History of Afghan betrayal , fraud and oppression on Pashtuns

[jamahir]

There were three million of those who came in our country as refugees.

The same has happened in Syria. Some stayed and fought alongside their government and some left.

 

[bananarepublic]

Hotak Pashtun Dynasty conquered almost whole Iran. They were bordering ottomans and were about to fight for Caliphate title but then they suffered a set back at the hand of Nader Shah i guess who was fighting for rebel Safavid Prince..

P.S. They defeated Ottomans too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman–Hotaki_War_(1722–1727)

They were only able to hold large swathes of iran for only 7 years and were pushed back eventually. They were only able to hold onto small regions of iran and were eventually ousted and crushed by their own pashtun brethren which allied with nadir shah. It was barely an empire begin with and more of a pillaging scheme disguised as a so called empire
Same can be said of Nadir shah which conquered large areas but was never able to hold it.
I will say it once again almost all of the pashtun based empires sustained themselves on regular pillaging of near by areas and more or less if they weren't pillaging outside land they would be fighting inbetween themselves.
You should read up on the cruel practices they enforced on the vassal states up North.

 

[jamahir]

By judging him over objective parameters like the political murders he committed, simple is not it?

What can you tell me about Julian Assange and Abdulhakim Belhaj ?

 

[Cliftonite]

But this Time Pakistan will capture Wakkan Corridor and other strategic locations and will annex them forever.

Our foreign policy sucks. We should have kept that as a condition to US support in 2001. Orstruck a deal with Taliban to give us Wakhan in return for supporting them.

 

[Naofumi]

What can you tell me about Julian Assange and Abdulhakim Belhaj ?

He should be killed? Because of being an Islamist? And if a non-Islamist question a dictator? He should be killed too?
Have a look at this please before next response.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Libya#Libya_under_Gaddafi

 

[jamahir]

He should be killed? Because of being an Islamist? And if a non-Islamist question a dictator? He should be killed too?

"Islamist" doesn't describe him. Please do more research on him. He was the leader of a terrorist group obviously supported by the West. In the 2011 war he was partly based out of Erdogan's Istanbul and oversaw the wars in Libya and Syria.

Tell me, when the priorly West-supported Osama bin Laden turned against the West, didn't NATO the Americans specifically hunt him down ? So why are you saying "poor guy" about another terrorist who wanted to destroy the socialist system in Libya and wanted to bring a Taliban-style rule to Libya.

Have a look at this please before next response.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Libya#Libya_under_Gaddafi

I did. And you too will have seen that Gaddafi complained about the excesses.

But if you were part of such a committee, what would you do about an Al Qaeda operative threatening the stability of the country ?

And you haven't said anything about Julian Assange.

 

[Naofumi]

"Islamist" doesn't describe him. Please do more research on him. He was the leader of a terrorist group obviously supported by the West. In the 2011 war he was partly based out of Erdogan's Istanbul and oversaw the wars in Libya and Syria.

Tell me, when the priorly West-supported Osama bin Laden turned against the West, didn't NATO the Americans specifically hunt him down ? So why are you saying "poor guy" about another terrorist who wanted to destroy the socialist system in Libya and wanted to bring a Taliban-style rule to Libya.

You didn't answered if a non-Islamist questions government (like many did), he should be killed too?

But if you were part of such a committee, what would you do about an Al Qaeda operative threatening the stability of the country ?

No everyone was Al-Qaeda, where's the proof that each and everyone of them was Al-Qaeda?

And you haven't said anything about Julian Assange.

He has not been murdered unjustly.

 

[H. Dawary]

bro, back your claim with providing some substance & enlighten me where I have distorted the facts.

it's very easy to refute someone's genuine research but very hard to provide a rebuttal.

Oh I have already highlighted the pages of several books, first I want you to post your sources, if itsn't "copy and paste", then after you have posted your sources, I will show you every single one of mine.

 

[Naofumi]

@jamahir Was everyone at Abu Salim was Al-Qaeda? Where's the proof?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Salim_prison

 

[H. Dawary]

Hotak Pashtun Dynasty conquered almost whole Iran. They were bordering ottomans and were about to fight for Caliphate title but then they suffered a set back at the hand of Nader Shah i guess who was fighting for rebel Safavid Prince..

P.S. They defeated Ottomans too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman–Hotaki_War_(1722–1727)

Bro, its not just the Hotaks, at the times of Ahmad Shah there was no "this one is Persian, Afghan, Kurd, Baloch etc" it was a free for all, all Iranic groups vyed for power... While Ahmad Shah was vying for power in the east, another Afghan was vying for power in the west

Azad Khan Afghan was one of them, if Azad Khan came out triumphant in the west, then Iran would have been under an Afghan and not under Qajar Turks... Many here don't know history as well as they think they do, they are just "copy paste" parrots.

 

[jamahir]

You didn't answered if a non-Islamist questions government (like many did), he should be killed too?

I agree, why should he ? But please provide a list of those have questioned the system for rightful reasons. Right from the early 70s. The revolution happened in 1969.

And please don't use the word "Islamist". It is a BBC-coined word for creating disinfo.

No everyone was Al-Qaeda, where's the proof that each and everyone of them was Al-Qaeda?

Al Qaeda was founded only in 1988. Before that there would have been other counter-revolutionary groups and individuals.

But yes, any innocent person jailed is regrettable. But again, do you have list ?

He has not been murdered unjustly.

He was effectively under house arrest for years. If we can speak about Kashmiri leaders being under house arrest why not about Assange ?

@jamahir Was everyone at Abu Salim was Al-Qaeda? Where's the proof?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Salim_prison

The Libyan official stated that more than 400 prisoners escaped Abu Salim in four separate break-outs prior to and after the incident: in July 1995, December 1995, June 1996 and July 2001. Among the escapees were men who then fought with Islamist militant groups in Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq.

The Libyan government said in 2009, then controlled by the same people as at the time of the event, that the killings took place amid confrontation between the government and rebels from the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, and that some 200 guards were killed too

The underlined group had its leader in form of Abdulhakim Belhaj whom I mentioned earlier.

As I said, any innocent jailed in Abu Salim is regrettable. But again, the proof of such is lacking.

By the way, during and after the 2011 war, when the NATO-supported NTC ( National Transitional Council ) was taking over, its fighters tortured many Libyans and many Blacks ( for just being Black ) in make-shift jails. You should search for this.

Azad Khan Afghan was one of them, if Azad Khan came out triumphant in the west, then Iran would have been under an Afghan and not under Qajar Turks.

Hi, can you tell me when the Mongol appellation - Khan - was adopted by the Pathans ?

 

[H. Dawary]

Hi, can you tell me when the Mongol appellation - Khan - was adopted by the Pathans ?

Khan is not Mongol, it is Turkic... It was used by the Seljuks. Some Pashtuns are of Turkic and Iranic origins like the Khilji/Ghilzai confederacy so its natural for them to use Khan.

Sometimes I don't know why I bother...

 

[jamahir]

Khan is not Mongol, it is Turkic... It was used by the Seljuks. Some Pashtuns are of Turkic and Iranic origins like the Khilji/Ghilzai confederacy so its natural for them to use Khan.

Sometimes I don't know why I bother...

So Changez Khan... ?

 

[Naofumi]

I agree, why should he ? But please provide a list of those have questioned the system for rightful reasons. Right from the early 70s. The revolution happened in 1969.

And please don't use the word "Islamist". It is a BBC-coined word for creating disinfo.



Al Qaeda was founded only in 1988. Before that there would have been other counter-revolutionary groups and individuals.

But yes, any innocent person jailed is regrettable. But again, do you have list ?



He was effectively under house arrest for years. If we can speak about Kashmiri leaders being under house arrest why not about Assange ?





The underlined group had its leader in form of Abdulhakim Belhaj whom I mentioned earlier.

As I said, any innocent jailed in Abu Salim is regrettable. But again, the proof of such is lacking.

By the way, during and after the 2011 war, when the NATO-supported NTC ( National Transitional Council ) was taking over, its fighters tortured many Libyans and many Blacks ( for just being Black ) in make-shift jails. You should search for this.



Hi, can you tell me when the Mongol appellation - Khan - was adopted by the Pathans ?

LOL, You're saying whatever the Libyan officials will say is true. Nope, we have established here Libya was a torture-built state with your local committees committing crimes, even Gaddafi admitted - so much democracy. And, no - saying regrettable won't change the fact that those people were murdered.

So Changez Khan... ?

He adopted it from Göktürks.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

How many Afghan Pashtuns agree?

Dehli and West UP will be annexed into Pakistan. InshALLAH