How a Sukhoi-BrahMos strike will make Pakistani airspace look like Swiss cheese

[313ghazi]

Turns out your air force was allergic to cheese.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I do hope that Chinese and KSA along with IMF are proving enough money to keep beggar away for a year or so...

You should have talked to DG ISPR AND IK about the second pilot too... hope they won't lie to you...

Why do start off topic discussions @Novice09 just for face saving @Novice09
you claimed only 1 pilot was missing in action, so we send you abhi, 2nd pilot might be dead or still in our custody @Novice09

 

[Novice09]

@MastanKhan I have argued with the members the mistake of 26th to the death, trying to convince them that Pakistan should have gone hard and attack Indian jets hard. Many here said that PAF didn't do it because by the time PAF was in the air, the Indians jet already crossed back to Indian control air space and to strike them in Indian air space would have been declaration of War.

I argued and can only laugh at such comments. The Indians came in to your airspace with the intentions of war, dropped bombs on your territory, that is not war!!! PAF should have shoot down Indian jets even if they have crossed the LOC back to Indian controlled airspace. No mercy. Remember you are already at war when someone cross your airspace with hostile intentions and plans.

On 27th, I think instead of firing the H4 on empty spaces next to their targets, they should have hit the targets, including Bipin and killed him. That would have send a devastating message to the India that it should not cross Pakistani borders, by air or by land. Period.

Wars are not that easy to fight specially when you don't have enough money... 26th was a complete failure as PAF was caught unguarded by the IAF even after such level of alertness...

On 27th... IAF was up in the air to tackle the aggression... we lost a jet but several valuable lessons are learnt...

IAF wants to speed up the induction of Tejas to replace the aging MiG 21s... BABUS AND TOP BRASS are completely shocked by the failure of MiG 21's engine at a crucial moment...

 

[crankthatskunk]

okay!

soak these fancy weapons in cos urine and fire them when it cloudy!

good luck;

But cloud me tu ye rasta bhool jaeenge. They may hit Indian targets instead.
You know they say, "Slippery when wet". We don't know what Cow Piss would do the target seekers in the missiles.

Wars are not that easy to fight specially when you don't have enough money... 26th was a complete failure as PAF was caught unguarded by the IAF even after such level of alertness...

On 27th... IAF was up in the air to tackle the aggression... we lost a jet but several valuable lessons are learnt...

IAF wants to speed up the induction of Tejas to replace the aging MiG 21s... BABUS AND TOP BRASS are completely shocked by the failure of MiG 21's engine at a crucial moment...

I don't know why you Indians despite tons of evidence to the contrary, keep deluding yourself.
First of all 2 Indian jets shot down, further two suffered the same fate, but causes are disputed. I am still convinced that Mi 17 was shot down by PAF, those Aim 120 fired did hit some targets, the heli is one of them.
I am sure valuable lessons are learned, first is the extent of PA capabilities to penetrate IA network.
Second that PAF showed mercy to Bipin, he could and should have been dead, if I was in charge of PAF. I would have killed Bipin without second thought. Bigger the targets destroyed bigger the impact and deterrence.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Su30 mki it create sonic boom and with sonic boom comes clouds

 

[Novice09]

Why do start off topic discussions @Novice09 just for face saving @Novice09
you claimed only 1 pilot was missing in action, so we send you abhi, 2nd pilot might be dead or still in our custody @Novice09

Newbie is the one who started... not only off topic... completely derogatory too...

On second pilot... it was not India who claimed about having second pilot in hospital... it was Pakistan... so...

On topic...
SU 30 MKI + Brahmos is a deadly combination... integration of these systems will change the equation... I was replying to @MastanKhan as I ALWAYS want to know his point of view...

@MastanKhan and @gambit are the guys because of whom I'm on this forum... initially it was a place to DISCUSS things with FACTS... now it is mostly for TROLLS...

 

[Ultima Thule]

BABUS AND TOP BRASS are completely shocked by the failure of MiG 21's engine at a crucial moment...

Another conspiracy theory by Indians,lots of Indians said that it was a anti aircraft gun hit,why you guys twisted theories so many times, in fact it was a BVR hit (SD-10) @Novice09

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

We already had a taste of swiss cheese on the 27 Feb, when there were clouds.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Before that stage USA itself is going to nuke you, they gave you the nukes and they will take it too...

Are you high on something!! Like Cow PissCola!!

 

[Talon]

How a Sukhoi-BrahMos strike will make Pakistani airspace look like Swiss cheese
Rakesh Krishnan | New Delhi, Thursday, May 16, 2019 | 21:27 IST

India has signalled its intent to strike enemy targets with devastating force early on in a conflict. Following the success of the Balakot raid by 12 Mirage-2000 fighters using Israeli ground penetrator bombs, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to test fire the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from its Sukhoi Su-30MKI air dominance fighter. This will allow the IAF to carry out punitive air strikes deep in enemy territory from safe standoff distances.

The air-launched BrahMos-A has an estimated operational range of over 400 km and can be dropped from 1,640 to 46,000 feet. The missile, named after the Brahmaputra in India and the Moskva river in Russia, is currently the world's fastest cruise missile.

Individually, the Su-30 and BrahMos are powerful weapons. But when the one of the most supermanoeuvrable fighters in the world is armed with a uniquely destructive cruise missile, together they are a dramatic force multiplier.

The extended range of the BrahMos-A will allow IAF pilots to destroy Balakot type targets from at least 150 km within Indian territory. The Sukhois can also launch their missiles against Pakistani targets from the southwest while flying over international waters, thereby complicating the enemy's defences.

While Pakistani air defences - and its terrorists in Balakot - were literally caught napping during the February 26 raid, at least the Pakistani military woke up after the Indian bombs exploded, and the PAF was able to scramble a few jets. In theory, if the Pakistanis had detected the intrusion early, they could have alerted the jehadis to vacate the buildings. But a BrahMos-A barrage by Sukhois taking off from Halwara air base in Punjab will take less than 60 seconds to crash into the terror complex in Bahawalpur, Pakistan, giving no time to the jehadis to even say their prayers.

As Brahmos Corp General Manager P. Pathak told Defence iQ, "The (missile's) accuracy makes it especially useful in attacking military targets in urban areas where reduced collateral damage is a priority. Indeed, cruise missile technology has been developing alongside the rapid development of computer technology, positioning systems and propellant technology. As a result, India is able to field a system from the air, without the need for additional aircraft."

The BrahMos-A was first flight tested from a Sukhoi in July 2018 over the Bay of Bengal. The cruise missile will kick off its final developmental trials in later 2019, including two launches against a naval and a ground target. The IAF wants two squadrons of Sukhois to be modified to carry the BrahMos-A and the timeline for completing conversion is 2020.

While terror targets, such as Balakot, will be provided on a real time basis by Indian intelligence and space agencies, the war time targets are obvious. A two-squadron attack can within minutes utterly cripple Pakistan's command and control centres; nuclear power plants, including Kahuta where the so-called Islamic Bomb is manufactured; the Sargodha Central Ammunition Depot west of Lahore where these warheads are stored; ballistic missile bases in Gujranwala, Okara, Multan, Jhang and Dera Nawab Shah; Pakistani Army Corp headquarters in Rawalpindi; the Karachi Port, Pakistan's only major harbour and its Naval HQ; and ordinance factories that manufacture tanks and fighter aircraft.

In previous conflicts, the IAF avoided attacks on non-military infrastructure, with the political leadership believing that hitting civilian targets in Pakistan would anger Indian Muslims. So for instance, in the 1971 War, while the IAF and the Indian Navy attacked the oil storage farms in Karachi port - which burned for a week - they spared railway stations and airports.

The decision to equip the Sukhois with the BrahMos signals a new intent. Since the aircraft's radar can detect tall buildings at a distance of 400 km and small building at 120 km, in the next war expect a lot of damage to enemy infrastructure - dams, power stations, strategic bridges are all going to be included in the list of likely targets.

The supersonic BrahMos armed with a conventional warhead can theoretically penetrate hardened command, control and communication centres. However, there is no guarantee these targets will be 100 per cent destroyed unless the BrahMos is nuclear tipped. A pre-emptive nuclear strike will therefore ensure that Pakistan's offensive capability is effectively neutralised and it is never again a threat to India.

Against China, the Sukhoi-BrahMos tactic may not have the same impact as Chinese targets are located deep inland or on the east coast. However, Chinese military infrastructure in Tibet and its strategic railway lines connecting the illegally annexed province to the Han heartland can easily be destroyed should the dragon try and come to the aid of its client state Pakistan.

Indigenous innovation
The BrahMos-A is a slimmed down version of the original Brahmos cruise missile, but it is still a massive weapon weighing 2.5 tonnes. Because heavy modifications were necessary for integrating such a heavy missile onto the Su-30MKI, initially the Russians were reluctant to go along. But after HAL decided to go solo, Sukhoi - not wanting to miss out on juicy developmental contracts - came on board in 2011.
Modifications include reinforcing the aircraft's undercarriage in addition to various mechanical, electrical and software upgrades. The integration process also involves hardening the aircraft's electronic circuitry to withstand the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear blast, indicating that the BrahMos can be mated with a miniaturised nuclear warhead, if required.

According to Aviation Week, "Work is also underway on a modified lighter and smaller-diameter version of the BrahMos for deployment on the Indian navy's MiG-29K and, potentially, the Dassault Rafale." This is the BrahMos-NG (Next Generation), weighing around 1.5 tons, making it 50 per cent lighter and three meters shorter than its predecessor. Despite its compact size, 'BrahMos Lite' will be the fastest of them all at Mach 3.5 or 4,174 kph. As well as MiG-29s, it could become the standard air-to-surface strike weapon of the Tejas and Mirage fighters.
The next generation BrahMos will have a much longer range. And with the planned increase in speed, the missile will have considerably enhanced kinetic energy despite its smaller size optimised for relatively smaller aircraft.
Well before India was admitted into the Missile Technology Control Regime - a largely Western club which was aimed at restricting the range of Indian missiles to 300 km or less - the DRDO and its Russian partner NPO Mashinostroyeniya had decided to quietly increase the range, signalling the country's immunity from Western sanctions. In today's transformed geopolitical climate, with the US describing India as a trusted defence partner, there are no more such constraints. DRDO's Pathak says increasing the missile's range to 800 km is now possible after India's entry into the MTCR.

Sukhois as strategic platform
In September 2010 India's newly constituted tri-services Strategic Forces Command (SFC) submitted a proposal to the Defence Ministry for setting up two dedicated squadrons of aircraft comprising 40 Su-30MKI fighters. The task of this "mini air force" is to deliver nuclear weapons.

The picture became clearer in October 2012 when the Cabinet Committee on Security green lighted a programme to carry out structural and software modifications on 42 Su-30MKIs and acquire 216 air-launched BrahMos missiles. Until then, the BrahMos was for exclusive use by the Navy.

The Su-30MKI is an obvious choice. According to Strategy Page, "The SFC does not want untested fighters but the ones which can be relied upon to deliver nuclear-tipped missiles. The aircraft has a titanium airframe strong enough to fly a high-speed terrain following profile. The batch of 42 Sukhois will also have hardened electronic circuitry to shield them from the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear blast."

Having a dedicated aircraft for the nuclear attack role offers India's war planners strategic flexibility and increases the odds of success. Because ballistic missiles are used only as a weapon of last resort, they cannot really be deployed at will. Once released, they cannot be recalled and if shot down are not easily replaced. Fighter aircraft, on the other hand, can perform repeated sorties and be directed to bomb targets as they move. For instance, if Pakistan moves it warheads out of the Sargodha depot, which is presumably under constant watch by Indian satellites, the Sukhois can be vectored against military convoys transporting their nuclear cargo.

For those in the cross hairs of the BrahMos here's a message - don't bother to say your prayers, you won't have the time to finish.

The author is a New Zealand-based defence and foreign affairs analyst.

https://www.businesstoday.in/story/...airspace-look-like-swiss-cheese/1/347321.html

Brahmos na howa Chota Bheem ho gya..

 

[Ultima Thule]

Newbie is the one who started... not only off topic... completely derogatory too...

On second pilot... it was not India who claimed about having second pilot in hospital... it was Pakistan... so...

On topic...
SU 30 MKI + Brahmos is a deadly combination... integration of these systems will change the equation... I was replying to @MastanKhan as I ALWAYS want to know his point of view...

@MastanKhan and @gambit are the guys because of whom I'm on this forum... initially it was a place to DISCUSS things with FACTS... now it is mostly for TROLLS...

So if we claim 2nd pilots what is your problem then, and @MastanKhan narrative mostly suit you that's why you guys like him and @gambit is always gives technical/tactics about air warfare,he is one of my favorite poster also @Novice09

 

[SIPRA]

We already had a taste of swiss cheese on the 27 Feb, when there were clouds.

Clouds, with holes in them, also sometimes appear like Swiss cheese.

 

[Talon]

Hi,

It is a shame that pakistani posters are taking this threat lightly---. It is real---and it is extremely serious---.

Why do you guys think that I have been talking about a heavy strike aircraft for so many years---like the Jh7A---.

Just because you pakistani posters don't understand---and the Paf who has already wrapped itself in a defensive blanket---does not mean that the adversary also has---.

The standoff weapons war is going to be fought from standoff distances---.

Paf made a bad bad mistake by not engaging the enemy on the very first night---ie the 26th---.

The 27th has given the enemy new ideas---the enemy is not stupid---in their loss---they have learnt something new---.

In the last 5 years--pak military has badly fckd up pakistan thrice---. First not building a military for the gulf states on the start of the Yemen crisis---not being prepared to tackle the enemy on the 26th---and the strike on the 27th---.

With 150 K Battle group in the gulf states---pak military would have easily controlled the aggression of the enemy across the border---on three side---.

That battle group would have had all the elements of containing the primary enemy---.

The Sukhoi / Brahmos strike is just the opposite of what I had been talking for 10 years now---.

JH7A---with CM400AKG's or Babur cruise missiles---decimate coastline enemy cities---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch

You have been talking against PAF for many years but you were proved wrong and you are still trying to make Paf look bad.I saw your comment on another thread saying "Paf deliberately didn't reply to IAF on 26th and it had no guts or something like that". You wouldn't have said this if you had any direct contacts in PAF,it is my advice to you that kindly kindly find someone who is in the airforce and have a chat with them.I can assure you Paf pilots were in their cockpits ready with their H weapons just waiting for orders to attack on already selected targets,it was the government and the whole military who decided to wait for the morning,it wasn't just a decision of the Air Cheif Marshal like you always blame him.He chose to serve his country unlike you sitting in some gora country spitting venom at the age of 70 or whatever.

Now your reply will start from Hi,I am the master of all fields,first tell me your age and profession and then I'll talk accordingly.

 

[Novice09]

Another conspiracy theory by Indians,lots of Indians said that it was a anti aircraft gun hit,why you guys twisted theories so many times, in fact it was a BVR hit (SD-10) @Novice09

Well... I would believe the Indian SOURCE instead of a PAKISTANI... same goes for Pakistanis...

When you say MKI was downed... I have every reason to believe that Falcon was obliterated...

Things which are crystal clear:

1. IAF breached Pakistani air space... dropped bombs... came back without any opposition... PAF was sleeping...

2. PAF retaliated... next day... breached Indian air space... challenged... IAF lost one MiG 21 Bison... pilot captured and returned by Pakistan...

MKI downed... Falcon downed... blah blah blah... no end until proved with HARD EVIDENCE...

 

[Talon]

And I see old man on his menstrual cycle still blabbering about PAF and all Pakistani kids hahaha