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No dumbass, Korean and Japanese and Vietnamese have used Chinese characters and their languages have not changed lanugage families.

Hanja - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kanji - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chữ nôm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are the true Tai languages descended from the Nanyue natives.

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Bouyei language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Standard Zhuang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zhuang languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Zhuang have even used a script based on Chinese characters called Sawndip, like Chu Nom in Vietnam. It didn't change their language family to Sinitic.

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Sawndip writing

The grammar and vocabulary of Cantonese is Sinitic and Cantonese is closest dialect to Middle Chinese.

Food in China: A Cultural and Historical Inquiry - Frederick J. Simoons - Google Books

Early Child Cantonese: Facts and Implications - Shek Tse, Hui Li - Google Books



The Chinese Language: Its History and Current Usage - Google Books



The name "people of the Tang" was used by non-Han foreigners to refer to Han people from the central plains (Zhongyuan). This term was never used for non Han.

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China - Michael Cannings - Google Books

Korean and Japanese have their languages Altaic, Viet Kinh language is Mon Khmer, so our languages do not close to Han language, Sino-Tibetan language.

Zhuang people are living in mountainous area in GuangXi, the contacts with Hans is limited, so they could preserved their own language as one separate language belong to one ethnic group of Bai Yue people. It's not in the same case of Cantonese.

Native Cantonese or NanYue people who were living in region of plain of Zhou Jiang river, were controlled strictly by Han rulers.

native NanYue language is tonal language belong also to Bai Yue Languages, was effected by Madarin when Han Ji writing system applied. Cantonese is a language that originated in the vicinity of Canton, regarded as the prestige dialect of Yue. they speak with their own sound and Han Chinese don't understand. There is two different languages when its not to be use to direct communicate of such people concerned Hans and Cantonese. Madarin and Cantonese is not not mutually intelligible because of pronunciation, grammatical, and also lexical differences.

Today, inner Mongolian or Uighur people go to oversea as tourists, they can say they are Zhongguo_ren. It doesn't mean they are Hans, just reported that they come from China. Same was the story in the past, When Hakka or Hokkien people escaped from China to Vietnam, they said: they are "Thoong danh", people of Tang Dynasty. But Cantonese, called by Viet Kinh as "Ngộ" people.

 

[Wholegrain]

Korean and Japanese have their languages Altaic, Viet Kinh language is Mon Khmer, so our languages do not close to Han language, Sino-Tibetan language.

Zhuang people are living in mountainous area in GuangXi, the contacts with Hans is limited, so they could preserved their own language as one separate language belong to one ethnic group of Bai Yue people. It's not in the same case of Cantonese.

Native Cantonese or NanYue people who were living in region of plain of Zhou Jiang river, were controlled strictly by Han rulers.

native NanYue language is tonal language belong also to Bai Yue Languages, was effected by Madarin when Han Ji writing system applied. Cantonese is a language that originated in the vicinity of Canton, regarded as the prestige dialect of Yue. they speak with their own sound and Han Chinese don't understand. There is two different languages when its not to be use to direct communicate of such people concerned Hans and Cantonese. Madarin and Cantonese is not not mutually intelligible because of pronunciation, grammatical, and also lexical differences.

Today, inner Mongolian or Uighur people go to oversea as tourists, they can say they are Zhongguo_ren. It doesn't mean they are Hans, just reported that they come from China. Same was the story in the past, When Hakka or Hokkien people escaped from China to Vietnam, they said: they are "Thoong danh", people of Tang Dynasty. But Cantonese, called by Viet Kinh as "Ngộ" people.

Poor dumbass, you only quote from the Cantonese article and never the Yue article LOL.

Yue Chinese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yue or Yueh (English pronunciation: /ˈjuːeɪ/ or /juːˈeɪ/[2]) is a primary branch of Chinese spoken in southern China, particularly the provinces of Guangdong and Guangxi. The name Cantonese is often used, but linguists prefer to reserve that name for the Yue dialect of Guangzhou (Canton) and Hong Kong, which is the prestige dialect. The Cantonese and Taishanese dialects of Yue are spoken by substantial overseas populations in Southeast Asia, Canada, Australia, and the United States.

History[edit]

The area of China south of the Nanling Mountains, known as the Lingnan (roughly modern Guangxi and Guangdong), was originally home to peoples known to the Chinese as the Hundred Yue. Large-scale Chinese migration to the area began after the Qin conquest of the region in 214 BC.[7] Successive waves followed at times of upheaval in North China, such as the falls of the Han, Tang and Song dynasties.[7] The most popular route was via the Xiang River, which the Qin had connected to the Li River by the Lingqu Canal, and thence into the valley of the Xi Jiang (West River).[8] A secondary route followed the Gan River and then the Bei Jiang (North River) into eastern Guangdong.[9] Yue speakers were later joined by Hakka speakers following the North River route, and Min speakers arriving by sea.[10]
After the fall of Qin, the Lingnan area was part of the independent state of Nanyue for about a century, before being incorporated in the Han empire.[9] Following the collapse of the Tang dynasty, much of the Yue area became part of the Southern Han, one of the longest-lived states of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms, between 917 and 971.[9]
The waves of Chinese migration also assimilated huge numbers of aborigines, with the result that today's Yue-speaking population is descended from both groups.[11] The colloquial layers of Yue dialects have a number of elements influenced by the Tai languages formerly spoken widely in the area and still spoken by people such as the Zhuang.[12]

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Food in China: A Cultural and Historical Inquiry - Frederick J. Simoons - Google Books

Early Child Cantonese: Facts and Implications - Shek Tse, Hui Li - Google Books

Cantonese is ancient as well as modern

As spoken today, Cantonese features certain phonological characteristics that are quite close to some pronunciations in Middle Chinese. In fact, some classic Chinese literary pieces, especially poetry, sound close to the original when read in Cantonese because Cantonese phonology is similar in many aspects to the pronunciations used in Middle Chinese.

In contrast, the pronunciation of Mandarin is very different from Middle Chinese; thus, poetry in Middle Chinese can sound quite discordant when read in Mandarin. Using Mandarin phonology in poetry and other rhyme-based writings originally composed in Middle Chinese may sometimes make the lines of the poem sound quite incoherent as Mandarin differs so markedly from Middle Chinese phonology.

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Cantonese is probably the closest living dialect to the Middle Chinese of the Tang dynasty (618-907 CE), and the Cantonese often refer to themselves as 唐人 tong yan, "people of the Tang."

The Hokkien Cantonese and Hakka called themselves people of Tang long after the Tang dynasty fell, they continued using it up to now. It has nothing to do with the country they came from, but their ethnicity, since they were descended from Han migrants from the central plains during the Tang dynaty.

By the way you are lying big time, Vietnamese called all Chinese people "Ngô" 吳 since the Ming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bình_Ngô_đại_cáo

 

[EastSea]

Poor dumbass, you only quote from the Cantonese article and never the Yue article LOL.

Yue Chinese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



You are going to keep getting busted.


Food in China: A Cultural and Historical Inquiry - Frederick J. Simoons - Google Books

Early Child Cantonese: Facts and Implications - Shek Tse, Hui Li - Google Books



The Chinese Language: Its History and Current Usage - Google Books



The Hokkien Cantonese and Hakka called themselves people of Tang long after the Tang dynasty fell, they continued using it up to now. It has nothing to do with the country they came from, but their ethnicity, since they were descended from Han migrants from the central plains during the Tang dynaty.

By the way you are lying big time, Vietnamese called all Chinese people "Ngô" 吳 since the Ming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bình_Ngô_đại_cáo

Cantonese is NanYue people, one Yue ethnic group belong to Bai Yue (Hundred Type of Yue).

You quoted all such trash what is propaganda to brainwash Chinese people with idiot illusions that they are in one ethnic group for unification the nation. But it is big lie.

Cantonese were called "Ngo" in the past because Cantonese said " I'm ..." or 我 with sound '"Ngo".

You lie that

"all Chinese people "Ngô" 吳 since the Ming"

From Time òf Ming Dynasty, Chinese immigrated to Vietnam, they were called ás "Minh people" ỏr "Minh Huong".

 

[elis]

China changed his side from 1968. Only Russian was by with us to end of Vietnam war 1945-1975.

Without victory of Russian on Nazi in WWII, France is part of Third Reich until now.

Without China you would still be a french colony

I said that France & Iran are better because they made their weapons during the invasion of the coalition after the french revolution and push them back.

France managed to win even they were invaded during the civilian war in Vendée

English, prussians, russians, austrians, italians, swedish and much more were against France

Iran defeated the zionist USA terrorist arming Iraq, along with Kuwait, Saudi Arabia.

 

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Without China you would still be a french colony

I said that France & Iran are better because they made their weapons during the invasion of the coalition after the french revolution and push them back.

France managed to win even they were invaded during the civilian war in Vendée

English, prussians, russians, austrians, italians, swedish and much more were against France

Iran defeated the zionist USA terrorist arming Iraq, along with Kuwait, Saudi Arabia.

France is stupid, didn't given back independence to Vietnam after WW II, when Ho Chi minh had been dismissed Communists party, and France colonial lost the war in Vietnam and Algeria.

With out China Vietnam was not divided in two state in Geneva 1954. In cold war china tried to get his benefit in back of Vietnam.

You parents should been "lính khố đỏ" or "lính khố xanh" in France colonial army.

 

[elis]

With out China Vietnam was not divided in two state in Geneva 1954. In cold war china tried to get his benefit in back of Vietnam.

I thought it was the UN?

Don't be ungrateful, if you didn't want their weapons they wouldn't be able to give you that.

You parents should been "lính khố đỏ" or "lính khố xanh" in France colonial army.

My father was a young recruit for the SV Rangers, he later fought during the war against Combodia as a saper (thanh nien xung phong)

The war for independance against the french is good, too bad that the communists maintain the difference between South and North after the reunification

I can't support the communist regime because they reject the South vietnamese even they fight for them

 

[Snomannen]

Cantonese is NanYue people, one Yue ethnic group belong to Bai Yue (Hundred Type of Yue).

You quoted all such trash what is propaganda to brainwash Chinese people with idiot illusions that they are in one ethnic group for unification the nation. But it is big lie.

Cantonese were called "Ngo" in the past because Cantonese said " I'm ..." or 我 with sound '"Ngo".

You lie that

From Time òf Ming Dynasty, Chinese immigrated to Vietnam, they were called ás "Minh people" ỏr "Minh Huong".

Sure, every historians, scholars, experts are all speaking trash and they are brainwashing people for absolutely no reason at well, while every single word came from our great and holy big ugly mouth Eatsh!t must be truth. All hail Eatsh!t the history inventor.

平吳大誥 Bình Ngô đại cáo

Cantonese "ngo5" (我 / I, me) is even closer than old Chinese "ngɑ̌" than Mandarin "Wǒ".

Let's see this another similar great words from Eatsh!t:

The word "Kinh" came from our first Emperor "Kinh Duong Vuong".

Yet the fact is:
[If "Kinh" was really refer to Kinh Duong Vuong, then Kinh ethnicity should be 涇族, not 京族, besides the decision of using the name 京族 was decided before Vietnamese language was latinized. Also there is nothing wrong with the beautiful Hanji 涇~

The Kinh of Kinh people is for "Capital 京", it is to 'distinguish themselves (Kinh) from other ethnic groups (barbarians outside the 京畿 [capital] such as people in Thanh Hoa and Nghe An) in Vietnam'. It's nothing related to that Kinh 涇 Duong Vuong.]

But no matter how stupid his retarded words are, he is still on the right side since he has the biggest mouth in the world. All hail the greatest EatSh!t.

 

[EastSea]

I thought it was the UN?

Don't be ungrateful, if you didn't want their weapons they wouldn't be able to give you that.

My father was a young recruit for the SV Rangers, he later fought during the war against Combodia as a saper (thanh nien xung phong)

The war for independance against the french is good, too bad that the communists maintain the difference between South and North after the reunification

I can't support the communist regime because they reject the South vietnamese even they fight for them

The first Vietnam war, china given away such weapon made in Soviet Union were provided to them in civil war and Korean war.

The second Vietnam war against USA, mostly Tanks, Missiles, artillery ... were made in Soviet Union. After 1972, china made rifles, ammunition were not been used.

Your parents is traitor, like Nguyen Van Thieu, Nguyen Cao Ky ... they joined first to Viet Minh, then ran out from VPA to Army of France Colonial.

In case of No Dinh Diem accepted proposal of Ho Chi Minh for general election in 1956 following terms of Geneva Accord 1954, there was not Second Vietnam war.

What is the difference between North and South after 1975 ? when USA applied economy embargo against Vietnam and China backed Khmer Rouge began follow provocative attacks on border with support of China, Hua people in Saigon demonstrated claimed back their Tzong Hua ren as Taiwan-citizenship. There was dirty policy of China-USA allies counter Vietnam.

Today, oversea Vietnamese turn back home then they can do business as well, included my relateves.

I think you are Hua, not true Vietnamese.

 

[Wholegrain]

Cantonese is NanYue people, one Yue ethnic group belong to Bai Yue (Hundred Type of Yue).

You quoted all such trash what is propaganda to brainwash Chinese people with idiot illusions that they are in one ethnic group for unification the nation. But it is big lie.

Cantonese were called "Ngo" in the past because Cantonese said " I'm ..." or 我 with sound '"Ngo".

You lie that

From Time òf Ming Dynasty, Chinese immigrated to Vietnam, they were called ás "Minh people" ỏr "Minh Huong".

Then White Americans are native Americans, one ethnic group belonging to the many Native american tribes.

 

[EastSea]

Then White Americans are native Americans, one ethnic group belonging to the many Native american tribes.

Americans who joined for fighting and created United States in 17th century, they are native American, but they should been in different ethnic groupes based on Bloodlines and Languages.

New comer to America; like Arabish, Indian, Chinese or Vietnamese ..., this people with new bloodline and language or in different ethnic groups do not considered as native American.

NanYue people joined for creation NanYue Guo in time BC, and fighting against invasion of Han Empere, they are native NanYue people, if they shared common bloodline and language, NanYue people is independence ethnic group.

New comers to NanYue Guo; like Hokkien, Hakka, Hans etc with new bloodlines and languages, they are not considered as native NanYue Guo people or with another wording: Hans, Hakka, Hokkien, etc are not considered as native ethnic group.

 

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Then White Americans are native Americans, one ethnic group belonging to the many Native american tribes.

That sounds bizarre.

Americans who joined for fighting and created United States in 17th century, they are native American, but they should been in different ethnic groupes based on Bloodlines and Languages.

New comer to America; like Arabish, Indian, Chinese or Vietnamese ..., this people with new bloodline and language or in different ethnic groups do not considered as native American.

NanYue people joined for creation NanYue Guo in time BC, and fighting against invasion of Han Empere, they are native NanYue people, if they shared common bloodline and language, NanYue people is independence ethnic group.

New comers to NanYue Guo; like Hokkien, Hakka, Hans etc with new bloodlines and languages, they are not considered as native NanYue Guo people or with another wording: Hans, Hakka, Hokkien, etc are not considered as native ethnic group.

He has many times told me contradictory statement at number of times. While this guy Fattyacids always lie about Chinese history.

 

[elis]

The first Vietnam war, china given away such weapon made in Soviet Union were provided to them in civil war and Korean war.

The second Vietnam war against USA, mostly Tanks, Missiles, artillery ... were made in Soviet Union. After 1972, china made rifles, ammunition were not been used.

Your parents is traitor, like Nguyen Van Thieu, Nguyen Cao Ky ... they joined first to Viet Minh, then ran out from VPA to Army of France Colonial.

In case of No Dinh Diem accepted proposal of Ho Chi Minh for general election in 1956 following terms of Geneva Accord 1954, there was not Second Vietnam war.

What is the difference between North and South after 1975 ? when USA applied economy embargo against Vietnam and China backed Khmer Rouge began follow provocative attacks on border with support of China, Hua people in Saigon demonstrated lback their Tzong Hua ren as Taiwan-citizenship. There was dirty policy of China-USA allies counter Vietnam.

Today, oversea Vietnamese turn back home then they can do business as well, included my relateves.

I think you are Hua, not true Vietnamese.

He fought with the NV army in 1979 but the discriminations against the south vietnamese never stopped even now

The vietnamese who go back home to make business are stolen and forbidden to do so

In 1950, China extended diplomatic recognition to the Viet Minh's Democratic Republic of Vietnam and sent weapons, as well as military advisors led by Luo Guibo to assist the Viet Minh in its war with the French. The first draft of the 1954 Geneva Accords was negotiated by French prime minister Pierre Mendès France and Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai who, fearing U.S. intervention, urged the Viet Minh to accept a partition at the 17th parallel.[249]

In the summer of 1962, Mao Zedong agreed to supply Hanoi with 90,000 rifles and guns free of charge. Starting in 1965, China sent anti-aircraft units and engineering battalions to North Vietnam to repair the damage caused by American bombing, rebuild roads and railroads, and to perform other engineering works. This freed North Vietnamese army units for combat in the South. China sent 320,000 troops and annual arms shipments worth $180 million.[250]

Sino-Soviet relations soured after the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia in August 1968. In October, the Chinese demanded North Vietnam cut relations with Moscow, but Hanoi refused.[251] The Chinese began to withdraw in November 1968 in preparation for a clash with the Soviets, which occurred at Zhenbao Island in March 1969. The Chinese also began financing the Khmer Rouge as a counterweight to the Vietnamese communists at this time.

China "armed and trained" the Khmer Rouge during the civil war and continued to aid them for years afterward.[252] The Khmer Rouge launched ferocious raids into Vietnam in 1975–1978. When Vietnam responded with an invasion that toppled the Khmer Rouge, China launched a brief, punitive invasion of Vietnam in 1979.

Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[EastSea]

That sounds bizarre.



He has many times told me contradictory statement at number of times. While this guy Fattyacids always lie about Chinese history.

They claim that they are in the same ethnic group, homogeneous ethnic group. Big joke.

He fought with the NV army in 1979 but the discriminations against the south vietnamese never stopped even now

The vietnamese who go back home to make business are stolen and forbidden to do so

He lie to you. He can go to oversea if he like it.

Le Duan, Pham Van Dong, Ton Duc Thang, Vo Van Kiet, Pham Hung, ... are SV communists and they were in top leaders of Govt and Party.

 

[INDIC]

They claim that they are in the same ethnic group, homogeneous ethnic group. Big joke.

I too thought the same thing once until I started to get deeper into Chinese, had Chinese not insulted Indians, I wouldn't have known their true history.

Also, the history and personalities of Qin Shi Huang who founded the Qin Empire is very interesting.

 

[Viet]

Yet the fact is:
[If "Kinh" was really refer to Kinh Duong Vuong, then Kinh ethnicity should be 涇族, not 京族, besides the decision of using the name 京族 was decided before Vietnamese language was latinized. Also there is nothing wrong with the beautiful Hanji 涇~

The Kinh of Kinh people is for "Capital 京", it is to 'distinguish themselves (Kinh) from other ethnic groups (barbarians outside the 京畿 [capital] such as people in Thanh Hoa and Nghe An) in Vietnam'. It's nothing related to that Kinh 涇 Duong Vuong.]

Also Chinese refer to Viet people in China as the Jīng (京族). 京 itself stands for Peking?
Gin people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought it was the UN?

Don't be ungrateful, if you didn't want their weapons they wouldn't be able to give you that.

My father was a young recruit for the SV Rangers, he later fought during the war against Combodia as a saper (thanh nien xung phong)

The war for independance against the french is good, too bad that the communists maintain the difference between South and North after the reunification

I can't support the communist regime because they reject the South vietnamese even they fight for them

salut elis, tu parles anglais, vietnamien et français?