Hong Kong's Chinese loyalists make their voices heard | ABC News

[Mista]

For my understanding, the banner was set up by a different group of people the day before.

Yep, it is. But those pro-mainland activists didn't realize that and someone took a photo of it. The pro-CCP newspaper misunderstood the situation and the rest is history.

Did their queen give them a congress and allow them to choose their own leaders? Stockholm syndrome, nothing more.

I'm not a HKer so I can't represent them. But from what I gather, it seems like Tiananmen is a major turning point for many HKers in the pursuit of democracy. Especially how Beijing tried to cover up which IMO is a very foolish move as more people get more distrustful. Even Jin Yong, who's very Chinese in thinking, cried and expressed disappointment at the incident.

You may argue that they are brainwashed or naive or fake news or whatever, but well, that's that. Many HKers from all ages, or pro-establishment/pro-democracy, believe that the tanks would have been rolled in long ago if not for the fact that they are a SAR and simply censor any alternative views.

 

[haidian]

I'm not a HKer so I can't represent them. But from what I gather, it seems like Tiananmen is a major turning point for many HKers in the pursuit of democracy. Especially how Beijing tried to cover up which IMO is a very foolish move as more people get more distrustful. Even Jin Yong, who's very Chinese in thinking, cried and expressed disappointment at the incident.
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Most protesters are young people who were born long after 1989 Tiananmen year, so saying that's a turning point is a joke, and most who supported the government are those who were young in 1989 and they saw first hand how China developed and how it turned out to be the most correct action that the Chinese government made, that's why people from this age group support the government the most.

You may argue that they are brainwashed or naive or fake news or whatever, but well, that's that. Many HKers from all ages, or pro-establishment/pro-democracy, believe that the tanks would have been rolled in long ago if not for the fact that they are a SAR and simply censor any alternative views.

British killed many Hong kongers during multiple incidents in the history,so crackdowns are not new to them, but none of those crackdown were made by PRC.

On May 30, 1925, Sikh police under British command opened fire on a crowd of Chinese demonstrators at the Shanghai International Settlement. At least 9 demonstrators were killed, and many others wounded. Escalating the incident, on June 23, 1925, a heated demonstration in Shamian (then spelled Shameen) took place as part of the Shakee massacre.Troops under foreign command killed more than 50 Chinese protesters and wounded almost 120 more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton–Hong_Kong_strike

 

[Mista]

Most protesters are young people who were born long after 1989 Tiananmen year, so saying that's a turning point is a joke, and most who supported the government are those who were young in 1989 and they saw first hand how China developed and how it turned out to be the most correct action that the Chinese government made, that's why people from this age group support the government the most.

That's like saying Deng opening up China is not a turning point for many young Chinese today because they weren't born yet. Are you serious or acting dumb with me?

When I say turning point, I don't mean just attitudes of that generation. It includes the shaping of the whole societal narrative for subsequent political discourse, and HK's youth is definitely shaped by it.

Most protesters are young people who were born long after 1989 Tiananmen year, so saying that's a turning point is a joke, and most who supported the government are those who were young in 1989 and they saw first hand how China developed and how it turned out to be the most correct action that the Chinese government made, that's why people from this age group support the government the most.


British killed many Hong kongers during multiple incidents in the history,so crackdowns are not new to them, but none of those crackdown were made by PRC.

On May 30, 1925, Sikh police under British command opened fire on a crowd of Chinese demonstrators at the Shanghai International Settlement. At least 9 demonstrators were killed, and many others wounded. Escalating the incident, on June 23, 1925, a heated demonstration in Shamian (then spelled Shameen) took place as part of the Shakee massacre.Troops under foreign command killed more than 50 Chinese protesters and wounded almost 120 more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton–Hong_Kong_strike

Look, I don't care about defending the British here but 1925... You might as well say the rest of the world should continue hating on Germany and Japan for the atrocities they committed in WW2. Or how white Americans killed the native Indians. Oh wait.

The UK doesn't even have universal suffrage back in 1925.

 

[haidian]

That's like saying Deng opening up China is not a turning point for many young Chinese today because they weren't born yet. Are you serious or acting dumb with me?

When I say turning point, I don't mean just attitudes of that generation. It includes the shaping of the whole societal narrative for subsequent political discourse, and HK's youth is definitely shaped by it.

No,you are playing dumb with me, a turning point is mostly for people who are alive when the event happens and the thing changed their past ideas, those young guys were not even born in 1989, what ideas they can change? and as I mentioned, those who supported the government were the real Tiananmen generation, so turning point is in favor of the Chinese government.

The UK doesn't even have universal suffrage back in 1925.

And in 1967, but that's true, they just did what they had to do, same is true with the Chinese government, bringing law and order back.

 

[Mista]

No,you are playing dumb with me, a turning point is mostly for people who are alive when the event happens and the thing changed their past ideas, those young guys were not even born in 1989, what ideas they can change? and as I mentioned, those who supported the government were the real Tiananmen generation, so turning point is in favor of the Chinese government.

Okay, I'm sure you're right that the Tiananmen incident has no influence on the political discourse in HK today and on the shaping of thinking of the present generation. It's all biased and fake news. HKers from the previous generation support CCP because China's economy grew exponentially.

 

[haidian]

Okay, I'm sure you're right that the Tiananmen incident has no influence on the political discourse in HK today and on the shaping of thinking of the present generation. It's all fake news. HKers from the previous generation support CCP because China's economy grew exponentially.

Yes, mostly is like this, many who were against the government now looking back changed their opinions, people's opinions change with time and experience.

Do you know how many of those who participated Tiananmen movement still believe it was right, I can tell you, very very few, most of them changed.

Young Chinese people almost all support the Chinese government, they were taught by their parents to do so and their parents are the Tiananmen generation.

 

[Mista]

Yes, mostly is like this, many who were against the government now looking back changed their opinions, people's opinions change with time and experience.

Do you know how many of those who participated Tiananmen movement still believe it was right, I can tell you, very very few, most of them changed.

Young Chinese people almost all support the Chinese government, they were taught by their parents to do so and their parents are the Tiananmen generation.

Dude, I'm not talking about mainland China which experienced phenomenal economic growth for the past decades and for which many are grateful, naturally.

I'm talking about HK, which is already economically developed and is the cultural hub of Asia back in 1989. You can't use your standards in the mainland on HK, because they did not experienced the phenomenal uplift in living standards China did after 1989.

 

[haidian]

Dude, I'm not talking about mainland China which experienced phenomenal economic growth for the past decades and for which many are grateful, naturally.

I'm talking about HK, which is already economically developed and is the cultural hub of Asia back in 1989. You can't use your standards in the mainland on HK, because they did not experienced the phenomenal uplift in living standards China did after 1989.

I mean those Hong kongers who supported the government are middle aged, young Hong kongers knew little about what was like in 1989, their minds had never been turned, their parents minds could be turned by that movement.

 

[Mista]

I mean those Hong kongers who supported the government are middle aged, young Hong kongers knew little about what was like in 1989, their minds had never been turned, their parents minds could be turned by that movement.

I'm not so sure about that. HK has always been protesting since the British times and I can't be sure that such a group of people are fond of CCP's style of governance.

For the youth, they are definitely shaped by the subsequent political narratives on Tiananmen in HK. Just look at HK's youth on other internet platforms; it's the major sore point and they almost always cite how Beijing successfully censors Tiananmen as an example of how HK could be.

 

[haidian]

For the youth, they are definitely shaped by the subsequent political narratives on Tiananmen in HK. Just look at HK's youth on other internet platforms; it's the major sore point and they almost always cite how Beijing successfully censors Tiananmen as an example of how HK could be.

If so their minds are always like that, never changed, their parents minds can be changed by Tiananmen movement with time, but not theirs, they never liked PRC.

 

[Nan Yang]

Lol I saw someone sharing this:

And from a pro-CCP newspaper?

This is hard to understand. At least they wave the flag of their own country. Would waving a foreign flag make you more patriotic ?

 

[Mista]

This is hard to understand. At least they wave the flag of their own country. Would waving a foreign flag make you more patriotic ?

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It's from a pro-CCP newspaper. It thinks having a banner of 'democracy' is 假爱国，天理不容, cockroaches. That's how it thinks.

 

[Brainsucker]

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It's from a pro-CCP newspaper. It thinks having a banner of 'democracy' is 假爱国，天理不容, cockroaches. That's how it thinks.

Well, at least they wave the flags of their own country. This group of people are pure protesters. Unlike some other group that wave another countries flag, and their leader ask other countries to intervene.

What would you feel, if some Singaporean protest and wave the flag of Indonesian and Malaysia, and ask us to intervene to your country internal politic? Or wave Indian flag and ask India to intervene?

For me, Joshua Wong and his group of protesters are not protester. They are separatist.

 

[Mista]

Well, at least they wave the flags of their own country. This group of people are pure protesters. Unlike some other group that wave another countries flag, and their leader ask other countries to intervene.

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Do you guys even bother finding out the story or read the thread?

This group of people aren't even protesters demanding for democracy. They are just there waving the flag of China. The pro-democracy banner is hung by the protesters the previous day, and those waving the flag didn't realize there was a banner.

Someone from faraway took a photo of it and shared on the internet. The pro-CCP newspaper like you guys didn't bother to fact-find and jumped into conclusions. It condemn those waving the flags as 假爱国，天理不容, 'shameless cockroaches'. That's the irony.

So your following message should be directed at the newspaper, not me. They are using strong language against those 'protesters' who are waving the PRC flag and with a pro-democracy banner (which isn't hung by them).

Well, at least they wave the flags of their own country. This group of people are pure protesters. Unlike some other group that wave another countries flag, and their leader ask other countries to intervene.

What would you feel, if some Singaporean protest and wave the flag of Indonesian and Malaysia, and ask us to intervene to your country internal politic? Or wave Indian flag and ask India to intervene?

 

[Brainsucker]

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Do you guys even bother finding out the story or read the thread?

This group of people aren't even protesters demanding for democracy. They are just there waving the flag of China. The pro-democracy banner is hung by the protesters the previous day, and those waving the flag didn't realize there was a banner.

Someone from faraway took a photo of it and shared on the internet. The pro-CCP newspaper like you guys didn't bother to fact-find and jumped into conclusions. It condemn those waving the flags as 假爱国，天理不容, 'shameless cockroaches'. That's the irony.

So your following message should be directed at the newspaper, not me. They are using strong language against those 'protesters' who are waving the PRC flag and with a pro-democracy banner (which isn't hung by them).

Who care about those stupid newspaper. Even if those people really protest, but they're simply protesting. At least they still think that China is their own motherland. It's different to Joshua Wong protesters who are basically separatists.