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Who was really responsible for the Golden Age?


Golden Era Muslims were focused on 'Islamic Logic and Philosophy' heavily drawing thought from ancient Greek and Indian Philosophers. They believed that although the Koran was the word of God, it should be presented against logic and interpreted as such.

This was the prime thought of the ruling state at the time, the Abbasids. In the 8th century, Calif Haroun Al-Rashid started the mass translation movement in Basra. He made it a state objective to translate books from all over the world in the areas of logic, science, maths, philosophy and logic and other areas of knowledge.

This was the cause that led to the establishment of the House of Learning in Baghdad. The House of Learning was designed to be a wonderful and most intellectual place where people of all faith and cultures were able to freely and openly engage in debate and learning. It did not place restrictions on religion, as evidenced by the number of Chinese, Jews, Hindus and Christians resident.

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The House of Wisdom

The convenience of having all the worlds knowledge in one language allowed the polymath to create and innovate and invent all the successes we hear about today from the Golden Age. It was considered the world first 'Wikipedia', where knowledge from many sources around the world were translated into Arabic.

Golden Era Muslims rejected the idea of consensus (Tiklit). This means they believed each person should directly derive their own faith from the Koran themselves, without inter-mediation, hence totally rejecting the idea of clergy or scholarship that modern Muslim originate their faith from.

Golden Era Islam rejected the idea of Tiklit. But Muslims today practise Tiklit.

Tiklit is when an average ordinary street Muslim or majority of Muslims cannot themselves extract knowledge from the Koran directly, they then rely on a scholar to formulate matters on faith and issues pertaining to life including rituals, basic belief, prayer, social life, law, political ideas, responsibilities and everything in-between.

Tiklit thought was never practised even though Ahmad ibn Hanbal proposed an opposition movement calling this learning religious heresy. Al-Ghazali, who was imprisoned, also proposed an opposition movement calling this religious heresy, with his religious decree 'Incoherence of Philosophers', which effectively called for banning the study of mathematics, the foundation of science.

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Ibn Rushid (Averroes)

Al-Ghazali was refuted in 'The Incoherence of the Incoherence' by Averroes (Ibn Rushid) in Golden Era Andalusia. Golden Era thought continued in Andalusia and led to the European Enlightenment, after the destruction of the library.

In 1258, the Mongols entered the city, starting a full week of pillage and destruction. The books from libraries were thrown into the Tigris River in such quantities that the river ran black with the ink from the books. This was the end of the Golden Age.

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The Siege of Baghdad

Wahhabism is the direct ideological descendent of Ahmad ibn Hanbal. Traditional Islamic schools of thought, such as Sunni, also promote Tiklit thought and are the direct ideological descendant of anti-Golden Era Islam.

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Modern Traditional Islamic Scholars

Since the fall of the library in 1258, there has been practically zero development in the Islamic world and great changes in ideas of what it means to be a Muslim.
 
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1258 ending the Islamic golden age is nothing more than a Arab centric lie and orientalist backpedal.

Lets all ignore the Mamluks, Ottomans, Mughals, Timurids, Safavids and Granada.
 
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Its pretty clear, backed up by historical evidence.

Nah al gazali is not responsible for anything.

Neither was 1258.

Islamic World declined due to numerous reasons. Nowadays historians dont take 1258 or neil tysons video seriously.
 
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Before 1258 the Abbassid Empire was in decline due to its decline it also effected the house of wisdom. What the Mongols destroyed was a declining learning place.
 
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He is wrong about blaming Imam Ghazali for this.


No, you've missed the whole point. The issue at heart is the issue of Tiklit, which Al-Ghazali was firm supporter of, along with Ahmad ibn Hanbal. The Mongols sealed the fate of the Golden Era with the library destruction. This video didn't address this issue. The video's critique is disingenuous.

Before 1258 the Abbassid Empire was in decline due to its decline it also effected the house of wisdom. What the Mongols destroyed was a declining learning place.

You've missed the point. The point is the point of Tiklit, when came about, the decline happened. Mongols (even Muslim Mongols) forced this under their rule, and went on to burn all books that disagreed with them, which was the entire House of Wisdom.

Perspective on Rational Theology from a non-supporter of Rational Theology

Reading: ʿIlm al-Kalām -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasil_ibn_Ata
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muʿtazila
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqidah


Al-Ghazali, held the view that the science of 'Ilm al-Kalam, the normality of that time, is not a duty on Muslim. He discouraged the masses from studying it. He is considered 'the reviver' or the Islamic reformer. Thus, by contributing to the creation of the aqa'id (In Qawa‘id al-Aqa’id - Foundations of Islamic Belief 'Aqidah') and removing 'Ilm al-Kalam from the Islamic World, he would be significant in the events that lead to the downfall of the Golden Era.
 
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Imam Al Gazali showed to us that greek philosophy was a waste of time.

Decline of science can be mainly attributed due to many factors this includes ultra conservatism.
 
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Imam Al Gazali showed to us that greek philosophy was a waste of time.

Decline of science can be mainly attributed due to many factors this includes ultra conservatism.


Al Ghazali destroyed Greece philosophy, but he rised the logic. Like ther was much to be learned from Greece Philosophy? Even Ibni Sina made a turn back about philosophy no body talks about it. Not only Ghazali attacked ibni sina, you can read Sjahristani book rejection of ibni Sina. If you ask these people what did Ghazali rejected about Ibni Sina book they will not able to give you answer. Ghazali have never rejected Mathematics and other sciences, people are fabricating lies.

Until today ther are many logic books in the Islamic world, the most populair is Isagoci fil Mantiq book. The most stupid thing is, people are making philosophy something like age of enlightment:-). Did they ver read a philosophy book?

The last enlightment book i have bought is Turkish, from Elmali Hamdi Yazir:-). Metalib ve Mezahib, Metaphysic and Theology, important book but not translated in other languages unfortunately. Because of political reason is most of his books forgotten, should be give lesson in schools.
 
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