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Hindutva Is Anti-Hinduism ?

Nuri Natt should try for Iranian citizenship and look for genetic therapy to get rid of ASI ancestry. :omghaha::omghaha:

He is already a honorary Persian. In fact they are considering him for the succession of the next Ayatollah. His Turkish ancestry also makes him eligible for position of Turkish PM and his Saudi ancestry makes him eligible for Grand Mufti position. Who knows, with his ANI Russian ancestry, Putin must be cowering in a corner hoping this young Tsar doesn't come to reclaim his throne . He could even be Anastasia in disguise with all that ANI flowing out of his rear :D
 
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Two Nation Theory was formulated because the pure people along the Indus wanted to revert back to Rigvedic Hinduism, which the evil people of the Gangetic belt had corrupted. :whistle:

(But he's right in a way. Eating beef wasn't prohibited in RigVedic times, and the caste system hadn't turned rigid yet)
Nope. Beef was still a taboo. Cow meat at least. The caste system was, as you said - flexible - the way it should be :)
Perhaps thats why Dayanand said - Go back to the Vedas. Pakistanis are Arya Samajis :tup: :omghaha:
 
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He is already a honorary Persian. In fact they are considering him for the succession of the next Ayatollah. His Turkish ancestry also makes him eligible for position of Turkish PM and his Saudi ancestry makes him eligible for Grand Mufti position. Who knows, with his ANI Russian ancestry, Putin must be cowering in a corner hoping this young Tsar doesn't come to reclaim his throne . He could even be Anastasia in disguise with all that ANI flowing out of his rear :D

Are you Parsi Indian? Or its just another hindutva trait of claiming ancestry which they can be proud of?

While pure aryan caucasians will be laughing in their graves looking at aborginals hindus. And souls of cows eaten by aryans will be crying in anguish looking at current day aborginal cow worshipper hindus claiming aryan heritage. :pakistan:

Nope. Beef was still a taboo. Cow meat at least. The caste system was, as you said - flexible - the way it should be :)
Perhaps thats why Dayanand said - Go back to the Vedas. Pakistanis are Arya Samajis :tup: :omghaha:

Bhaiya please stop rewriting history of glorious Aryan race, cow meat being taboo? :rofl:
 
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Are you Parsi Indian? Or its just another hindutva trait of claiming ancestry which they can be proud of?
Bhaiya please stop rewriting history of glorious Aryan race, cow meat being taboo? :rofl:
You confused Arya Samaj with Aryans? :omghaha: :sarcastic:
 
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There are some falsifications that the author has delved into. In any case, since we are talking about Rig Veda, we should be looking into the verses themselves, and not some translation. Not a single verse was quoted! :( Not sure if it is due to ignorance on the author's part or not. Please check here. All the points are refuted in this, quoted directly from the verses themselves. -

The material presented here is based on a thorough and objective analysis of roots of Vedic words, the context in which they appear, Vedic Vocabulary, Philology, Grammar and other tools critical for correct interpretation of the Vedic mantras. Thus this research series does not merely rely on blind reproduction of works of Max Muller, Griffith, Wilson, Williams and other indologists on Vedas and Vedic language. While they are more popular in contemporary western academia, we have objective reasons to conclude that their works are far from authoritative. We shall explore this facet in more detail in this research series.

Welcome to this first part of the research series on critical evaluation of Misconceptions surrounding the Vedas – the first books of knowledge on earth.

For centuries aspersions have been cast upon the Vedas; the primary holy scriptures of the Hindus of having unholy contents. If one really started believing in those aspersions, the entire Hindu philosophy, culture, and traditions would reduce to nothing but savagery, barbarism and cannibalism.

The Vedas – the very roots of Hinduism, rather the first source of knowledge on earth – are meant for guiding the actions of human being in order to lead a blissful life.

This slanderous campaign has been unleashed by different vested interests to embarrass Hindus around the world citing specific references from the Vedas.

This also comes handy in convincing poor and illiterate Indians to give up their faith on the grounds that their fundamental holy books – the Vedas – contain all the inhuman elements like denigration of women, meat-eating, polygamy, casteism and above all – beef eating.

The Vedas are also accused of animal sacrifice in sacrificial ceremonies popularly known as the YAJNA. Interestingly a section of home-bred intellectuals claiming to have deep study of ancient India has also come up, who cite references from works of western indologists to prove such unholy content in the Vedas.

Saying that the Vedas permit beef-eating and cow-slaughter amounts to striking a lethal blow to a Hindu’s soul. Respect for cow forms a core tenet of Hinduism. Once you are able to convince him of flaws in the foundation of this core tenet and make him feel guilty, he becomes an easy prey for the predator faiths. There are millions of ill-informed Hindus who are not empowered to counter argue and hence quietly surrender.

The vested interests that malign the Vedas are not confined to foreign and home-bred indologists alone. A certain class among Hindus exploited the rest of the population including the socially and economically weaker sections by forcing them to believe and follow what they said in the name of Vedas or else face the wrath.

All the slanders heaped upon the Vedas can be attributed mainly to the interpretations of commentaries written by Mahidhar, Uvat and Saayan in the medieval times; and to what Vam-margis or the Tantra cult propagated in their books in the name of the Vedas.

In due course the falsehood spread far and wide and they became even more deep rooted when western scholars with their half baked knowledge of Sanskrit transliterated these interpretations of commentaries of Sayan and Mahidhar, in the name of translating the Vedas.

However, they lacked the pre-requisite understanding of Shiksha (Phonetics), Vyakarana (Grammar), Nirukta (Philology), Nighantu (Vocabulary), Chhanda (Prosody), Jyotish (Astronomy), Kalpa and so on that are critical for correct interpretation of the Vedas.

The purpose behind Agniveer movement is to objectively evaluate all such misconceptions about the Vedas – the foundation of human knowledge and establish their piety, sanctity, great ideals and philosophy that cater not only to Hindus but to every human being without bars, bias or discrimination of any kind.

Section 1: No violence against animals
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Yasmintsarvaani bhutaanyaatmaivaabhuudvijaanatah
Tatra ko mohah kah shokah ekatvamanupasyatah
Yajurveda 40.7

“Those who see all beings as souls do not feel infatuation or anguish at their sight, for they experience oneness with them”.
How could people who believed in the doctrines of indestructibility, transmigration dare to kill living animals in yajnas? They might be seeing the souls of their own near and dear ones of bygone days residing in those living beings.
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Anumantaa vishasitaa nihantaa krayavikrayee
Samskartaa chopahartaa cha khadakashcheti ghaatakaah
Manusmrithi 5.51Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that
meat and those who eat are all murderers.
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Breehimattam yavamattamatho maashamatho tilam
Esha vaam bhaago nihito ratnadheyaaya dantau maa hinsishtam pitaram maataram cha
Atharvaveda 6.140.2

O teeth! You eat rice, you eat barley, you gram and you eat sesame. These cereals are specifically meant for you. Do not kill those who are capable of being fathers and mothers.
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Ya aamam maansamadanti paurusheyam cha ye kravih
Garbhaan khaadanti keshavaastaanito naashayaamasi
Atharvaveda 8.6.23
We ought to destroy those who eat cooked as well as uncooked meat, meat involving destruction of males and females, foetus and eggs.
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Anago hatya vai bheema kritye
Maa no gaamashvam purusham vadheeh
Atharvaveda 10.1.29
It is definitely a great sin to kill innocents. Do not kill our cows, horses and people.

How could there be justification of cow and other animals being killed when killing is so clearly prohibited in the Vedas?
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Aghnyaa yajamaanasya pashoonpahi
Yajurveda 1.1

“O human! animals are Aghnya – not to be killed. Protect the animals”
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Pashunstraayethaam
Yajurveda 6.11

Protect the animals.
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Dwipaadava Chatushpaatpaahi
Yajurveda 14.8

Protect the bipeds and quadrupeds!
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Kravy da –kravya[ meat obtained from slaughter] + Ada [ the eater]—the meat eater.

Pisacha — pisita [meat] +asa [eater]—the meat eater.

Asutrpa — Asu [breath of life] + trpa [one who satisfies himself on]—one who takes others life for his meals.

Garba da and Anda da – the foetus and egg eaters.

Mans da – the meat eaters

Meat eaters have always been looked down in Vedic literature. They have been known as Rakshasas, Pisacha and so on….All these words are synonyms of demons or devils that have been out-cast from the civilized human society.
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Urjam no dhehi dwipade chatushpade
Yajurveda 11.83

“May all bipeds and quadrupeds gain strength and nourishment”

This mantra is recited by Hindus before every meal. How could the same philosophy which prays for well-being of every soul in every moment of life, approve of killing animals?
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Section 2: No violence in Yajna
Yajna never meant animal sacrifice in the sense popularly understood. Yajna in the Vedas meant a noble deed or the highest purifying action.

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Adhvara iti Yajnanaama – Dhvaratihimsaakarmaa tatpratishedhah
Nirukta 2.7

According to Yaaska Acharya, one of the synonyms of Yajna in Nirukta or the Vedic philology is Adhvara.

Dhvara means an act with himsa or violence. And therefore a-dhvara means an act involving no himsa or no violence. There are a large number of such usage of Adhvara in the Vedas.
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In the post-Mahabharata period, misinterpretation of the Vedas and interpolations in other scriptures took place at various points intime. Acharya Shankar reestablished the Vedic values to an extent.

In the more recent times, Swami Dayanand Saraswati – known as the grandfather of modern India – interpreted the Vedas as per thecorrect rules of the language and authentic evidences. His literature, which includes commentary on the Vedas, Satyarth Prakash loosely translated as Light of Truth, An Introduction to the Vedas and other texts led to widespread social reformation based on Vedic philosophy and dispelling of myths surrounding the Vedas.

Let us discover what the Vedas have to say on Yajna.

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Agne yam yagnamadhvaram vishwatah pari bhuurasi
Sa id deveshu gacchati
Rigveda 1.1.4

O lord of effulgence! The non-violent Yajna, you prescribe from all sides, is beneficial for all, touches divine proportions and is accepted by noble souls.
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The Rigveda describes Yajna as Adhvara or non violent throughout. Same is the case with all the other Vedas. How can it be then concluded that the Vedas permit violence or slaughter of animals?

The biggest accusation of cattle and cow slaughter comes in the context of the Yajnas that derived their names from different cattle like the Ashwamedh Yajna, the Gomedha Yajna and the Nar-medh Yajna. Even by the wildest stretch of the imagination the word Medha would not mean slaughter in this context.

It’s interesting to note what Yajurveda says about a horse
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Imam ma himsirekashafam pashum kanikradam vaajinam vaajineshu
Yajurveda 13.48

Do not slaughter this one hoofed animal that neighs and who goes with a speed faster than most of the animals.
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Aswamedha does not mean horse sacrifice at Yajna. Instead the Yajurveda clearly mentions that a horse ought not to be slaughtered.

In Shathapatha, Ashwa is a word for the nation or empire

The word medha does not mean slaughter. It denotes an act done in accordance to the intellect Alternatively it could mean consolidation, as evident from the root meaning of medha i.e. medhru san-ga-me

Raashtram vaa ashwamedhah
Annam hi gau
Agnirvaa ashwah
Aajyam medhah
(Shatpath 13.1.6.3)

Swami Dayananda Saraswati wrote in his Light of Truth:

A Yajna dedicated to the glory, wellbeing and prosperity of the Rashtra the nation or empire is known as the Ashwamedh yajna.

“To keep the food pure or to keep the senses under control, or to make the food pure or to make a good use of the rays of Sun or keep the earth free from impurities[clean] is called Gomedha Yajna”.

“The word Gau also means the Earth and the yajna dedicated to keep the Earth the environment clean is called Gomedha Yajna”

“The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna”.
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Section 3: No beef in Vedas
Not only the Vedas are against animal slaughter but also vehemently oppose and prohibit cow slaughter.Yajurveda forbids killing of cows, for they provide energizing food for human beings

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Ghrtam duhaanaamaditim janaayaagne maa himsiheeh
Yajurveda 13.49

Do not kill cows and bulls who always deserve to be protected.

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Aare gohaa nrhaa vadho vo astu
Rigveda 7.56.17

In Rigveda cow slaughter has been declared a heinous crime equivalent to human murder and it has been said that those who commits this crime should be punished.
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Sooyavasaad bhagavatee hi bhooyaa atho vayam bhagvantah syaama
Addhi trnamaghnye vishwadaaneem piba shuddhamudakamaacharantee
Rigveda 1.164.40 or Atharv 7.73.11 or Atharv 9.10.20

The Aghnya cows – which are not to be killed under any circumstances– may keep themselves healthy by use of pure water and green grass, so that we may be endowed with virtues, knowledge and wealth.

—————————————The Vedic Lexicon, Nighantu, gives amongst other synonyms of Gau[ or cow] the words Aghnya. Ahi, and Aditi. Yaska the commentator on Nighantu, defines these as-
Aghnya the one that ought not to be killed
Ahi the one that must not be slaughtered.
Aditi the one that ought not to be cut into pieces.

These three names of cow signify that the animal ought not to be put to tortures. These words appear frequently throughout the Vedas in context of the cow.

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Aghnyeyam saa vardhataam mahate soubhagaaya

Rigveda 1.164.27Cow – The aghnya – brings us health and prosperity

Suprapaanam Bhavatvaghnyaayaah
Rigveda 5.83.8There should be excellent facility for pure water for Aghnya Cow


Yah paurusheyena kravishaa samankte yo ashwena pashunaa yaatudhaanah


Yo aghnyaayaa bharati ksheeramagne teshaam sheershaani harasaapi vrishcha
Rigveda 10.87.16

Those who feed on human, horse or animal flesh and those who destroy milk-giving Aghnya cows should be severely punished.

Vimucchyadhvamaghnyaa devayaanaa aganma
Yajurveda 12.73The Aghnya cows and bulls bring you prosperity

Maa gaamanaagaamaditim vadhishta
Rigveda 8.101.15Do not kill the cow. Cow is innocent and aditi – that ought not to be cut into pieces

Antakaaya goghaatam
Yajurveda 30.18
Destroy those who kill cows


Yadi no gaam hansi yadyashwam yadi poorusham
Tam tvaa seesena vidhyaamo yatha no so aveeraha
Atharvaveda 1.16.4

If someone destroys our cows, horses or people, kill him with a bullet of lead.

Vatsam jaatamivaaghnyaa
Atharvaveda 3.30.1
Love each other as the Aghnya – non-killable cow – loves its calf

Dhenu sadanam rayeenaam
Atharvaveda 11.1.34
Cow is fountainhead of all bounties

The entire 28th Sukta or Hymn of 6th Mandal of Rigveda sings the glory of cow.
Aa gaavo agnamannuta bhadramakrantseedantu

Bhooyobhooyo rayimidasya vardhayannabhinne

Na taa nashanti na dabhaati taskaro naasaamamitro vyathiraa dadharshati

Na taa arvaa renukakaato ashnute na samskritramupa yanti taa abhi

Gaavo bhago gaava indro me achhaan

Yooyam gaavo medayathaa

Maa vah stena eeshata maaghanshasah

1. Everyone should ensure that cows are free from miseries and kept healthy.
2. God blesses those who take care of cows.
3. Even the enemies should not use any weapon on cows
4. No one should slaughter the cow
5. Cow brings prosperity and strength

6. If cows keep healthy and happy, men and women shall also keep disease free and prosperous

7. May the cow eat green grass and pure water. May they not be killed and bring prosperity to us.

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What more proofs does one need to understand the high esteem in whichnot only the cow but each living being is held in the Vedas.

The learned audience can decide for themselves from these evidences that the Vedas are completely against any inhuman practice… to top it all the Beef and Cow slaughter.

There is no Beef in Vedas.
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Bibliography:

1. Rigveda Bhashya – Commentary on Rigveda by Swami Dayanand Saraswati

2. Yajurveda Bhashya – Commentary on Yajurveda by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
3. No Beef in Vedas by BD Ukhul

4. Vedon ka Yatharth Swaroop (True nature of Vedas) by Pt Dharmadeva Vidyavachaspati
5. All 4 Veda Samhita by Pt Damodar Satvalekar

6. Pracheen Bharat me Gomamsa – Ek Sameeksha (Beef in Ancient India – an analysis) by Geeta Press, Gorakhpur
7. The Myth of Holy Cow – by DN Jha
8. Hymns of Atharvaveda – Griffith
9. Scared Books of the east – Max Muller
10. Rigveda translations by Williams/Jones
11. Sanskrit English Dictionary – Monier Williams
12. Commentary on Vedas by Dayanand Sansthan
13. Western Indologists – a study of motives by Pt Bhagvadutt
14. Satyarth Prakash by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
15. Introduction to Vedas by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
16. Cloud over understanding of Vedas by BD Ukhul
17. Shathpath Brahman
18. Nirukta – Yaska Acharya
19. Dhatupath – Panini
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Addendum on 14 April 2010:
A typical example of foul play by those hell-bent on justifying their obsession with beef in ancient texts, is to translate Mansa as ‘meat’. In reality, ‘Mansa’ is a generic word used to denote pulp. Meat is called ‘Mansa’ because it is pulpy. So mere presence of ‘Mansa’ does not mean it refers to meat.

With regards to Vedas, they could come up with two mantras that supposedly justify beef eating. Let us evaluate them:

Claim: Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
Fact: The mantra states that in winter, the rays of sun get weakened and then get strong again in spring. The word used for sun-rays in ‘Go’ which also means cow and hence the mantra can also be translated by making ‘cow’ and not ‘sun-rays’ as the subject. The word used for ‘weakened’ is ‘Hanyate’ which can also mean killing. But if that be so, why would the mantra go further and state in next line (which is deliberately not translated) that in spring, they start regaining their original form.

How can a cow killed in winter regain its health in spring? This amply proves how ignorant and biased communists malign Vedas.
Claim: Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”

Fact: The mantra states that brilliant scholars enlighten the world in the manner that wood enhances the fire of Yajna. I fail to understand from where did Avtar Gill and his friends discover Indra, cow, calf, horse and buffalo in this mantra!

In summary, I continue the challenge to everyone – cite one single mantra from Vedas that justify beef-eating and I shall be eager to embrace any faith that he or she may decide for me. If not, they should agree to revert back to the Vedas.

Source Agniveer


What Arya Samaj? WTF is that? Another new religion?
You are cute :tup:
 
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@SarthakGanguly The pdf that I had cited provides references to larger works from which it has been collated. However, the fundamental difference that I've noticed is that a number of translations by earlier philologists and Indologists are now being disputed(which is good). A scrutiny of earlier works is necessary since they're now considered classics and have percolated into every level of scholarly research and reference.
 
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@SarthakGanguly The pdf that I had cited provides references to larger works from which it has been collated. However, the fundamental difference that I've noticed is that a number of translations by earlier philologists and Indologists are now being disputed(which is good). A scrutiny of earlier works is necessary since they're now considered classics and have percolated into every level of scholarly research and reference.
True - but the translation of the works has been refuted. If you read the entire PDF you will understand the contradictions in it as well. The piece lost me in the middle. :sarcastic: But beef eating was not encouraged at all in the Rig Veda. :enjoy:

Beef eating's relevance however is not going to give me a headache :D It's not beneficial, and I won't have it personally(veggie), that's all. Besides, I am all for animal rights (more than Human rights, I believe animals to be better than humans) For me the existing caste differences is the only problem. :(
 
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True - but the translation of the works has been refuted. If you read the entire PDF you will understand the contradictions in it as well. The piece lost me in the middle. :sarcastic: But beef eating was not encouraged at all in the Rig Veda. :enjoy:

Beef eating's relevance however is not going to give me a headache :D It's not beneficial, and I won't have it personally(veggie), that's all. Besides, I am all for animal rights (more than Human rights, I believe animals to be better than humans) For me the existing caste differences is the only problem. :(

You silly boy! Animals have no rights. They were created by God as food for Humans. God created us in his image, and thinking that Man has to earn his food through hard work, he created hardy, dumb animals. A good hunt will help you remember God much better for the bounty and skills that he has provided you.:D
 
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You silly boy! Animals have no rights. They were created by God as food for Humans. God created us in his image, and thinking that Man has to earn his food through hard work, he created hardy, dumb animals. A good hunt will help you remember God much better for the bounty and skills that he has provided you.:D
Umm okay :unsure:
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Were pure Aryans into terrorism? There is not much clarity on that, unfortunately.
Aryan used to believe in peace for all. look at my signature!

Hardly, Rig Veda is pure. While Aryans had to create racist caste system for aborginals of Ganga India. Difference between racist caste system and others? In other anyone can become anything he likes.

"Prof Malti G Shengde in her book “The Civilized Demons” quotes the impression of a Brahmin who visited the land of five rivers “having become Brahmins ones, a Balhika becomes Ksatriya, then (he became) Vaisya, Sudra and even a barber. Having become barber, he again became Brahmin and having become a twice-born, he became a Dasa. In the same family one became Brahmin and the rest followed other professions”"

thanks for the comic relief .. now read this :

now tell us why u dont follow the traditions of home ( pakistan) grown Aryan traditions .. rather than following an alien Arab based religion!
 
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RSS values drive Hindutva. Hindutva means Bharat, the land of Rishi-Munis the land of Aryans where foreign religions have no place. the Christians and Muslims have two choices: Embrace Hinduism by a purification ritual done at Arya Samaja. Else, be prepared to face attacks and mass genocide. Chaddi brigage will organize mass Hindu conversions once Ideal Bharat(Hindu Rashtra) will be established toppling Adharmic Democracy. because, Hindutva nationalists just like Islamists believe we are the "righteous, pious" believers who are always correct. Hindu natioanlist will topple Democracy and RSS will finally lead India to be a religious country for Hindus. Islami Isaayi Adharmiyon ko Sabak Sikhayenge..Hamari RSS karyakarta Masjidon aur Girjakharon ko Mandir banaega..Modi ko aane do. - this is Hindutva. a copy cat of Islamic invaders mercilessness, Hitlers, Mussolini's fascist agenda. mass genocide of Muslims and Christians are a part of it's agenda. Sakha classes brainwashes even the educated, in their minds they are blood thirsty terrorists.
the "pious" Hindu nationalists and their real agenda:
"Abrahami Adharmiyon ke Khoon se is Punya pavan dharti ko laal banaega" "Jo zulm in Islami Isaayi darindon ne 100-500 saal pehle kiya usko hum Sanghiparivar badla leinge" "Hindustan Hinduo ke liye"

dissolving native faiths like Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism as part of Hinduism is another agenda. Sikhs especially seems to know this Agenda. . Modi is supported not for development, but for punishing Muslims and Christians. brainwashed generations wants to take Badla against Muslims for what invaders from central Asia did to present northern India. RSS is very active in this regard.
To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.

The ultimate vision of our work … is a perfectly organised state of society wherein each individual has been moulded into a model of ideal Hindu manhood and made into a living limb of the corporate personality of society.

– Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar, RSS supreme chief
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