HISTORY: THE FALL OF DHAKA FROM BIHARI EYES

[pakpride00090]

That's because many Asians in the UK are innately racist, especially the Pakistani diaspora. They have an allergy against anything dark or what they may perceive as aesthetically unpleasing, thus creating mimicing/derogatory nicknames for that person, he then becomes a kind of outcast in his community.

Bengalis and Pakistanis, both communities are a bunch of bloodsuckers in the UK.

Lot of Pakistanis are dark... What are you even talking about ....

 

[EasyNow]

Those residing in the UK are not real Bengalis. They are mostly Sylhetis who have been the vanguards of Indian hegemony in East Bengal all along. They also play major role in their current ruling class. Most Bengali Muslims are friendly with Pakistan as per my own experience. I still use the name East Bengal anyway which was the initial name during the partition of 1947.

You know nothing about BD society, you've got it the wrong way round completely.

Bhutto met the same fate. He was as arrogant as Mujeeb. Although Bhutto was not the founder of Pakistan , unlike Mujeeb. It is very surprising that a nation killed its own founder together with his family ..... So much for Bangabandu

Sharmila bose's book is only criticized by supporters of Mukhti bahini and indian stooges. Isn't it funny that not a single country recognizes the so called "genocide" except India and Bangladesh.

Pashtuns who host flags of Pakistan are Afghans and they have a history of criminal behavior. Would you say Beharis had a history of criminal behavior ? The only crime of them was that they wanted to see Pakistan as one. That is all.

But I know I am expecting too much from small minded bengalis who didn't even spare their own founder....

Criminals or not, anyone who lives in your country and praises the other is no less than a traitor. There are plenty of civilised pashtuns who support Afghanistan too.

Regarding the founder, Bengalis are known not to stand for unfairness. Many leaders have been bought down through history - it is not a weak point to get rid of people when they become corrupt.

If Hasina has survived this long it's because she has managed to justify herself so far. But if the people want it, she will be bought down too.

In any case, Pakistans had even more assassinations in its history.

 

[Saiful Islam]

My fathers family also suffered before and after the war in Ishadi district of East Pakistan. Before surrendering Pakistan army supplied Pakistanis with some 3 knot 3 rifles and some grenades to defend themselves from any mukti bahini onslaught which occurred time to time but they some kept moving to safe hideouts and with careful planning and some help from pro Pakistan bengalis they managed to escape from their through Calcutta India and then Nepal to Pakistan.
Father told me that he and his family traveled on foot constantly 3 days in heavy rain and without enough food and had to keep their faces black using mud and other stuff so they cannot be easily recognizable as non-bengalis. Its a long story how they pulled out such a risky escape, its only a miracle they all survived those harsh times Alhamdulilah not once but twice (1947 & 1971) for only one sole purpose i.e. for Pakistan.

We apologise on behalf of the level headed, sane Bengalis.
The Mukti Bahini wasn't raised by India nor was the group fighting for any kind of Indian spirit or motive. Why this is said is because no one took orders or any kind of instruction of an Indian military, or general or whatever. The man from my locality Ataul Osmani Goni, please refer to him. In fact majority, if not ALL members of the different sectors were Muslim and remained observant to the deen.

As soon as op searchlight commenced and time beyond, the West Pak civilians were kept in the dark, why?
Why did Niazi start wailing like a baby even before the war had ended? (It's not like he was facing death penalty for losing E Pak as a general).

Blame the downfall on the administration, those who held opinions such as the rape of non-Muslim & that they are 'deserving' just because they don't follow Islam.

Whatever the rape numbers were, trumped or not, Bangladeshis don't subscribe to it(unless AL). What they do KNOW is that rape occurred and from our Murabbi's accounts who say they Pakistani army were pure OPPORTUNISTS, who didn't mind conducting the degradation of women, girls etc and the mindset they had towards the general Bengali pop, Muslim or not. And the execution of innocent people infront of a Muslim is simply condemnation.

 

[EasyNow]

My fathers family also suffered before and after the war in Ishadi district of East Pakistan. Before surrendering Pakistan army supplied Pakistanis with some 3 knot 3 rifles and some grenades to defend themselves from any mukti bahini onslaught which occurred time to time but they some kept moving to safe hideouts and with careful planning and some help from pro Pakistan bengalis they managed to escape from their through Calcutta India and then Nepal to Pakistan.
Father told me that he and his family traveled on foot constantly 3 days in heavy rain and without enough food and had to keep their faces black using mud and other stuff so they cannot be easily recognizable as non-bengalis. Its a long story how they pulled out such a risky escape, its only a miracle they all survived those harsh times Alhamdulilah not once but twice (1947 & 1971) for only one sole purpose i.e. for Pakistan.

Did your father have anything to say about the racism against Bengalis in the lead up? Or the famous election results?

And once the operations had started did he witness the Pak army in action? I am asking sincerely for a genuine Pak protective from that era.

 

[pakpride00090]

You know nothing about BD society, you've got it the wrong way round completely.




Criminals or not, anyone who lives in your country and praises the other is no less than a traitor. There are plenty of civilised pashtuns who support Afghanistan too.

Regarding the founder, Bengalis are known not to stand for unfairness. Many leaders have been bought down through history - it is not a weak point to get rid of people when they become corrupt.

If Hasina has survived this long it's because she has managed to justify herself so far. But if the people want it, she will be bought down too.

In any case, Pakistans had even more assassinations in its history.

You see supporting is one thing but actively plotting something is quite different. Some Pak pashtuns may have sympathy but they do not actively plot against the state. Besides , there were pro-pakistan bengali as well during the war. They were spared . Why didn't mukhti bahini ignored them in masses ? or was it because of racism ?

Looks like you guys took out your frustration on helpless people instead of attacking Pakistan army. I guess when you repeat the lies again and again ( 3 million killed and millions raped) , people get inflamed and become savages. Just like what was displayed by your bengalis folks towards biharis.

Your skill to spin things is interesting ... You are saying that your founder and the person bengalis so revere turned out to be a corrupt goon. Perhaps , he was corrupt from the beginning but you chose to ignore him ? Or perhaps you belong to a savage category of people that will kill their founder and create a BS excuse to justify it ?


Pakistanis may have had more assassinations or not but one thing is clear , we didn't kill our founder or murder his family. And unlike Bengladesh , we have been in a constant state of war.

India and Bangladesh are unique in the sense that both killed their founders. Match made in heaven I suppose.

We apologise on behalf of the level headed, sane Bengalis.
The Mukti Bahini wasn't raised by India nor was the group fighting for any kind of Indian spirit or motive. Why this is said is because no one took orders or any kind of instruction of an Indian military, or general or whatever. The man from my locality Ataul Osmani Goni, please refer to him. In fact majority, if not ALL members of the different sectors were Muslim and remained observant to the deen.

As soon as op searchlight commenced and time beyond, the West Pak civilians were kept in the dark, why?
Why did Niazi start wailing like a baby even before the war had ended? (It's not like he was facing death penalty for losing E Pak as a general).

Blame the downfall on the administration, those who held opinions such as the rape of non-Muslim & that they are 'deserving' just because they don't follow Islam.

Whatever the rape numbers were, trumped or not, Bangladeshis don't subscribe to it(unless AL). What they do KNOW is that rape occurred and from our Murabbi's accounts who say they Pakistani army were pure OPPORTUNISTS, who didn't mind conducting the degradation of women, girls etc and the mindset they had towards the general Bengali pop, Muslim or not. And the execution of innocent people infront of a Muslim is simply condemnation.

Any non-partisan sources on it or is it just the continuation of 3 million killed and million rapes statement ?

 

[Saiful Islam]

Any non-partisan sources on it or is it just the continuation of 3 million killed and million rapes statement ?

Dear PDF poster, let me explain to you how laughable this war was lol.. Many of it were on the level of border skirmishes and some on the level war, but one thing we didn't pass by is the Indo and Pak soldiers conversing each in their languages.

Put all the subcontinentals in 1 country, it's like the British Raj again.

Pak Army dumped my Aunties cousin in the pond after shooting him, but none of them have any animosity towards Paks and still go to their Mosques and still converses with their women-folk.

As Muslims we can't hold any hate with each other for that long because it is not appropriate. We believe in the same aqeeda, therefore how can a Turk hate an Arab for so long, when they both are technically of the same creed. It's unbelievable.

 

[pakpride00090]

Dear PDF poster, let me explain to you how laughable this war was lol.. Many of it were on the level of border skirmishes and some on the level war, but one thing we didn't pass by is the Indo and Pak soldiers conversing each in their languages.

Put all the subcontinentals in 1 country, it's like the British Raj again.

Pak Army dumped my Aunties cousin in the pond after shooting him, but none of them have any animosity towards Paks and still go to their Mosques and still converses with their women-folk.

As Muslims we can't hold any hate with each other for that long because it is not appropriate. We believe in the same aqeeda, therefore how can a Turk hate an Arab for so long, when they both are technically of the same creed. It's unbelievable.

War was useless , I agree.

 

[Doctor Strange]

I think the these happened due to power vacuum created by Pakistan establishment. And also mistakes from BD side
*If AL were kept in confidence there wont be this much debacle.
*The armed forces and Socialists had no authority to declare war. For them people of all side suffered and the consecutive years. And India for initiating this covert war years ahead.
*There was no planning to secede from Pakistan by AL matured leadership. But some section of socialists and young over enthusiast folks. In these days these guys would be known as Yaba baba Also Bhutto wanted to divide power between East and West. This guy was hanged for this reason.
*India was planning for this war, years ahead from 1965. And India was initiating covert war throughout 1971.
*Socialist were going berserk during the 70s in the entire world. It was another global war of west vs socialism. 1 down to west, 1 up for socialists.
*Pakistani leadership failed in the UN to halt the war. Maybe they didnt tried hard or its global conspiracy to break the largest Muslim country. Can be a double game of CIA.
*Biharis should have made naturalized citizens of EP, instead of providing instant citizenship based on migration.
*We in BD deny the cities that were flouring during WP contact. Namely Khulna, Syedpur, Narayanganj. They are in shamble now. And many other projects like Kaptai, Baitul Muqarram Mosque, Mongla, Sangshad Bhaban, National highways, jute mills etc. It reached to a financial height, greater than WP or India. Non Bengalis played huge role in these. If these histories are highlighted there will more respects for non Bengalis during Pakistan time. Absurd stories played against media portrayed a negative picture of the.
*And in Mukti Bahini there were many Indian agents active. How about Hindus. If they had taken revenge for different riots during EP time. And what about Indian agents attacking non Bengalis before 25th March to promote Military action between Bengalis and Pakistanis. Its known that Indian Punjabi soldiers in Pakistani Soldier uniforms were killing Bengalis to create discord in 1971.

 

[Bilal9]

Guys - get this straight please...

This event that happened fifty some odd years ago has NO BEARING TODAY, regardless of who brings it up for narrow self-serving purposes to discuss past wrongs. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA, NOTHING. It is pointless. Nothing is what it seems outwardly. When Hasina brings up 1971 - this is a political move to appease India. Everyone in Bangladesh knows this and moreover, no one except AL Hacks, cares. It is regional politics, pure and simple.

We have far bigger issues today and we should be united (in both Pakistan and Bangladesh) in confronting those evils against our countries IN A BID TO PROVIDE A STABLE FUTURE for our Mehnati everyman/woman using living-wage jobs and export-oriented economies. Which is the basis of building strong economically AND militarily powerful states.

- Would, coulda, shoulda...
- Us-sey Galat Kiya...
- Gaddari!...
- Khoon ka badla khoon!...

Its time to move on...

Discussing 1971 ad-infinitum is AGAIN, pointless.

 

[pakpride00090]

Guys - get this straight please...

This event that happened fifty some odd years ago has NO BEARING TODAY, regardless of who brings it up for narrow self-serving purposes to discuss past wrongs. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA, NOTHING. It is pointless. Nothing is what it seems outwardly. When Hasina brings up 1971 - this is a political move to appease India. Everyone in Bangladesh knows this and moreover, no one except AL Hacks, cares. It is regional politics, pure and simple.

We have far bigger issues today and we should be united (in both Pakistan and Bangladesh) in confronting those evils against our countries IN A BID TO PROVIDE A STABLE FUTURE for our Mehnati everyman/woman using living-wage jobs and export-oriented economies. Which is the basis of building strong economically AND militarily powerful states.

- Would, coulda, shoulda...
- Us-sey Galat Kiya...
- Khoon ka badla khoon!...

Its time to move on...

Discussing 1971 ad-infinitum is AGAIN, pointless.

As long as head of Government will bring it up time and time again , wounds will never heal.

 

[EasyNow]

You see supporting is one thing but actively plotting something is quite different. Some Pak pashtuns may have sympathy but they do not actively plot against the state. Besides , there were pro-pakistan bengali as well during the war. They were spared . Why didn't mukhti bahini ignored them in masses ? or was it because of racism ?

Looks like you guys took out your frustration on helpless people instead of attacking Pakistan army. I guess when you repeat the lies again and again ( 3 million killed and millions raped) , people get inflamed and become savages. Just like what was displayed by your bengalis folks towards biharis.

Your skill to spin things is interesting ... You are saying that your founder and the person bengalis so revere turned out to be a corrupt goon. Perhaps , he was corrupt from the beginning but you chose to ignore him ? Or perhaps you belong to a savage category of people that will kill their founder and create a BS excuse to justify it ?


Pakistanis may have had more assassinations or not but one thing is clear , we didn't kill our founder or murder his family. And unlike Bengladesh , we have been in a constant state of war.

India and Bangladesh are unique in the sense that both killed their founders. Match made in heaven I suppose.



Any non-partisan sources on it or is it just the continuation of 3 million killed and million rapes statement ?

Is there a point discussing something if you willfully ignore the point?

There are always repercussions to war. Bengali traitors were called razakars and they were punished, as were Biharis. The difference is that we had a national reconciliation soon afterwards. On the other hand, If the Mukti bahini had lost the war, the Pak army would have been decimated them and their families too - you did that even when you hadn't won.

Pakistan has been in a constant state of war. And if we were with you so would Bangladesh. I can imagine who the war would cost more.

So all in all what happened was the best thing for all involved, and the fate of Biharis was inevitable. It's funny that they are treated with dignity as citizens by the BD Gov today, whereas their spiritual father has no time for them at all.

 

[VikingRaider]

Discussing 1971 ad-infinitum is AGAIN, pointless

Unfortunately people of this region love to do the pointless thing man. And that's the reason western society is far more developed ( world wars, internal conflict of Europe, us independence war, nothing was less severe than 1971 war) and we are busy screwing each other. What a waste of merit!

 

[SIPRA]

Guys - get this straight please...

This event that happened fifty some odd years ago has NO BEARING TODAY, regardless of who brings it up for narrow self-serving purposes to discuss past wrongs. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA, NOTHING. It is pointless. Nothing is what it seems outwardly. When Hasina brings up 1971 - this is a political move to appease India. Everyone in Bangladesh knows this and moreover, no one except AL Hacks, cares. It is regional politics, pure and simple.

We have far bigger issues today and we should be united (in both Pakistan and Bangladesh) in confronting those evils against our countries IN A BID TO PROVIDE A STABLE FUTURE for our Mehnati everyman/woman using living-wage jobs and export-oriented economies. Which is the basis of building strong economically AND militarily powerful states.

- Would, coulda, shoulda...
- Us-sey Galat Kiya...
- Gaddari!...
- Khoon ka badla khoon!...

Its time to move on...

Discussing 1971 ad-infinitum is AGAIN, pointless.

Excellent post. Highly appreciate. Allah hamaray haal per rehm karay.

Unfortunately people of this region love to do the pointless thing man. And that's the reason western society is far more developed ( world wars, internal conflict of Europe, us independence war, nothing was less severe than 1971 war) and we are busy screwing each other. What a waste of merit!

It is also our hobby and pastime to indulge into useless things, at every level.

This thread is also one of them.

 

[dexter]

We apologise on behalf of the level headed, sane Bengalis.
The Mukti Bahini wasn't raised by India nor was the group fighting for any kind of Indian spirit or motive. Why this is said is because no one took orders or any kind of instruction of an Indian military, or general or whatever. The man from my locality Ataul Osmani Goni, please refer to him. In fact majority, if not ALL members of the different sectors were Muslim and remained observant to the deen.

As soon as op searchlight commenced and time beyond, the West Pak civilians were kept in the dark, why?
Why did Niazi start wailing like a baby even before the war had ended? (It's not like he was facing death penalty for losing E Pak as a general).

Blame the downfall on the administration, those who held opinions such as the rape of non-Muslim & that they are 'deserving' just because they don't follow Islam.

Whatever the rape numbers were, trumped or not, Bangladeshis don't subscribe to it(unless AL). What they do KNOW is that rape occurred and from our Murabbi's accounts who say they Pakistani army were pure OPPORTUNISTS, who didn't mind conducting the degradation of women, girls etc and the mindset they had towards the general Bengali pop, Muslim or not. And the execution of innocent people infront of a Muslim is simply condemnation.

JazakALLAH brother, i also apologize on behalf of our people in power too who didnt gave you the rights your people deserved, you fought with us for independent Pakistan, supported the country during 1965 war. Moreover even after 1971 common bengalis support Pakistan stance on Kashmir which is quite amusable.
Mistakes were done from both sides but the most responsible ones were those who held power and they played with lives of millions for their personal gain.

Did your father have anything to say about the racism against Bengalis in the lead up? Or the famous election results?

And once the operations had started did he witness the Pak army in action? I am asking sincerely for a genuine Pak protective from that era.

Yes he accepts that racism was done to bengalis specially in Ayub era and he says that Yahya should have handed govt to mujeeb since he won majority in 1970 elections plus he talks about a cyclone bhola which triggerred the bengali uprising.
Well he saw Pakistan army in action mostly kicking *** of indian army even after vastly outnumbered and surrounded from both sides and the in accuracy of IAF to drop bombs on target, he said they tried to bomb ishadi railway station but missed everytime.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

You see supporting is one thing but actively plotting something is quite different. Some Pak pashtuns may have sympathy but they do not actively plot against the state. Besides , there were pro-pakistan bengali as well during the war. They were spared . Why didn't mukhti bahini ignored them in masses ? or was it because of racism ?

Looks like you guys took out your frustration on helpless people instead of attacking Pakistan army. I guess when you repeat the lies again and again ( 3 million killed and millions raped) , people get inflamed and become savages. Just like what was displayed by your bengalis folks towards biharis.

Your skill to spin things is interesting ... You are saying that your founder and the person bengalis so revere turned out to be a corrupt goon. Perhaps , he was corrupt from the beginning but you chose to ignore him ? Or perhaps you belong to a savage category of people that will kill their founder and create a BS excuse to justify it ?


Pakistanis may have had more assassinations or not but one thing is clear , we didn't kill our founder or murder his family. And unlike Bengladesh , we have been in a constant state of war.

India and Bangladesh are unique in the sense that both killed their founders. Match made in heaven I suppose.



Any non-partisan sources on it or is it just the continuation of 3 million killed and million rapes statement ?

BD soldiers used to kill their officers and rape the officers' wives while shouting,
“Soldiers are brothers to one another
We need the blood of the officers”

Most of the hardcore Mukti Bahini members got engaged in looting, killing etc. during Mujib’s rule. He killed 40K of them. After his fall in a coup there were at least two dozens of coups and counter coups in BD Army. And, thousands and thousands of officers and soldiers got killed...

In one instance, a battalion of BD soldiers, who rebelled against Pak in 1971 and fled to India to fight against Pak, got involved in a coup attempt during President Ziaur Rehman’s rule. The entire battalion was put inside a field, and shelled and machine gunned to death by tanks...

In another instance, the top BD AF pilots, who were highly trained war veteran ex PAF pilots, were killed in a rebellion by their own airmen...

Most of the most prominent Mukti Bahini officers, who were ex Pak Army officers, killed one another in the most brutal manner...

Even now, all BD officer know they and their family members are one step away from the Gujrat-style pogroms, thanks to RAW, inside their own bases and by the very soldiers they command...