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How a Sukhoi-BrahMos strike will make Pakistani airspace look like Swiss cheese

Hi,

It is a shame that pakistani posters are taking this threat lightly---. It is real---and it is extremely serious---.

Why do you guys think that I have been talking about a heavy strike aircraft for so many years---like the Jh7A---.

Just because you pakistani posters don't understand---and the Paf who has already wrapped itself in a defensive blanket---does not mean that the adversary also has---.

The standoff weapons war is going to be fought from standoff distances---.

Paf made a bad bad mistake by not engaging the enemy on the very first night---ie the 26th---.

The 27th has given the enemy new ideas---the enemy is not stupid---in their loss---they have learnt something new---.

In the last 5 years--pak military has badly fckd up pakistan thrice---. First not building a military for the gulf states on the start of the Yemen crisis---not being prepared to tackle the enemy on the 26th---and the strike on the 27th---.

With 150 K Battle group in the gulf states---pak military would have easily controlled the aggression of the enemy across the border---on three side---.

That battle group would have had all the elements of containing the primary enemy---.

The Sukhoi / Brahmos strike is just the opposite of what I had been talking for 10 years now---.

JH7A---with CM400AKG's or Babur cruise missiles---decimate coastline enemy cities---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch

As always, it is really good to listen and understand the advise of MASTAN KHAN...

people on PDF keep laughing and making fun... without understanding the facts...

26th was a Pakistani failure... and 27th was Indian... but believe me IAF HAS LEARNED ITS lessons...

1. Secure datalink
2. AWACS
3. BVR CAPABILITIES
4. don't believe USA

And I'm telling this after a detailed discussion with a MKI PILOT...

According to him... our biggest problem on that day was undermining 2 things...

1. Such swift reply by PAF
2. Their AWACS

He told me that PAF got broken ribs and several other INTERNAL INJURIES... But it was India who got visible INJURY...
 
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on 27th i think PAF played a practical joke on you guys! since you filths fnjoy raping woman in broad day light PAf entered deep inside you multiple jets like you filths do to woman!! we broke your seal dropped our payload made a mess inside you unzipped and returned safely!! so yeh seal not so impenetrable!

Do you mean to say, that the whole purpose, of 27 Feb venture, was to break the seal of "Bharat Mata".
 
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Do you mean to say, that the whole purpose, of 27 Feb venture, was to break the seal of "Bharat Mata".
"Mata ki khol di" yes if thats what you saying but Mata neech hai khulwa keh bol raha hai jai check karwa lo jai khuli!
 
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How a Sukhoi-BrahMos strike will make Pakistani airspace look like Swiss cheese
Rakesh Krishnan | New Delhi, Thursday, May 16, 2019 | 21:27 IST

India has signalled its intent to strike enemy targets with devastating force early on in a conflict. Following the success of the Balakot raid by 12 Mirage-2000 fighters using Israeli ground penetrator bombs, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to test fire the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from its Sukhoi Su-30MKI air dominance fighter. This will allow the IAF to carry out punitive air strikes deep in enemy territory from safe standoff distances.

The air-launched BrahMos-A has an estimated operational range of over 400 km and can be dropped from 1,640 to 46,000 feet. The missile, named after the Brahmaputra in India and the Moskva river in Russia, is currently the world's fastest cruise missile.

Individually, the Su-30 and BrahMos are powerful weapons. But when the one of the most supermanoeuvrable fighters in the world is armed with a uniquely destructive cruise missile, together they are a dramatic force multiplier.

The extended range of the BrahMos-A will allow IAF pilots to destroy Balakot type targets from at least 150 km within Indian territory. The Sukhois can also launch their missiles against Pakistani targets from the southwest while flying over international waters, thereby complicating the enemy's defences.

While Pakistani air defences - and its terrorists in Balakot - were literally caught napping during the February 26 raid, at least the Pakistani military woke up after the Indian bombs exploded, and the PAF was able to scramble a few jets. In theory, if the Pakistanis had detected the intrusion early, they could have alerted the jehadis to vacate the buildings. But a BrahMos-A barrage by Sukhois taking off from Halwara air base in Punjab will take less than 60 seconds to crash into the terror complex in Bahawalpur, Pakistan, giving no time to the jehadis to even say their prayers.

As Brahmos Corp General Manager P. Pathak told Defence iQ, "The (missile's) accuracy makes it especially useful in attacking military targets in urban areas where reduced collateral damage is a priority. Indeed, cruise missile technology has been developing alongside the rapid development of computer technology, positioning systems and propellant technology. As a result, India is able to field a system from the air, without the need for additional aircraft."

The BrahMos-A was first flight tested from a Sukhoi in July 2018 over the Bay of Bengal. The cruise missile will kick off its final developmental trials in later 2019, including two launches against a naval and a ground target. The IAF wants two squadrons of Sukhois to be modified to carry the BrahMos-A and the timeline for completing conversion is 2020.

While terror targets, such as Balakot, will be provided on a real time basis by Indian intelligence and space agencies, the war time targets are obvious. A two-squadron attack can within minutes utterly cripple Pakistan's command and control centres; nuclear power plants, including Kahuta where the so-called Islamic Bomb is manufactured; the Sargodha Central Ammunition Depot west of Lahore where these warheads are stored; ballistic missile bases in Gujranwala, Okara, Multan, Jhang and Dera Nawab Shah; Pakistani Army Corp headquarters in Rawalpindi; the Karachi Port, Pakistan's only major harbour and its Naval HQ; and ordinance factories that manufacture tanks and fighter aircraft.

In previous conflicts, the IAF avoided attacks on non-military infrastructure, with the political leadership believing that hitting civilian targets in Pakistan would anger Indian Muslims. So for instance, in the 1971 War, while the IAF and the Indian Navy attacked the oil storage farms in Karachi port - which burned for a week - they spared railway stations and airports.

The decision to equip the Sukhois with the BrahMos signals a new intent. Since the aircraft's radar can detect tall buildings at a distance of 400 km and small building at 120 km, in the next war expect a lot of damage to enemy infrastructure - dams, power stations, strategic bridges are all going to be included in the list of likely targets.

The supersonic BrahMos armed with a conventional warhead can theoretically penetrate hardened command, control and communication centres. However, there is no guarantee these targets will be 100 per cent destroyed unless the BrahMos is nuclear tipped. A pre-emptive nuclear strike will therefore ensure that Pakistan's offensive capability is effectively neutralised and it is never again a threat to India.

Against China, the Sukhoi-BrahMos tactic may not have the same impact as Chinese targets are located deep inland or on the east coast. However, Chinese military infrastructure in Tibet and its strategic railway lines connecting the illegally annexed province to the Han heartland can easily be destroyed should the dragon try and come to the aid of its client state Pakistan.

Indigenous innovation
The BrahMos-A is a slimmed down version of the original Brahmos cruise missile, but it is still a massive weapon weighing 2.5 tonnes. Because heavy modifications were necessary for integrating such a heavy missile onto the Su-30MKI, initially the Russians were reluctant to go along. But after HAL decided to go solo, Sukhoi - not wanting to miss out on juicy developmental contracts - came on board in 2011.
Modifications include reinforcing the aircraft's undercarriage in addition to various mechanical, electrical and software upgrades. The integration process also involves hardening the aircraft's electronic circuitry to withstand the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear blast, indicating that the BrahMos can be mated with a miniaturised nuclear warhead, if required.

According to Aviation Week, "Work is also underway on a modified lighter and smaller-diameter version of the BrahMos for deployment on the Indian navy's MiG-29K and, potentially, the Dassault Rafale." This is the BrahMos-NG (Next Generation), weighing around 1.5 tons, making it 50 per cent lighter and three meters shorter than its predecessor. Despite its compact size, 'BrahMos Lite' will be the fastest of them all at Mach 3.5 or 4,174 kph. As well as MiG-29s, it could become the standard air-to-surface strike weapon of the Tejas and Mirage fighters.
The next generation BrahMos will have a much longer range. And with the planned increase in speed, the missile will have considerably enhanced kinetic energy despite its smaller size optimised for relatively smaller aircraft.
Well before India was admitted into the Missile Technology Control Regime - a largely Western club which was aimed at restricting the range of Indian missiles to 300 km or less - the DRDO and its Russian partner NPO Mashinostroyeniya had decided to quietly increase the range, signalling the country's immunity from Western sanctions. In today's transformed geopolitical climate, with the US describing India as a trusted defence partner, there are no more such constraints. DRDO's Pathak says increasing the missile's range to 800 km is now possible after India's entry into the MTCR.

Sukhois as strategic platform
In September 2010 India's newly constituted tri-services Strategic Forces Command (SFC) submitted a proposal to the Defence Ministry for setting up two dedicated squadrons of aircraft comprising 40 Su-30MKI fighters. The task of this "mini air force" is to deliver nuclear weapons.

The picture became clearer in October 2012 when the Cabinet Committee on Security green lighted a programme to carry out structural and software modifications on 42 Su-30MKIs and acquire 216 air-launched BrahMos missiles. Until then, the BrahMos was for exclusive use by the Navy.

The Su-30MKI is an obvious choice. According to Strategy Page, "The SFC does not want untested fighters but the ones which can be relied upon to deliver nuclear-tipped missiles. The aircraft has a titanium airframe strong enough to fly a high-speed terrain following profile. The batch of 42 Sukhois will also have hardened electronic circuitry to shield them from the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear blast."

Having a dedicated aircraft for the nuclear attack role offers India's war planners strategic flexibility and increases the odds of success. Because ballistic missiles are used only as a weapon of last resort, they cannot really be deployed at will. Once released, they cannot be recalled and if shot down are not easily replaced. Fighter aircraft, on the other hand, can perform repeated sorties and be directed to bomb targets as they move. For instance, if Pakistan moves it warheads out of the Sargodha depot, which is presumably under constant watch by Indian satellites, the Sukhois can be vectored against military convoys transporting their nuclear cargo.

For those in the cross hairs of the BrahMos here's a message - don't bother to say your prayers, you won't have the time to finish.

The author is a New Zealand-based defence and foreign affairs analyst.

https://www.businesstoday.in/story/...airspace-look-like-swiss-cheese/1/347321.html
You mean 27 feb
 
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India also learned it can't rely on SU-30 which the article is hyping up to no end.

Why else is Modi's chadi on fire for Rafales? :lol:
 
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An in retaliation Pakistan Airforce will roast Indian Airspace like a juicy Beef steak

Hmm that sounds scary, but our borders are sealed and we will shot anyone trying to enter India, sorry we wont take either of your refugees or your nukes...:angel:
not long ago 24 fully armed Jets entered your India in broad daylight and bombed the hell out of your defenses and returned back without even scratch so save this big talk for later
 
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not long ago 24 fully armed Jets entered your India in broad daylight and bombed the hell out of your defenses and returned back without even scratch so save this big talk for later
Only 2 entered that too by only 3 km.
And a the bombs failed to cause any damage.

By putting brahmos on su 30 india in future will get a small proportion of capability pak developed 20 years ago when it put raad on mirages
India Already got ALCM capability in 2000 after Russia delivered 200+ KH-59 ALCM.
More were ordered later.
 
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I misread that thinking it said "Suzuki barhmos" it might as well be Suzuki barhmos at this point.
 
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jf 17 pilot told me he went so deep into Matas vagina that she wont be able to give birth for next few years!!

I do hope that Chinese and KSA along with IMF are proving enough money to keep beggar away for a year or so...

You should have talked to DG ISPR AND IK about the second pilot too... hope they won't lie to you...

Plus, Mirage went deeper... but USA AND CHINA had already expanded something too much... and only sh!T can come out from it now... NOTHING ELSE...
 
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Hi,

It is a shame that pakistani posters are taking this threat lightly---. It is real---and it is extremely serious---.

Why do you guys think that I have been talking about a heavy strike aircraft for so many years---like the Jh7A---.

Just because you pakistani posters don't understand---and the Paf who has already wrapped itself in a defensive blanket---does not mean that the adversary also has---.

The standoff weapons war is going to be fought from standoff distances---.

Paf made a bad bad mistake by not engaging the enemy on the very first night---ie the 26th---.

The 27th has given the enemy new ideas---the enemy is not stupid---in their loss---they have learnt something new---.

In the last 5 years--pak military has badly fckd up pakistan thrice---. First not building a military for the gulf states on the start of the Yemen crisis---not being prepared to tackle the enemy on the 26th---and the strike on the 27th---.

With 150 K Battle group in the gulf states---pak military would have easily controlled the aggression of the enemy across the border---on three side---.

That battle group would have had all the elements of containing the primary enemy---.

The Sukhoi / Brahmos strike is just the opposite of what I had been talking for 10 years now---.

JH7A---with CM400AKG's or Babur cruise missiles---decimate coastline enemy cities---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch

@MastanKhan I have argued with the members the mistake of 26th to the death, trying to convince them that Pakistan should have gone hard and attack Indian jets hard. Many here said that PAF didn't do it because by the time PAF was in the air, the Indians jets already crossed back to Indian control air space and to strike them in Indian air space would have been declaration of War.

I argued and can only laugh at such comments. The Indians came in to your airspace with the intentions of war, dropped bombs on your territory, that is not war!!! PAF should have shoot down Indian jets even if they have crossed the LOC back to Indian controlled airspace. No mercy. Remember you are already at war when someone cross your airspace with hostile intentions and plans.

On 27th, I think instead of firing the H4 on empty spaces next to their targets, they should have hit the targets, including Bipin and killed him. That would have send a devastating message to the India that it should not cross Pakistani borders, by air or by land. Period.
 
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Hi,

This article is not laughable---. This article is a reality in reverse of what I have been stating here for years now---.

The writer has taken my articles of heavy strike aircraft launching air to surface missiles from standoff distances---.

What is laughable about that---?

What is laughable about a SU30 flying at 50000 ft altitude at 100 Km inside the boundary line and launching a supersonic cruise missile that has a range of 400 km's---.

Please tell me what is laughable about that---.

What is laughable is the drama that the PAF has created---" we want to stay as a defensive air force " and the pakistanis have bought into it hook line and sinker---.



Hi,

How are you going to take out the whole base---.

How are you going to take out the enemy aircraft which has stayed 100 Km within its boundary---.

What do you think---enemy is going to launch one aircraft at a time and launch one missile---.

You need to go back and read the article---.
Ok we take a King size quilt and hide.
You know I have the same question for you what JH 7 would have done this aircraft?
You tell me what we should do if not try to take proactive stance. Once that plane has delivered the missiles then not much can be done by anybody.
 
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