How Akinci &MQ 9 fit into Indo Pak theatre?

[MMM-E]

Absolutely.

TB-2 failed in Ukraine, and Akinci does not stand a chance against jet fighters.

TB-2 did great job in Ukraine at the beginning of the war
but Ukraine is weak country without Air Force and Air Defense Systems to protect TB-2s against Fighter Jets


Pakistani Air Force will sleep ?
Pakistani AD Systems will sleep ?

for example Turkish Airforce and S400 , SIPER , HISAR AD Systems can protect Turkish UCAVs against Fighter Jets


AKINCI UCAVs for using to protect Pakistani soil from ground invasion by Indian Army

and Indian Army does not stand a chance against TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

TB-2 did great job in Ukraine at the beginning of the war
but Ukraine is weak country without Air Force and Air Defense Systems to protect TB-2s against Fighter Jets


Pakistani Air Force will sleep ?
Pakistani AD Systems will sleep ?

for example Turkish Airforce and S400 , SIPER , HISAR AD Systems can protect Turkish UCAVs against Fighter Jets


AKINCI UCAVs for using to protect Pakistani soil from ground invasion by Indian Army

and Indian Army does not stand a chance against TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs

UAVs are offensive weapons
They need to go all alone well inside enemy territory
So Imagine Akinci going all alone inside Indian territory!
The use you are suggesting "hunting down Indian tanks well inside Pak Territory" this role can be carried out by S2 but still Pak military opted for Akinci !

Only role they will play is surveillance and that too in peace time
This role can be accomplished by domestic drones also and so they should have been mass produced instead of importing foreign equipment.

 

[MMM-E]

How do they perform under wide-band noise jamming or when gps is compromised?

Any idea?

Please educate me.. I'm new to this.

1-- AKINCI is equipped with dual artificial intelligence avionics which supports for signal processing, sensor fusion and situational awareness in real time.


2-- AKINCI is capable of conducting operations that are performed with fighter jets. It carries electronic support systems, dual satellite communication systems, air-to-air radar, collision avoidance radar and synthetic aperture radar.

-- Fully Automatic Navigation and Route Tracking Feature
-- Fully Automatic Flight Control and 3 Redundant Autopilot System (Triple Redundant)
-- Fully Automatic Landing and Take-off Feature Without Dependence on Ground Systems
-- Navigation with Internal Sensor Fusion Without Dependency on GPS

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With its unique fuselage and wing design Bayraktar Akinci platform is a strategic class platform which can carry various payloads. Bayraktar

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Great technology with AI
AKINCI UCAV will be able to collect information by recording the data received from sensors and cameras on the UCAV through artificial intelligence computers

This artificial intelligence system that can detect the angle of tilting, standing and heading of the UCAV without the need for any external sensor or GPS

It will also provide environmental awareness using geographic information and advanced artificial intelligence system will have decision making feature by processing the data it obtains

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

I stopped.

No problem sir

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

MQ-9 has operational altitude : 25.000 feet
AKINCI has operational altitude : 30.000 feet

MQ-9 has range of 3.611 km
AKINCI has range of 7.500 km


AKINCI has also great technology and sensor including

-- AESA Radar
-- SATCOM
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers



Maritime Configuration for the Indian Navy ....its okey
but pathetic MQ-9 for the Indian Army

12 km HELLFIRE Missiles ... nothing else
even short-medium range Air Defense Systems easly can shoot down MQ-9


on the other hand AKINCI UCAV armed with 30-40-60-80-150-180 ,275 km MAM-T , KUZGUN-KY , ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , IHA-230 , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM to hit enemy Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems from safe distance

even 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missile


100 million USD for MQ-9 UCAV and only 12 km HELFIRE Missile ... so pathetic

MQ-9 is a toy to compare with AKINCI in fire power

Don't you understand the basics? You're just overhyping yourself with no use.

What you are referring to is only good if you are flying over Afghanistan with no proper air defense.

Most members here are aware that Indian and Pakistani borders are heavily armed with SAM missiles, and it will be fully activated during the tense situation.

These drones will be shot down most of the time without doing much damage. with 400–500 km/h speed will be an easy target by Sam's and fighter planes.

Any day, I will prefer Loitering munition drone in the case of India and Pakistan war for destroying critical and important military assets.

As we said before, the purchase of the armed mq-9 drone by India, the purpose is just different, and what you are posting is just self-delectable



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[MMM-E]

UAVs are offensive weapons
They need to go all alone well inside enemy territory
So Imagine Akinci going all alone inside Indian territory!

Turboprob engined UCAVs are defensive weapons
TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs to protect Pakistani soil from ground invasion

and Turkiye can use AKINCI UCAVs to attack on Greek Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean


for offensive role
turbofan Engined ANKA-3 flying-wing deep strike stealth UCAV
and KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet

armed with long range cruise missiles and air to air missiles

 

[MIRauf]

No problem sir

Pak Miliatry Hardware is usually / most of the time funded by $ earned by the Military Inc, Friendly Foreign Gov'ts or Foreign Military Aid. Ask MK about the $5 Billion PAF doled out by cancelling 18 F-16 C/D after 2005 Earthquake and what came of it '$.'

 

[MMM-E]

Most members here are aware that Indian and Pakistani borders are heavily armed with SAM missiles, and it will be fully activated during the tense situation.

SAMs easy target for AKINCI UCAVs armed with 60-80-150-180 ,275 km ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , IHA-230 , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM missiles

even TB-2 UCAVs to carry 200+ km KEMANKES mini smart cruise missile with E/O Camera to hit enemy AD Radars

KEMANKEŞ Mini Intelligent Cruise Missile

KEMANKEŞ is a mini intelligent cruise missile developed nationally and originally by Baykar to be operationalized against strategic objectives. KEMANK

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[Raj-Hindustani]

SAMs easy target for AKINCI UCAVs armed with 60-80-150-180 ,275 km ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , IHA-230 , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM missiles

even TB-2 UCAVs to carry 200+ km KEMANKES mini smart cruise missile with E/O Camera to hit enemy AD Radars

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KEMANKEŞ Mini Intelligent Cruise Missile

KEMANKEŞ is a mini intelligent cruise missile developed nationally and originally by Baykar to be operationalized against strategic objectives. KEMANK

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Seriously, I am an idiot, replied you.

Go ahead and continue , please

 

[MMM-E]

Any day, I will prefer Loitering munition drone in the case of India and Pakistan war for destroying critical and important military assets.

so easy to intercept Loitering munition Drones by SPAAGs , MANPADS , short-medium range AD Systems to protect critical and important military assets

but if Indian Troops , IFVs , Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , Mobile AD Systems enter Pakistani soil , then nowhere to hide - nowhere to run

TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs can destroy all of them in Pakistani soil

Seriously, I am an idiot, replied you.

Go ahead and continue , please

Your AKASH Air Defense System with range of 40 km can not stop AKINCI UCAV with 60-80-150-180 ,275 km ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , IHA-230 , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM missiles

Even TB-2 UCAVs armed with 200+ km KEMANKES mini smart cruise missile can hit your Radars and game over


MQ-9 with 12 km HELLFIRE Missile ..... so funny
AKASH , TOR , BUK , SPYDER , MICA-VL , HISAR , IRST SLM ,etc easly can shoot down MQ-9

but AKINCI UCAV can destroy all of them AKASH , TOR , BUK , SPYDER , MICA-VL , HISAR , IRST SLM from safe distance

 

[ziaulislam]

Sir for surveillance,you will need to put them at front line and these things are not capable of sustaining themselves on front lines
So we are still there.
Do they really worth of our Dollars?

I know it's really painful to see these wrong doings of Jernails but for now lets focus on capability aspects of these UAVs.

Surveillance is done mostly at peace time
You require a long loitering vehicle for this.

It fits the bill good. Also very good to surveillance of terrorists and civilians and bomb them as needed

 

[Trisolaran]

You know TB2s have completely disappeared from Russio-Ukraine theatre and its b/c they are expensive for countries to constantly resupply them.
PAF has made very poor choice to go for TB2 and Akinci

Imagine having an asset with AESA radar,EW and what not and that moves at only 0.2Mach ; it's a sitting duck and waste of resources.


So I will say again They are useful only in less contested air space & have zero chance of survival in Indo Pak theatre.
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These drones will be very useful in operations against terrorist organizations like TTP and BLA

 

[Zarvan]

100 millon is not solely for drone costs. Numerous support systems are coming.

India is purchasing armed mq-9b drones because they have several advance features and self-defense capabilities not found in other drones, putting them one step ahead of their competitors in terms of technology.

In any case, the key reason for having this in Indian inventory is to keep an eye on the Indian Ocean to counter the Chinese Navy. Every penny spent on it is worthwhile because it has a flight endurance of over 40 hours and 7 hard points. No combat plane in the world can compare to the purposes of drones during surveillance activity with the teeth...

I love our neighbors over confidence the moment they order something it becomes best in the world. Their delusions would keep getting them humiliated.

 

[Trisolaran]

Absolutely.

TB-2 failed in Ukraine, and Akinci does not stand a chance against jet fighters.

These drones are useful as a force multiplier and can inflict damage, but you are over-expecting from this stuff.

The most important reason why the TB2s are not active in Ukraine is that Turkey does not want to be in the position of hostile states with Russia. Most of the systems we supplied to Ukraine were the completion of the agreements made before the war.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

The most important reason why the TB2s are not active in Ukraine is that Turkey does not want to be in the position of hostile states with Russia. Most of the systems we supplied to Ukraine were the completion of the agreements made before the war.

Ukraine had 50 TB2s and this is a large number actually.
They did very little damage to Russia
They could not stand against Russian Short Range defence systems &EW systems
And they will not last long against India either.
Though good against greece and PKK and that's what they were really designed for.