions.

Serving or former officers also dominate key civilian institutions, including a national security council that can assume power in an ill-defined state of emergency. Myanmar's commander-in-chief is not a popularly elected president or prime minister. The current one, Min Aung Hlaing, was handpicked by former dictator Than Shwe and outranks the Defense Minister.

"For anyone in the military, even today, you don't challenge someone of a higher rank," said an officer who spoke on condition of anonymity. "So how can the Defense Minister ever say no to the Commander-in-Chief? He wouldn't dare."

This helps explain why the Defense Ministry, which in theory subjects the military to civilian control, is half-deserted. The commander-in-chief sits in the War Office, a vast complex of offices, mansions and bunkers in the newly built capital of Naypyitaw where, said Aung Thaw, journalists are forbidden to go for national security reasons.

Aung Thaw nonetheless contended the military is "under civilian control." He noted that the commander-in-chief must be proposed and approved by a civilian body: the National Defense and Security Council, a presidential advisory group resembling the White House's National Security Council. But the NDSC is only nominally civilian. Five of its 11 members are serving military officers; another five are ex-officers, including its chairman, President Thein Sein.

While parliament can reduce or increase the defense budget, it cannot audit it, and has no control over the military's vast off-budget financial holdings.

Amending the constitution to remove the military's reserve of seats - a major goal for the Suu Kyi-led opposition - requires more than three-quarters support of parliament, which would have to include at least some military delegates.

It seems an almost impossible task. The delegates, mostly mid-ranking officers, tend to vote as a bloc on issues affecting the armed forces, suggesting they are following orders from superiors, the opposition says.

Special Report: Myanmar military's next campaign: shoring up power | Reuters
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China of a too bigger thing for USA to contain it,s the biggest thing ever happened in mankind,s history , USA do not have any thing to give to anyone but misery and problems. My bet china all the way.
 
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Just a normal competition in South East Asia.
Burma is an important country with a good location. I think that lady will win the election, bad news is that they start to get close to the West, they start to depress Muslims in their country. Thats not good.

Egypt's Morsi Firms China Ties - WSJ.com

Military dictator Mubarak: US puppet
Democratic leader Morsi: balanced relations

Ah, that explains the silliness.
Each country should think about their own benefits. Its not cold war now, ideology is no longer the key point. Egypt wants to play a big role in Middle East, they cannot only talk to the West.
 
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Just a normal competition in South East Asia.
Burma is an important country with a good location. I think that lady will win the election, bad news is that they start to get close to the West, they start to depress Muslims in their country. Thats not good.

It's not a question of maybe.

She'll definitely shift to the US camp. It'll be interesting how that goes.
 
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It's not a question of maybe.

She'll definitely shift to the US camp. It'll be interesting how that goes.
Her husband is a British. People love her, if she is really good, no blaming should be done. Lets see what will happen. Burma has a long way to go. Hopefully they will not depress Muslim like what they are doing now.
 
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Her husband is a British. People love her, if she is really good, no blaming should be done. Lets see what will happen. Burma has a long way to go. Hopefully they will not depress Muslim like what they are doing now.

That country is gonna be screwed with her at the helm.

USA or not.
 
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That country is gonna be screwed with her at the helm.

USA or not.

But still remain better than North Korea.

Indeed, Myanmar's U-turn from a steady progress towards becoming a "North Korea" is nothing short of miraculous.

Yes, they may not become a "South Korea" or a "Taiwan" in a hurry .... but they seem set be like Sri Lanka or Thailand.

Naturally, better to be a Sri Lanka or Thailand .... than "North Korea".

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Each country should think about their own benefits. Its not cold war now, ideology is no longer the key point. Egypt wants to play a big role in Middle East, they cannot only talk to the West.

Yes, my whole point was that the assertion by a Rand Corp. (a right wing think tank) analyst that China favors authoritarian regimes while the US favors democracies is a load of bull.
 
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for me. yes...

Every country, including the US and China, will deal with whomever satisfies their national interests; democracy or dictatorship has nothing to do with it. If the Burmese generals had approached the US with favorable options, the US would have reciprocated. The democratic cover just makes it easier for domestic (and international) public relations.
 
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Democracy doesn't happen overnight, especially on countries that are not used to democracies. Western democracies are not necessary suited for eastern societies. In order for a country, especially countries in this area, develop an accepted form of politic it should let it evolve slowly by borrowing the good elements of ruling style from different forms of government.

Reform in Myanmar is a must but I think they are going a little too fast where their original plans didn't include the troubles they are having now in every corner of the country.

And now Obama is coming in and demands reforms Obama to push reforms in Myanmar | Video | Reuters.com. I'm afraid he's emboldening certain elements of the society for wanting quick changes.
 
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if the world view was looked through your simplistic logic then any visit by any country to another, would be a snub of an other country. Think Tank , ... figures.

I just gave a glaring example that blows that silly logic you posted to smithereens.

Not that I expect you to have the intellectual honesty to accept when facts contradict assertions.

P.S. In case you still don't get it, I will repeat my earlier post again.

Every country, including the US and China, will deal with whomever satisfies their national interests; democracy or dictatorship has nothing to do with it. If the Burmese generals had approached the US with favorable options, the US would have reciprocated. The democratic cover just makes it easier for domestic (and international) public relations.
 
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I just gave a glaring example that blows that silly logic you posted to smithereens.

Not that I expect you to have the intellectual honesty to accept when facts contradict assertions.

what glaring example? the novice example that Morsi is not going to be antagonistic to China not unlike his predecessor? . Yet he is dependent on 2 bill from the IMF and 2 bill from the US. ROFL. This the reason why I laugh when I see you post and see that attempt to sound like a think tank.

Update: I see now you have changed your initial wSJ article claim and post to put a new alternative reason. hmmm think tank.
 
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