Hong Kong Protest Against Extradition Proposal Draws Hundreds of Thousands

[Feng Leng]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-with-sino-british-declaration-idUSKCN1TD1G6

“We are concerned about potential effects of these proposals particularly obviously given the large number of British citizens there are in Hong Kong,” May told parliament.

“But it is vital that those extradition arrangements in Hong Kong are in line with the rights and freedoms that were set down in the Sino-British joint declaration.”

Beijing has royally screwed this one up. Treating the traitors with kid gloves demonstrates weakness and now even foreign countries have decided to support the traitors. There is nothing magical protecting the traitors, just give them one bullet in the forehead each. The problem is solved overnight! Foreign adversaries will immediately stand down in the face of bold action!

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/e...s-boo-china-national-anthem-as-protests-swell

HONG KONG (AFP) - Hong Kong football fans booed the Chinese national anthem and held signs opposing government plans to allow extraditions to the mainland at a home match against Taiwan on Tuesday night (June 11).

The fan protest came as the international hub was rocked once more by huge anti-government protests with record marches over the weekend and demonstrators seizing major highways on Wednesday morning.

The latest protests have been sparked by a proposal to allow criminals to be rendered to China for the first time.

Many are fearful the proposed law will drag people into the mainland's opaque courts in politically motivated trials and hammer Hong Kong's reputation as an international business hub.

Footage posted on social media from Hong Kong's 0-2 defeat by Taiwan on Tuesday night showed fans booing loudly as China's "March of the Volunteers" anthem was played.

Fans have booed the national anthem for years but it has become much more commonplace ever since huge pro-democracy protests in 2014 failed to win any concessions from Beijing.

China bristles at any disrespect of its anthem and has fine-tuned legislation on the proper way and place to sing the anthem, tightening rules that already bar people from performing it at parties, weddings and funerals.

Earlier this year, Hong Kong unveiled a proposed law that would punish anyone who disrespects the Chinese national anthem with up to three years in jail.

The legislation, which specifically mentions fan behaviour at football matches as part of its justification, is still making its way through the city's Parliament.

A draft Bill showed that the city planned to copy the mainland by bringing in a maximum three year prison sentence for "serious" cases of disrespect towards the national anthem.

The draft outlaws playing the anthem "in a distorted or disrespectful way, with intent to insult". It also forbids altering the anthem's lyrics and its score. As well as possible jail time, offenders will also face fines of up to HK$50,000 (S$8,720).

The situation is beginning to snowball and Beijing is to blame. Round up the traitors and execute them now!

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Lol, the only one suffering from inferiority complex is you. Our civilization is too diverse and too large to be defined by any one dynasty. But India's most defining figure has been Asoka and his propagation of Buddhism to areas as far as Japan. Mughals too contributed to the sciences and arts, more than the Marathas did. If names are reverted back to their older names, that's merely correction not imposition. You may have forgotten your history or tried to forget your Indic roots. That's a reflection of your inferiority complex. We really can't help you there.


Lol. Clearly someone who doesn't know how judiciary works.

Change the names if you wish, to further deny Mughal and British contributions to your country. Allahabad, Faizabad, Bombay, Madras.... They used to mean something and evoke the history of Mughal and British eras, where these places became something more than simple encampments. But if you're not proud of those contributions due to hypersensitivity and misplaced political correctness, so be it, nobody can stop you. But clearly it is evidence of an inferiority complex. Here in Europe people are proud of even brutal invaders who ultimately brought some major changes to their countries. Vikings and Romans are well respected here, despite their historical brutality. So why does India villify mughals? You really should celebrate them - along with the British to a lesser degree - as the builders of your nation state.

 

[Jackdaws]

Change the names if you wish, to further deny Mughal and British contributions to your country. Allahabad, Faizabad, Bombay, Madras.... They used to mean something and evoke the history of Mughal and British eras, where these places became something more than simple encampments. But if you're not proud of those contributions due to hypersensitivity and misplaced political correctness, so be it, nobody can stop you. But clearly it is evidence of an inferiority complex. Here in Europe people are proud of even brutal invaders who ultimately brought some major changes to their countries. Vikings and Romans are well respected here, despite their historical brutality. So why does India villify mughals? You really should celebrate them - along with the British to a lesser degree - as the builders of your nation state.

Oh, of course we must celebrate Mughals and their achievements. Akbar is considered as one of the greatest rulers. Brits contribution to Western law and democracy is also appreciated. Goa is more like Portugal than India in terms of architecture, names etc. Of course, not all Mughals are celebrated - aurangzeb is not.

 

[aziqbal]

China needs to come down hard on these protesters

 

[JSCh]

800,000 say 'yes' to rendition bill | chinadaily.com.cn
Updated: 2019-06-10 07:22
By Li Bingcun in Hong Kong(HK Edition)

Despite the blazing heat, representatives of various organizations in Hong Kong rose to the occasion on Sunday, staging various public activities across the city in support of the government's plans to amend the SAR's extradition laws.

Members of Safeguard HK, Support the Surrender of Fugitive Offenders Legislation group marched to Central Government Offices in Admiralty, urging the government to enact the new laws to uphold the rule of law and protect public security.

By midnight more than 800,000 people had pledged support in a city-wide signature campaign online and at street stands, organized by a local alliance of prominent political, business and legal figures, countering a protest by about 240,000 people on Sunday to oppose the revised extradition bill, according to the police.

On Sunday afternoon, two fleets of fishing boats sailed through Victoria Harbour in a two-hour sea parade organized by the Hong Kong Fishermen Consortium, displaying banners with slogans in support of the bill.

There were also more than 20 LED displays across the city, including some in bustling business districts like Causeway Bay, Tsim Sha Tsui and Wan Chai, with slogans, info-graphics and videos backing the amendments.

bingcun@chinadailyhk.com

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Twenty-six fishing boats co-initiated by the Hong Kong Fishermen Consortium sail through Victoria Harbour on Sunday, pledging the fishery sector's support for the extradition bill. Photos by Edmond Tang, Roy Liu / China Daily

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Members of the public gather in front of Hong Kong Police Headquarters in Wan Chai to condemn the two petrol bomb attacks on a police vehicle and a police station on Friday.

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Website for voting (only for people with HK ID no.) for Safeguard HK -> 保公義撐修例大聯盟 - 官方網站

The vote no. is just now --> 918,919

 

[Feng Leng]

800,000 say 'yes' to rendition bill | chinadaily.com.cn
Updated: 2019-06-10 07:22
By Li Bingcun in Hong Kong(HK Edition)

Despite the blazing heat, representatives of various organizations in Hong Kong rose to the occasion on Sunday, staging various public activities across the city in support of the government's plans to amend the SAR's extradition laws.

Members of Safeguard HK, Support the Surrender of Fugitive Offenders Legislation group marched to Central Government Offices in Admiralty, urging the government to enact the new laws to uphold the rule of law and protect public security.

By midnight more than 800,000 people had pledged support in a city-wide signature campaign online and at street stands, organized by a local alliance of prominent political, business and legal figures, countering a protest by about 240,000 people on Sunday to oppose the revised extradition bill, according to the police.

On Sunday afternoon, two fleets of fishing boats sailed through Victoria Harbour in a two-hour sea parade organized by the Hong Kong Fishermen Consortium, displaying banners with slogans in support of the bill.

There were also more than 20 LED displays across the city, including some in bustling business districts like Causeway Bay, Tsim Sha Tsui and Wan Chai, with slogans, info-graphics and videos backing the amendments.

bingcun@chinadailyhk.com

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Twenty-six fishing boats co-initiated by the Hong Kong Fishermen Consortium sail through Victoria Harbour on Sunday, pledging the fishery sector's support for the extradition bill. Photos by Edmond Tang, Roy Liu / China Daily

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Members of the public gather in front of Hong Kong Police Headquarters in Wan Chai to condemn the two petrol bomb attacks on a police vehicle and a police station on Friday.

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News above is from past Sunday, before the protest in the main thread.

Website for voting (only for people with HK ID no.) for Safeguard HK -> 保公義撐修例大聯盟 - 官方網站

The vote no. is just now --> 918,919

Why does a government action need direct popular justification? The government action is justified already by the HKSAR Basic Law. An unnecessary petition just makes the government look weak and indecisive.

 

[JSCh]

Why does a government action need direct popular justification? The government action is justified already by the HKSAR Basic Law. An unnecessary petition just makes the government look weak and indecisive.

I don't think it would hurt.

It allow HK citizen that is concern about what the protester is doing to the city, to have a venue to express their objection.

That would at least let others including the protester know.

The vote count is now --> 924,071.

 

[bbccdd1470]

China needs to come down hard on these protesters

Actually they did in yesterday protest, this time Bejing do not care how the West think compared to in 2014. The West will now use media to blame HK gov't and HK police used exceed force on the protestors that were peaceful, as the usual trick was using in Ukraine, Syria and Venezuela etc. Well I guess the West have to do what they must in order to protect their Spy network.

800,000 say 'yes' to rendition bill | chinadaily.com.cn
Updated: 2019-06-10 07:22
By Li Bingcun in Hong Kong(HK Edition)

Despite the blazing heat, representatives of various organizations in Hong Kong rose to the occasion on Sunday, staging various public activities across the city in support of the government's plans to amend the SAR's extradition laws.

Members of Safeguard HK, Support the Surrender of Fugitive Offenders Legislation group marched to Central Government Offices in Admiralty, urging the government to enact the new laws to uphold the rule of law and protect public security.

By midnight more than 800,000 people had pledged support in a city-wide signature campaign online and at street stands, organized by a local alliance of prominent political, business and legal figures, countering a protest by about 240,000 people on Sunday to oppose the revised extradition bill, according to the police.

On Sunday afternoon, two fleets of fishing boats sailed through Victoria Harbour in a two-hour sea parade organized by the Hong Kong Fishermen Consortium, displaying banners with slogans in support of the bill.

There were also more than 20 LED displays across the city, including some in bustling business districts like Causeway Bay, Tsim Sha Tsui and Wan Chai, with slogans, info-graphics and videos backing the amendments.

bingcun@chinadailyhk.com

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Twenty-six fishing boats co-initiated by the Hong Kong Fishermen Consortium sail through Victoria Harbour on Sunday, pledging the fishery sector's support for the extradition bill. Photos by Edmond Tang, Roy Liu / China Daily

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Members of the public gather in front of Hong Kong Police Headquarters in Wan Chai to condemn the two petrol bomb attacks on a police vehicle and a police station on Friday.

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Website for voting (only for people with HK ID no.) for Safeguard HK -> 保公義撐修例大聯盟 - 官方網站

The vote no. is just now --> 918,919

Actually the opposition and its supportors is now spreading fake information which the signing and voting is fake, and keep saying the protest was 1.03 million people, where in fact the road won't able keep that much of people, in soical media to mislead the normal people in other countries.

 

[JSCh]

Police fired 150 rounds of tear gas during Hong Kong’s extradition bill protests, almost double amount fired during whole of Occupy movement | South China Morning Post

• Commissioner of Police Stephen Lo says 11 people arrested over Wednesday’s clashes
• Lo denies police used excessive force and says equipment deployed in line with overseas standards

Ng Kang-chung
Christy Leung
Published: 6:20pm, 13 Jun, 2019

Tear gas is fired outside Pacific Place in Admiralty. Photo: Nora Tam

Police fired more than 150 rounds of tear gas, “several” rubber bullets and about 20 beanbag rounds to suppress protesters during Wednesday’s violent clashes around the Legislative Council complex and roads in Admiralty, the police chief has said.

During the Occupy protests in 2014, police fired 87 rounds of tear gas to disperse crowds at the start of the rally. There was no report of police using rubber bullets or beanbag rounds.

Eleven people were arrested for offences including disorderly behaviour in a public place, illegal assembly, assaulting police others and other riot-related offences, Commissioner of Police Stephen Lo Wai-chung said.

He added that 22 police officers were injured.

Lo denied his officers had used excessive force and said the equipment deployed on Wednesday, including pepper spray, pepper liquid jets, beanbag rounds and rubber bullets, was on par with that used by overseas officers in similar situations.

 

[Three_Kingdoms]

It's so sad. We've been taking Chinese refugees from Tibet. Other countries should begin process of taking in those from HK as soon as they beg for it

why not take all of the protesting and rioting hooligans to india and let india shine once again.
Let these scums easily live in your slums and seamlessly fuse into your filthy, diseases-prone, poor and rape-cultured democratic society!

Once he said this, all the hooligans fled and left the scene of violent crimes at Admiralty and Harcourt this morning:

"US President Donald Trump is sure Beijing and Hong Kong will “be able to work it out”
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...expresses-confidence-despite-massive-protests

So sharp and astute observers know what this is all about and who are behind the scene pulling all the strings.
Also in the coming up G20 meeting, Trump is showing a gesture to President Xi for the probably "Trade-War" negotiations if the 2 Heads of States meet.

As far as I can recall, there are very stringent rules to meet before the extradition law is exercised:

1. the request must be given by the highest court in the Mainland to HK
2. the alleged crime is punishable by BOTH jurisdictions (Mainland and HK) for offenses that may lead to a 7-year jail term or above.

Read this:
"
The Government has proposed to increase the threshold for allowing extraditions under the fugitive bill, from crimes which carry a minimum three years’ imprisonment to those facing an at least seven-year sentence.

The proposal is among the new measures announced by Secretary for Security John Lee today, that aim to alleviate the community’s concerns over the Fugitive Offenders & Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Legislation (Amendment) Bill 2019.

Mr Lee said: “The opinion that we have heard is that since it is a stopgap measure, we should deal with it cautiously. And we should aim at dealing with heinous or the most serious crimes.

“As a result of all these opinions, we have to make a decision on how we can strike a good balance. Because it is only a supplementary measure to the main policy of signing a long-term agreement with jurisdictions, so we think that dealing with the most serious crimes does strike the right balanc

“And seven years or above is the usual kind of offence that would be dealt with in the High Court, and that is easily understood by the people of Hong Kong. So by comparing to what a High Court will usually try, we think that seven years or more is the right balance.”

The security chief added there will be further safeguards ensuring the rights of suspects, that is, the Government will only consider extradition requests from other countries that are made through their top level of government.

For the Mainland, that would mean the extradition request would have to come from the Supreme People’s Procuratorate.


Once the legislation is passed, the Government will follow up with the Mainland on whether any extradited Hong Kong people found guilty of crimes on the Mainland could apply to serve their prison sentences in Hong Kong, Mr Lee added.

https://www.news.gov.hk/eng/2019/05/20190530/20190530_200413_972.html?type=ticker


3. Human Rights Guaranteed:
https://www.news.gov.hk/eng/2019/06/20190611/20190611_101831_041.html?type=category&name=law_order


It does not entertain prosecution based on race, religion, sex, nationality.


4. The bill does not target relatively minor commercial offenses like those involved in tax or custom duties violations.


All contributions to hence, enrich, amend or correct the above are welcome.

 

[OIO]

CIA has run out their budget in HK.

 

[Akasa]

The extradition law is a new precedent that will keep pushing the CCP to break the contract it had with the UK. It needs to be stopped.

What these protesters need are not words of support from democracies but rather equipment such as RPGs, anti-tank weapons, small arms, and maybe even anti-aircraft equipment to fight against the PLA.

I would NOT be surprised if the protesters are forced to retaliate by attacking the PLA parade during the 70th anniversary "celebrations".

 

[nang2]

The extradition law is a new precedent that will keep pushing the CCP to break the contract it had with the UK. It needs to be stopped.

What these protesters need are not words of support from democracies but rather equipment such as RPGs, anti-tank weapons, small arms, and maybe even anti-aircraft equipment to fight against the PLA.

I would NOT be surprised if the protesters are forced to retaliate by attacking the PLA parade during the 70th anniversary "celebrations".

Do you even know what this extradition law does?

 

[Feng Leng]

The extradition law is a new precedent that will keep pushing the CCP to break the contract it had with the UK. It needs to be stopped.

What these protesters need are not words of support from democracies but rather equipment such as RPGs, anti-tank weapons, small arms, and maybe even anti-aircraft equipment to fight against the PLA.

I would NOT be surprised if the protesters are forced to retaliate by attacking the PLA parade during the 70th anniversary "celebrations".

I would so welcome that. Rubber bullets are not nearly enough for the Hong Kong protestors. I want to see showers of white phosphorus on their heads. I was so entertained when those teenage Hong Kong kids were taught by their Evangelical Church pastors to use their umbrellas to block the tear gas. Can't wait for them to try to hide from white phosphorus showers under their umbrellas

 

[Jackdaws]

why not take all of the protesting and rioting hooligans to india and let india shine once again.
Let these scums easily live in your slums and seamlessly fuse into your filthy, diseases-prone, poor and rape-cultured democratic society!

Once he said this, all the hooligans fled and left the scene of violent crimes at Admiralty and Harcourt this morning:

"US President Donald Trump is sure Beijing and Hong Kong will “be able to work it out”
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...expresses-confidence-despite-massive-protests

So sharp and astute observers know what this is all about and who are behind the scene pulling all the strings.
Also in the coming up G20 meeting, Trump is showing a gesture to President Xi for the probably "Trade-War" negotiations if the 2 Heads of States meet.

As far as I can recall, there are very stringent rules to meet before the extradition law is exercised:

1. the request must be given by the highest court in the Mainland to HK
2. the alleged crime is punishable by BOTH jurisdictions (Mainland and HK) for offenses that may lead to a 7-year jail term or above.

Read this:
"
The Government has proposed to increase the threshold for allowing extraditions under the fugitive bill, from crimes which carry a minimum three years’ imprisonment to those facing an at least seven-year sentence.

The proposal is among the new measures announced by Secretary for Security John Lee today, that aim to alleviate the community’s concerns over the Fugitive Offenders & Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Legislation (Amendment) Bill 2019.

Mr Lee said: “The opinion that we have heard is that since it is a stopgap measure, we should deal with it cautiously. And we should aim at dealing with heinous or the most serious crimes.

“As a result of all these opinions, we have to make a decision on how we can strike a good balance. Because it is only a supplementary measure to the main policy of signing a long-term agreement with jurisdictions, so we think that dealing with the most serious crimes does strike the right balanc

“And seven years or above is the usual kind of offence that would be dealt with in the High Court, and that is easily understood by the people of Hong Kong. So by comparing to what a High Court will usually try, we think that seven years or more is the right balance.”

The security chief added there will be further safeguards ensuring the rights of suspects, that is, the Government will only consider extradition requests from other countries that are made through their top level of government.

For the Mainland, that would mean the extradition request would have to come from the Supreme People’s Procuratorate.


Once the legislation is passed, the Government will follow up with the Mainland on whether any extradited Hong Kong people found guilty of crimes on the Mainland could apply to serve their prison sentences in Hong Kong, Mr Lee added.

https://www.news.gov.hk/eng/2019/05/20190530/20190530_200413_972.html?type=ticker


3. Human Rights Guaranteed:
https://www.news.gov.hk/eng/2019/06/20190611/20190611_101831_041.html?type=category&name=law_order


It does not entertain prosecution based on race, religion, sex, nationality.


4. The bill does not target relatively minor commercial offenses like those involved in tax or custom duties violations.


All contributions to hence, enrich, amend or correct the above are welcome.

We've always opened our doors to the pathetic Chinese people who for generations have begged to be let in. I wouldn't even call yours a "culture".