How Akinci &MQ 9 fit into Indo Pak theatre?
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MQ-9 SG is for surveillance in the Indian Ocean
but Indian Army can not do anything with pathetic MQ-9
and MQ-9 is a toy to compare with AKINCI in technology and fire power
MQ-9 Reaper ... USA
Hardpoints : 7 ... but center station not used
Engine : 900 hp
Range : 1.900 km
Endurance : 27 hours
Operational altitude : 25.000 feet
-- 12 km HELLFIRE Missile
-- 15 km GBU-12 Paveway II laser-guided Bomb
max payload : 8 HELLFIRE Missiles ( range of 12 km )
AKINCI ... Turkiye
Hardpoints : 9
Engine : 2 x 750 hp ( 1.500 hp )
Range : 7.500 km
Endurance : 25 hours
Operational altitude : 30.000 feet
-- MURAD GaN based AESA Radar
-- 16 km UMTAS missile
-- 30 km MAM-T laser guided munition
-- 30 km IHA-122 supersonic missile
-- 40 km KUZGUN-KY missile
-- 80 km TOLUN-IIR guided munition
-- 150 km IHA-230 supersonic Missile
-- 150 km CAKIR next gen Cruise Missile
-- 180+ km KUZGUN-TJ modular joint strike missile
-- 275 km SOM Cruise Missile
-- 25 km BOZDOGAN air to air missile
-- 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missile
max payload : 8 TOLUN guided munitions , 4 KUZGUN and 8 MAM-L guided munitions
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1-- Pakistan is not weak Ukraine which lack Air Force
( Pakistan has strong Air Force and AD Systems to protect TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs )
2-- India is not military super power Russia
( Indian AKASH AD System can not stop AKINCI UCAVs .... not even close )
TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs for self defense in Pakistani soil
Indian Army will try enter Pakistan
and TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs can turn all Indian Army into scrap of metal in Pakistani soil
Thanks to superior fire power to destroy enemy Troops , Tanks , Howitzers , AFVs , IFVs , MLRS and Air Defense Systems
AKINCI UCAVs even can destroy Indian MQ-9 UCAVs and AH-64 Attack Helicopters
Send 1.000 Indian Tanks into Pakistan .. no problem
TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs can find and destroy all of them
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Indian Army will try enter Pakistan
and TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs can turn all Indian Army into scrap of metal in Pakistani soil
After reading this, you are not qualified for any reply from my side.
Your posts are just self-delectable.
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I dont care about your side and Indian Army which can not match with Turkish UCAVs
Turkiye will continue to arm Pakistan against India
American weapons MQ-9 , AH-64 , etc are easy targets and can not change balance of power
TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs can turn all Indian Army into scrap of metal in Pakistani soil
Reality is always Reality
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Any plan to put sonar bouy pods on it and torpedos.
Seems this UAV is value for money as a replacement of smaller manned MPA.
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Do you think all the top strategists of the world are all fools regarding UAVs??? Who do you think pinpoint the HIMARS to take out the Russian assets en masse to such an extent that Russia is massing another 100K troops? By the by, how many years of the NATO standard air warfare experience do you have?
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Sure sure...
Only Indian Army can pay $100 million for pathetic MQ-9
Keep dreaming with your useless MQ-9 armed with 8 HELLFIRE missiles ..( 12 km )
... so funny
AKINCI UCAVs can carry even 24 MAM-L laser guided munitions with range of 15 km
try to enter Pakistani soil and see what will happen
AKINCI UCAVs can hit all your Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS and AKASH Air Defense Systems
AKINCI UCAVs to fire 60 km ALPAGUT kamikaze Drones to hit even moving Tanks from safe distance
( IR / E/O seeker and 11kg warhead .. nowhere to hide .. nowhere to run )
80 km TOLUN-IIR guided munition with IIR seeker to hit Indian Army Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , AKASH AD Systems from safe distance
180 km KUZGUN-TJ Missile with IIR seeker to hit Indian Army Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , AKASH AD Systems from safe distance
150 km IHA-230 supersonic Missile
150 km CAKIR next gen Cruise Missile
soon AKINCI UCAV .. with MURAD AESA Radar and 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missiles to turn Indian MQ-9 UCAVs and AH-64 Attack Helicopters into scrap of metal
Great fire power to protect Pakistani soil ...
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Engines = 1
Endurance (max) = 35 hours
Hardpoints = 7
Operational altitude (max) = 50000 feet
Payload capacity = 1361 kg
Speed (max) = 500 KM / hour
US was using this drone in war when Turkey wasn't producing any drone of note. MQ-9 Reaper specifications were really impressive for its time but it is no longer in production. MQ-9 Reaper's successor is called Mojave.
Mojave has 9 hardpoints and 1633 kg payload capacity. For perspective, Mojave can be armed with up to 16 hellfire missiles. But Mojave is configured to carry a variety of payloads.
MQ-9 class has excellent sensor technology. It is foolish to claim that it is a toy compared to Akinci in technology and firepower. Think before you make a claim.
Engines = 2
Endurance (max) = 24 hours
Hardpoints = 9
Operational altitude (max) = 40000 feet
Speed (max) = 361 KM / hour
Bayraktar <br> Akıncı
With its unique fuselage and wing design Bayraktar Akinci platform is a strategic class platform which can carry various payloads. Bayraktar
baykartech.com
Keep in mind that the payload TYPE can significantly affect endurance, operational altitude, range, and speed of any drone.
Maximum performance is possible with ISR payload ONLY.
Absolutely.
TB-2 failed in Ukraine, and Akinci does not stand a chance against jet fighters.
These drones are useful as a force multiplier and can inflict damage, but you are over-expecting from this stuff.
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The MQ 9 deal has been solely driven by the IN and the other two, they never had any interest in these birds. IA and IAF actually are more interested in Heron's, and just like IN brought 2 MQ 9 on lease a year or two back, about 4 Heron TP's seem to be on lease with these two.
The only reason IA and IAF might be getting 8 each, out of the 31 total planned is for the long Chinese border. Given our pathetic ISAR coverage with just 3 AEW planes, its said P8I's had to be brought in post Doklam. Am sure most of these will go there and not exactly on to Western border, as there are Heron Mk2 drones in service for Pakistani border I feel (if necessary, things are mostly calm for now).
While they might get armed, I don't see them getting any armed action. They are just too costly for such ops, instead there are local drones like Tapas that might get used if need comes. There is a news about a day or two ago, of some 100 drones order being planned. Here a small video for rudimentary idea, and again the purpose is not attack but ISAR. Yes they can be armed with missiles, to protect themselves but not against jets I feel.
So to basically answer your question, are these drones worth it? think yes. Before drones got this good endurance wise (MALE and HALE categories), one had to depend on flying AEW planes for ISAR. Each flight costs a lot, and a big team has to be trained and kept ready for continuous coverage of hot spots. A drone in comparison, just needs lesser personnel helping with the issues of pilot and AEW team's fatigue and overall costs, and provide continuous coverage. Now as civilians you and I have no cost comparisions, to see if this is the case but overall that must be the reason I feel (but I could be wrong too).
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How do they perform under wide-band noise jamming or when gps is compromised?
Any idea?
Please educate me.. I'm new to this.
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I was skimming the initial post, then I read this line and I stopped.
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MQ-9 has operational altitude : 25.000 feet
AKINCI has operational altitude : 30.000 feet
MQ-9 has range of 3.611 km
AKINCI has range of 7.500 km
AKINCI has also great technology and sensor including
-- AESA Radar
-- SATCOM
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers
Maritime Configuration for the Indian Navy ....its okey
but pathetic MQ-9 for the Indian Army
12 km HELLFIRE Missiles ... nothing else
even short-medium range Air Defense Systems easly can shoot down MQ-9
on the other hand AKINCI UCAV armed with 30-40-60-80-150-180 ,275 km MAM-T , KUZGUN-KY , ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , IHA-230 , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM to hit enemy Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems from safe distance
even 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missile
100 million USD for MQ-9 UCAV and only 12 km HELFIRE Missile ... so pathetic
MQ-9 is a toy to compare with AKINCI in fire power
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