History of Vietnam or What do you want to know about Vietnam?

[Wholegrain]

Autosomal DNA is more important to a person(because this will influence your look),one person has both father and mother
Of a Chinese went to Africa and mixed with Africans generations,Do you consider his descendants Chinese?

This is the way we trace our ancestry, both Manchu and Han bannermen during Qing times inherited their status from their father.

 

[EastSea]

Autosomal DNA is more important to a person(because this will influence your look),one person has both father and mother
Of a Chinese went to Africa and mixed with Africans generations,Do you consider his descendants Chinese?

I think your comment posted in your last post above is reasonable. As human being, Without mixing humankind doesn't exist on earth up to now, should been disappeared like Neanderthals or Neandertals people in the past.

You have an interesting question, chinese man are engaged marriage with Africans, I think, the children's characters or DNA (look like) should be dominated to African.

 

[Wholegrain]

I think your comment posted in your last post above is reasonable. As human being, Without mixing humankind doesn't exist on earth up to now, should been disappeared like Neanderthals or Neandertals people in the past.

You have an interesting question, chinese man are engaged marriage with Africans, I think, the children's characters or DNA (look like) should be dominated to African.

Then all the Minh Huong Chinese in Vietnam should look like Vietnamese, since their ancestors married Vietnamese women.

 

[Zero_wing]

Man your really good on making enemies well typical chinese racist to the core like it matters?

In the world were character is basically the reference to judge people you people simply belongs to the stone age.

 

[BoXilai]

More propaganda bullsh1t, the ancient Chinese didn't dress like that, this is the dress of the much later Qing Dynasty.

You must be kidding. It's a picture you got from the Internet, it's not a picture in history book. Young artist can draws anything they want.

 

[ephone]

To pos like you, I have only pity.

After losing your "dear daddy" ussr, your leaders keep kowtowing to Beijing and kissing CCP's axx. Such kissing is just non-stopping.

Well, we have already known what a bunch of ungrateful bastards you are. Now the relationship can only be purely based on interest. We will keep this vn dog at bay at all times.

there was cold war, Taiwan was protected by US, member of UN, China used Vietnam war to figting against US to last Vietnamese. To kiss @ of US China attacked Soviet 1969 and stopped help to Vietnam to send signals to US to shake hands with US in back of Vietnam 1972 when war was going on brutally.

North VN was not puppet of China, Communists Vietnam won US and re-unified Vietnam, because the Help of Soviets and socialist countries until end of war 1975. Its was much more, bigger than China. But they didn't calculated like idiot Chinese, policy smuggler.

Chinese traitor with her betrayal policy don't have moral-right to talk about morality of humankind.

 

[EastSea]

To pos like you, I have only pity.

After losing your "dear daddy" ussr, your leaders keep kowtowing to Beijing and kissing CCP's axx. Such kissing is just non-stopping.

Well, we have already known what a bunch of ungrateful bastards you are. Now the relationship can only be purely based on interest. We will keep this vn dog at bay at all times.

Us control and use you like stupid mad dog, let you non-stopping barking, bite India 1963, Soviet 1969, Vietnam 1979 and non-stopping bark against Japan, Philippine, Vietnam recently.we have already known what kind of bastard dog you are,

talking about interests, US fisher will get a fish when water is got waves in Asia. Stupid dog can not understand what he do.

 

[Viet]

vietnamnese.how many chinese festivals do you keep now?

I don´t know the exact number. The most famous one is Lunar New Year, we call Tet.

T

 

[ephone]

What an idiot. If you try to write in English, learn the proper way at first.

As for U.S. controlled China in 1963, 1969 or 1979, good imagination.

To teach mad dog like you a lesson, don't you see we have tighten the rope already in SCS???

Us control and use you like stupid mad dog, let you non-stopping barking, bite India 1963, Soviet 1969, Vietnam 1979 and non-stopping bark against Japan, Philippine, Vietnam recently.we have already known what kind of bastard dog you are,

talking about interests, US fisher will get a fish when water is got waves in Asia. Stupid dog can not understand what he do.

 

[Viet]

can any Chinese tell me in what year and country this painting below shows?

 

[Wholegrain]

Vietnamese viewed themselves as superior to the Indianized civilizations surrounding them, like the Cham, Khmer (Cambodians), Laotians, Thai, Javanese, and Malaysia.

You will find in Vietnamese historical records claiming that Java (in indonesia), Malacca (Malaysia), Ayutthaya (Thailand), Chiangmai (Thailand), Lan Xang (Laos), Cambodia, and Champa were all vassals and tributary states to Vietnam.

All other southeast asian civlizations except Vietnam were Indic influenced. The Burmese, Thai, Laotians, Cambodians, Cham, Malays, and Javanese use or used to use Indic scripts and they followed Hinduism and Buddhism. Some of them like the Malays and Javanese converted to Islam and switched to Arabic script but they still retained elements of Indic culture like Sanskrit words and divine kingship. Some Cham also converted to Islam. In Java some of the "Muslim" Sultans still practice animism mixed with Islam and believe in Goddesses like the Yogyakarta Sultan.

Vietnam was Sinitic (Chinese) influenced. It adopted Classical Chinese as its official language and used Chinese derived characters called Chu Nom to write Vietnamese language. It also adopted many loanwords from ancient Chinese and Confucianism. They called themselves Dai (Great) Viet and claimed their King was an Emperor. It looked down on the other Indic influenced southeast asians as barbarians and viewed their customs, like the Cham's matrilineal and matriarchal culture as barbaric.

Vietnam's foreign policy towards other southeast asian countries is influenced by this historical view. It views Laos as a puppet state.

@gambit

Many Vietnamese internet warriors insult other southeast asians, calling them lazy and claiming that ethnic Chinese run their economies because they are inferior. They view Vietnamese as a superior race and think Vietnam should lord over other southeast asians. We see this behavior playing out in real life by the way Vietnam treats Laos.

You keep citing several internet trolls as evidence that China sees other asians as inferior, we see how Vietnam behaves in real life.

 

[Pakchina]

About Vietnam. History is US bombing of the North using chemical agents killing thousand of innocent women and children. Massacre and gratuitous killings of villagers by the US GI Joes. Chemical agents still affecting the population with newly born getting handicapped and cancer.

What I know now about Vietnam today from a recent trip to Ho Chi Minh in June 2013-Dynamic and resilient population. Dynamic Ho Chi Minh city with skyscrapers like Bitexco Tower and International Hotels. Vietnamese youth have good personality and nice appearance. Vietnamese in Ho Chi Minh are charming, welcoming, easy going, courteous and sociable people with many of them being of Chinese descent. Vietnamese in Ho Chi Minh look exactly like Mainland and Overseas Chinese. In Disctrict 7, there are genuine massage parlours with the most beautiful girls in the World. Vietnamese are indeed very gentle and modest people with good character.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

can any Chinese tell me in what year and country this painting below shows?

I only know the characters on the right, 東京 Tokyo

Where do you get it?

 

[gambit]

Vietnamese viewed themselves as superior to the Indianized civilizations surrounding them, like the Cham, Khmer (Cambodians), Laotians, Thai, Javanese, and Malaysia.

You will find in Vietnamese historical records claiming that Java (in indonesia), Malacca (Malaysia), Ayutthaya (Thailand), Chiangmai (Thailand), Lan Xang (Laos) and Cambodia were all vassals and tributary states to Vietnam.

All other southeast asian civlizations except Vietnam were Indic influenced. The Burmese, Thai, Laotians, Cambodians, Cham, Malays, and Javanese use or used to use Indic scripts and they followed Hinduism and Buddhism. Some of them like the Malays and Javanese converted to Islam and switched to Arabic script but they still retained elements of Indic culture like Sanskrit words and divine kingship.

Vietnam was Sinitic (Chinese) influenced. It adopted Classical Chinese as its official language and used Chinese derived characters called Chu Nom to write Vietnamese language. It also adopted many loanwords from ancient Chinese and Confucianism. They called themselves Dai (Great) Viet and claimed their King was an Emperor. It looked down on the other Indic influenced southeast asians as barbarians and viewed their customs, like the Cham's matrilineal and matriarchal culture as barbaric.

Vietnam's foreign policy towards other southeast asian countries is influenced by this historical view. It views Laos as a puppet state.

@gambit

Many Vietnamese internet warriors insult other southeast asians, calling them lazy and claiming that ethnic Chinese run their economies because they are inferior. They view Vietnamese as a superior race and think Vietnam should lord over other southeast asians. We see this behavior playing out in real life by the way Vietnam treats Laos.

You keep citing several internet trolls as evidence that China sees other asians as inferior, we see how Vietnam behaves in real life.

Please...So now you are telling me that only Chinese Internet trolls are racists while the entirety of the Viets are?

My physical appearance is that I am often mistaken for Mexican. Believe it.

See these MT China associates...???

China - Micron Technology, Inc.

When I was in Shanghai helping to set the place up, I experienced a little bit of Chinese racism against other Asians because enough of the locals thought I was Mexican and they felt a little more relaxed to express their opinions. The racism among many of the Chinese engineers I met is one of seriousness, as in they genuinely believes, just like the more sophisticated American Klansmen like David Duke or closeted Klansman like Pat Buchanan believes, that there are inherent racial intelligence and character differences among the world's peoples and that these differences are not reconcilable. The best those that are superior (supposedly) could do is to be kind to the inferior people, not hostile or even personally mean to them. Discipline them once in a while just like a parent would to a child so the inferior should know their place in the 'natural' order of life.

I left Shanghai without letting a single one of them know what I am -- a member of the 'inferior' Asiatic. And who just trained them on DRAM assembly line processes to boot. That was many years ago and am no longer with MT. Sometimes I wonder if any of them changed, but I really do not care if any of them do, although I do remember that at least one of our escorts, an older Chinese lady with a nice personality enough, did looked a bit embarrassed when one of these Chinese racist engineers, over a few drinks after duty hours, spilled what he thought of other Asiatics. I always suspect she knew what I was.

My white American co-workers, some of them are actually friends, if not close friends, wondered why I said nothing about myself. I told them I wanted them to know how the Chinese sees other Asiatics and that there is not racial solidarity and peace among Asians. A lot of people do view life through FIRST a racial/racist prism before they judge anyone else through any other filters. Asians are no different.

It is not enough that one group sees itself as superior to another and all others. It is equally important that what can and will that group do with whatever capabilities at its disposal. This is where politics comes in. There is nothing we can do against private racism other than education and persuasion. But in public politics and policies, this is where we must act and act other than persuasions should that method fail. International affairs are no different in this regard.

Under the pretense of territorial disputes, China as dominant power in Asia will start the next racial/racist based regional war. The Viets, the Laos, and the Cambodians will be the first to pay.

 

[Wholegrain]

Please...So now you are telling me that only Chinese Internet trolls are racists while the entirety of the Viets are?

My physical appearance is that I am often mistaken for Mexican. Believe it.

See these MT China associates...???

China - Micron Technology, Inc.

When I was in Shanghai helping to set the place up, I experienced a little bit of Chinese racism against other Asians because enough of the locals thought I was Mexican and they felt a little more relaxed to express their opinions. The racism among many of the Chinese engineers I met is one of seriousness, as in they genuinely believes, just like the more sophisticated American Klansmen like David Duke or closeted Klansman like Pat Buchanan believes, that there are inherent racial intelligence and character differences among the world's peoples and that these differences are not reconcilable. The best those that are superior (supposedly) could do is to be kind to the inferior people, not hostile or even personally mean to them. Discipline them once in a while just like a parent would to a child so the inferior should know their place in the 'natural' order of life.

I left Shanghai without letting a single one of them know what I am -- a member of the 'inferior' Asiatic. And who just trained them on DRAM assembly line processes to boot. That was many years ago and am no longer with MT. Sometimes I wonder if any of them changed, but I really do not care if any of them do, although I do remember that at least one of our escorts, an older Chinese lady with a nice personality enough, did looked a bit embarrassed when one of these Chinese racist engineers, over a few drinks after duty hours, spilled what he thought of other Asiatics. I always suspect she knew what I was.

My white American co-workers, some of them are actually friends, if not close friends, wondered why I said nothing about myself. I told them I wanted them to know how the Chinese sees other Asiatics and that there is not racial solidarity and peace among Asians. A lot of people do view life through FIRST a racial/racist prism before they judge anyone else through any other filters. Asians are no different.

It is not enough that one group sees itself as superior to another and all others. It is equally important that what can and will that group do with whatever capabilities at its disposal. This is where politics comes in. There is nothing we can do against private racism other than education and persuasion. But in public politics and policies, this is where we must act and act other than persuasions should that method fail. International affairs are no different in this regard.

Under the pretense of territorial disputes, China as dominant power in Asia will start the next racial/racist based regional war. The Viets, the Laos, and the Cambodians will be the first to pay.

You look like a Mexican? And you are a refugee from the Vietnam war? You must be South Vietnamese. Your own Northern Vietnamese look down on Southern Vietnamese as inferior.

On the lowest wrung in Vietnam, the ethnic minorities like the mountain and central highlands people are treated as slaves by ethnic Vietnamese Kinh. The Montagnards are still attacked and abused by Kinh settlers on their land.The Montagnards, Khmer, and Cham fought together in FULRO against both South and North Vietnam, both of them treated them like dirt. Southern Vietnamese Dictator Ngo Dinh Diem dumped tons of Vietnamese onto Montagnard land and its still being continued by the Vietnamese Communist Party. Vietnam also treated the Hmong like crap too.

Next, Vietnamese from the Mekong delta are looked down upon, they are seen as poor, dark skinned and the official Vietnamese media even fingers them out for exporting women to marry to foreigners (calling them "southwestern girls"), even though poor girls from all over Vietnam including the north, not just the Mekong delta marry foreigners.

All other Southern Vietnamese are on the next rung higher up. They are still viewed as darker skinned and having undesirable qualities in their manners and behavior by Northern Vietnamese.

And finally Northern Kinh Vietnamese are on the top, lording over the others in a hirearchy. They think their pale skin and manner of behavior is superior to everyone else.

Lets not even start on how Vietnamese view other southeast asians outside their country. Many of them think other asians are scum.